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Regarding "pay the artists what they deserve:" I always want to know when people think artists had it easier or better than today. There are problems to solve, but to some extent the life of an artist--any artist who isn't one of the big 1,000 or so per genre--has always been hard, they have never made much money, and they won't start doing so now. We probably don't *need* millions of bedroom producers or singer-songwriters, and I don't understand how they're going to get paid a living wage when there's a glut of music to enjoy already. Just toss supply and demand out the window? Subsidize them with...some kind of magical money from somewhere? Streaming has, by and large, been great for artists relative to the way things worked in any prior era.
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2024-05-06
> Unchecked capitalism This is just regular capitalism...capitalism consolidates power and that power is used to deregulate. That IS capitalism. At least some of yall are finally waking up.
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2024-05-06
it's just a better app. Even on Android. Apple designed the Apple Music app to follow the Android design guidelines better than Google does. It's actually pathetic how much better apple music is on android than youtube and spotify.
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2024-05-06
Except their net income has them losing money
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2024-05-06
Because we, the users of streaming music services chose ease of use rather than buy the actual media.
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2024-05-06
Not sure about the zero profit part, but I *am* sure that a fair amount of redditors (most of whom probably haven't been out of high school for more than five years) think capitalism *itself* is evil.
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2024-05-06
Own an android device!
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2024-05-06
YouTube and apple music both have better discovery algorithms and YouTube supports small artists way better. YT also will help you discover small artists way easier than Spotify.
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2024-05-06
They also pay artists like shit. Unless you're bringing in hundreds of thousands to millions of listeners, you basically make nothing on Spotify.
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2024-05-06
Sonys LDAC codec is baked into android. Any Bluetooth headphone that supports LDAC would work. All I hear is justification of paying more for less.  Do you think there is no difference between a 4K Blu-ray and the same movie in 4K on Netflix?
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2024-05-06
It's not particularly difficult to get Spotify for free, so I'm not sure why you think OP would lie about it.
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2024-05-06
Spotify in my opinion is the best music software BY FAR. Outside of the shuffle being repetitive if you don’t actively add new tracks there is no company out there that is even close. Youtube music, Apple, Tidal, etc etc etc that are all dogshit in comparison and people in here pretending that their preferred music app has even half of the features spotify have are absolutely kidding themselves. Show me ONE app that allows me to control my computer from my phone, host a group playlist where my friends across the country can add tracks, have a local jam where people in your house can add tracks on your network, have lyrics integrated, allows you to give the reigns to an ai DJ, etc. This is entire thread is a complete circle jerk
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2024-05-06
Support your local KKK homie
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2024-05-06
Pretty sure your orderly is looking for you
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2024-05-06
Go ahead and try
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2024-05-06
Too bad Spotify isn't incredibly easy to jailbreak...
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2024-05-06
> The chase for endless profits means at some point every platform will be like this. Not if they stay private companies. If one decided that making profits alone, basic business, is good enough for them instead of constantly fighting nonstop for eternity to constantly grow more for shareholders' gains...there could be a chance. But they'd never get there in the first place without all the VC money propping them up until they went public. God I hate late stage capitalism.
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2024-05-06
Plus playing songs that pay spotify to get heard.
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2024-05-06
I think investors are probably happy that Spotify just had a profitable quarter for the first time in its over 15 year history. I don't like Spotify and don't use it for other reasons, but how quickly people forget that music was once difficult and expensive to enjoy. The degree of access and selection today is outrageous if you are an older music head like me. The bitterness is astonishing, you are so spoiled today you want access to everything for free.
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2024-05-06
Youtube music.
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2024-05-06
“I will pay more for less because I don’t know the difference or I don’t have the equipment or I don’t know what equipment I need. 
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2024-05-06
Last year, they were paying the lowest percentage to artists out of the big 3. What changed?
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2024-05-06
I'm going back to Napster.
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2024-05-06
I'm so old... I'm still over here sailing the high seas. I never got into music streaming and probably never will. what made me hate Spotify and other similar platforms was this one experience I had. I had a 30 day trial, seemed sweet, no issues. one day I look up a song from Ice Cube or maybe it was NWA and it showed the artist but all their songs were greyed out and said some shit like "not available in your country". that was it. fucked them and fuck bullshit like that. I'll stick to my ancient iTunes library and MusicBee when syncing songs/playlists to my android phone
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2024-05-06
The money goes to the studio first because they own the recording and song rights. The artist earns a residual set by law, but they would earn more if they owned the rights to their own music. For most artists, they allow that to go the label when they sign a record deal.
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2024-05-06
I am one of those artists and I was making the opposite point. I think the deal the labels cut with Spotify years ago where they got equity in place of royalties was a horrendous move for all of us that make money from music. Spotify has a lot to be criticized for, we agree on that. But saying they're screwing you seems a bit much given that you have nearly the entire music catalog of the human race. Im going to ignore the entitled comment, I'm not sure you know what that word means
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2024-05-06
Apple Music is essentially a loss leader in furtherance of the almighty Ecosystem™.
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2024-05-06
[https://imgur.com/JkC6yfD](https://imgur.com/JkC6yfD)
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2024-05-06
I feel the same 👍
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2024-05-06
If you're after a meandering DJ, try SoundCloud. It's been my daily go-to for years. Just play something I like and let it go from there, always interesting stuff
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2024-05-06
I'd also check out Playlisty, which is often recommended by the folks over in /r/AppleMusic
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2024-05-06
> If they didn't lure them in with exclusivity deals, someone else would have. Would they though? Music streaming wasn't about exclusives until Spotify did it. It defeated the whole point of music streaming: having all your music to listen to.
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2024-05-06
Spotify does not suck. It's a one stop shop for all my music, the vast majority of artists are on there (even small indy artists), it's available across every device I own, it supports offline playback (so I can use it when without internet access), and the monthly fee is more than reasonable for the convenience.  Previously I would buy physical albums and have to transfer the files to each of my devices manually every time I bought a new album. I wanted a different solution.  If we lose Spotify as it is now we'll all end up paying more across multiple services for their own 'exclusive content', and artists will still get the shit end of the stick.  I wish we have an equivalent in the TV/Film market (oh wait... We did, it was called Netflix circa 2012).
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2024-05-06
The three big media companies, Sony, Warner, and Universal, who own most of the rights to popular music, made a deal to own a big chunk of Spotify in order to allow their music catalogs on there. It is in their interest for Spotify to be super shitty in any way that makes the stock price go up and for the company to issue dividends because they don't have to share that money with anyone.
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2024-05-06
Let's just say your info might be slightly out of date. Most musicians on streamers own their work. That goes for Swift and the lowest Joe Wannabe. There wouldn't be complaints from musicians if the royalties were paid to the publishers.
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2024-05-06
Yes directly or Plex does let you cache content on your phone and then from their play from the phone to whatever speaker you want. 
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2024-05-06
+1 for pandora!
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2024-05-06
Dude sssshhhhhhhhhh. Don't make them look at us.
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2024-05-06
We all know Spotify's end goal is to print AI music that is trash but gives them copyright/ royalty over it so they don't have to pay the big companies fees anymore. I hate their podcast stuff, I hate their audiobook stuff, all i want is the music, just keep focusing on that. They are pushing the line I have yt music and also apple music thanks to cell phone company/ family and I am ready to just stop using spotify its not worth it.
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2024-05-06
BBC is free
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2024-05-06
Spotify doesn’t make any money right now. I don’t under what people expect. Did they think they would keep providing services at a loss forever?
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2024-05-06
Moved to Tidal. Same shit but less expensive, better quality and at least they pay musicians a bit more. Still peanuts but a bit more 
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2024-05-06
I feel old, I used to drop like a hundred bucks a month on CDs so I’m still pretty thrilled to have access to the entirety of music for less than $20 a month lol
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2024-05-06
Yes sure I’ll rephrase. If you’re just some Joe Schmo who can only sing then you’ll probably need a studio. But the tools are there for those who want to invest some time. Logic has all the loops you need to throw something together. All you need is a $100 interface and a $50 mic. If you insist of having real session musicians then that’s a whole other ballgame. But I’d argue that that’s completely separate from a record label. Studios exist and will continue to exist (rightfully so) for the foreseeable future. Record companies today are just glorified advertising agencies. You pay for the privilege of having someone who has the ability to email other people who might be able to put your music on a playlist or to play a venue. And that all might still be an important aspect to be a modern artist, but 70% of your profits important?? Plenty of artists today have proven that it’s possible to be completely independent from start to finish. Labels don’t have the appeal they used to. No one gives a fuck what label you’re on. They’re a dime a dozen now days.
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2024-05-06
On the cusp I guess, early-mid 90s. I remember building a small cd collection when I was like 10. Then I got a 64mb mp3 player - it was basically a USB stick that played audio. It held like 13 songs but it changed everything.
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2024-05-06
it’s apple music and it’s great
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2024-05-06
I did the free trial of Tidal, mostly I liked that the app was snappy and loaded instantly, unlike Spotify that sometimes seems to just hang with a black screen for no reason.
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2024-05-06
> 20th and 21st century pop music has never been government funded. I'm not referring to pop music at all though? Pop music didn't need grants, that was kind of the whole point, it was commercially successful already. Who is talking about pop music here? Spotify has all sorts of music. Also yes the government used to and DOES (although less often) directly fund arts. There IS an arts program. What you're saying is utterly false. It's not a welfare program. > https://www.arts.gov/grants
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2024-05-06
Lol what a coincidence. I canceled my spotify yesterday because they're fucking awful and on top of that raised their prices. Fuck you Spotify!
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2024-05-06
I was thinking about it until I read here that it doesn't work for shit on smart speakers, and doesn't work for shit on Android Auto. Whereas spotify is seamless on both.
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2024-05-06
No it isn't. A generation of economists have persuaded us all that profit and stock price is all that matters. Fuck Milton Friedman and all his followers - especially the lawmakers and judges who have bent society that way like a fucking Overton Window for economics.
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2024-05-06
I will DELETE eight now. No lie.
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2024-05-06
100%. You had my upvote before I even made my dumb comment.
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2024-05-06
Why? I never had a problem with Spotify. Have used it for a decade without issues. Where does this sudden hate come from for a platform that already operates at a loss? The price is still absurdly cheap for what you get.
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2024-05-06
Bullshit, it's easier than ever to be a band thanks to things like Spotify.
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2024-05-06
How I look at it is as a kid, I knew a pretty limited number of bands, and even though my dad had shelves and shelves of CDs, it was usually multiple CDs of the same popular bands. We’d listen to the same 4 or 5 CDs in the car for years on end. Now compare that to my saved songs on Spotify. Sure I have my favorites where I have 50+ songs saved from the same artist, but I also have songs from hundreds of other artists, many of them well below 1m monthly listeners. The difference in exposure is night and day. Musicians are likely underpaid, no doubt, but the sheer number of people that are able to “make it” as a musician has absolutely never been higher than it is today, and cheap streaming services, and even things like TikTok, are a huge factor in why.
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2024-05-06
I remember what we had before and I've also tried every other alternative currently available I'll stick with Spotify thanks
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2024-05-06
Fun fact : you can download all the music you do OWN to your phone or other device and guess what? MAKE YOUR OWN PLAYLIST. there's more! NO ADS. NO LIMITS ON HOW MANY TIMES YOU PLAY 1 SONG. Or... Keep paying someone else to LET you listen to your music.
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2024-05-06
No, but they have to pay out royalties for every song they stream, not to mention the cloud hosting costs Just because it's digital doesn't mean it's free to provide.
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2024-05-06
So literally every job and industry. The stock market is a fucking curse on society.
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2024-05-06
It's literally not true. And that's not even how it works. Spotify doesn't charge anyone to upload music, it goes through distribution platforms.
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2024-05-06
*Cough* Google xmanager and blockthespot *Cough*
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2024-05-06
Once it hits $12.99 I'm switching to YouTube Premium since at that price point it'll be a better value. Unlimited music just like Spotify but also ad-free youtube.
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2024-05-06
What is enough though? Spotify’s revenue is like $15 billion. Royalties to artists are minimal. So most of the money is being soaked up by record companies that are adding what value exactly?
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2024-05-06
It literally can't help the artist. There's too many people using Spotify, and too many artists. An app at Spotify's size will never be able to pay the artists properly and that's not where the money for artists is coming from anyway.
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2024-05-06
* Literally just buying CDs. I still rock a maxed out 32GB iPod where 99% of the music on it was ripped from CDs. That's about 2700 songs. My library is pushing 4000. Looking into getting a 256GB 7th gen and virtually never running out of room. Costs me $0 to listen to an album I bought 5 years ago. Cancelling Spotify was a no-brainer.
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2024-05-06
really? and I repeatedly thought "boy the music quality on youtube is awful compared to CD rips, it's all so flat"
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2024-05-06
This. And a lot of those artists I ended up seeing in concert, bought merch etc. that I wouldn't otherwise have.
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2024-05-06
It's the worst piece of software I regularly interact with. I can't believe how terrible the user experience is.
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2024-05-06
meanwhile, I still run Winamp (now WACUP) with my old MP3 library
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2024-05-06
Do you even have a point?
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2024-05-06
audiophiles hate that the general public truly does not care about fidelity lol
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2024-05-06
lol it is not legal pirating, don't be silly Artists can make money by touring, selling merch, doing shows - you know, just like the good old days Shit, they can even sell vinyls in person if they really want
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2024-05-06
Self hosted is my solution
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2024-05-06
Yeah, no. I work in the industry and look at streaming data regularly. You're getting cute with semantics. If by most you mean the 80% of streamers on bedroom labels that are lucky to break 1000 streams per month, then sure. The musicians that anyone actually listens to have major label deals, and the vast majority of those are heavily tilted in favor of the label. An indie artist breaking through to get mainstream success is incredibly rare.
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2024-05-06
> They don’t pass any of those profits on to the musicians though. do you understand how profits work? the money that gets passed on to musicians - those would be _costs_ - profit is what is left over _after you have spent money on your costs_ I know we don't really teach basic financial literacy in schools, but I mean really.... > ...that means the billions they make in subs every month is going to someone’s yacht fund per the OP's point about almost never ever actually ever _making a profit_ - for most of the time they have been a thing that exists in the world, ALL of those billions they make (and more) _were spent on their costs_ - that means artists, musicians, devs, etc...
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2024-05-06
We've been brainwashed by capitalism. A healthy or even thriving artist/artisan class is the normal state of affairs for human society. Capitalism created the entertainment industry and starved artists who would be otherwise doing fine
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2024-05-06
ads don't pay out nearly as much as people think. There's a reason youtube is going nuts with them and they're getting invasive with mid-video ads. Do you really think youtube sits there and goes: "Hmmm, how do we make this the worst possible experience for everyone?" Because they don't. It's more "How do we edge as close to the line of making enough from ads to support this platform without too many users leaving entirely?" Also, before the "well youtube has to deal with adblock" thing, that works on spotify browser version too.
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2024-05-06
it might be, but spotify is even worse
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2024-05-06
They spent 30 years telling us we were killing the music industry. First it was people taping songs off the radio. Then we were destroying the industry by buying bootlegs. Then we were destroying it by burning CDs. Then it was downloading mp3s. Then some techbro came along and said he wanted to offer free music to everyone while paying a negligible amount to artists and the record companies loved the idea. Now we have an industry where it's almost impossible as an artist to make money releasing music and concert prices are high enough to price out most people.
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2024-05-06
Tidal also gives a lot more of the money to artists than Spotify does
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2024-05-06
I left Spotify years ago, love Apple Music so far!
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2024-05-06
Y’all are spoiled as fuck lmao try telling someone in 2000 you can pay the price of a single CD for, essentially, the entire universe of music on-demand and in your pockets
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2024-05-06
For a billion dollar company their app and software is a steaming pile of shit, built on the foundations of piss They don't even have 2FA for users (only artists)
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2024-05-06
Spotify is still outstanding value as a consumer. Currently paying AU$18 for a Duo account between my partner and I and we get free unlimited music, podcasts and a good chunk of time for audiobooks. It is extremely easy to use and everyone else is on it so it's easy to share songs and playlists when needed. It has also helped me discover so many artists I otherwise never would have. It is genuinely excellent value for money *if you use it*. It's poo as a musician, but I do need to acknowledge it's a great service and *without* Spotify I don't know how I'd have gotten people to actually listen to my songs. Good luck getting people to drop $15 - 20 on an album these days.
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2024-05-06
Spotify is a Swedish company.
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2024-05-06
Snoop has said he had like a billion streams and got paid $50k
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2024-05-06
Tidal. Go trial now. I'm 100% converted, have been for almost a year now. I don't miss Spotify at all.
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2024-05-06
Can I find everything on tidal? I’m ready to make a switch. Fuck these price gougers
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2024-05-06
I just moved the whole family to Apple One. Speaking with my wallet.
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2024-05-06
For real. I commect my subscription to the economist and I enjoy everything they have to offer. $1 is nothing. Let's riot at 14
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2024-05-06
Say 12 tracks per album, 4000 songs = 333 albums Say $10/album = $3,330 With Spotify at $12/mo = 23 years of Spotify $3,330 can hypothetically give you ~333 albums, or 23 years of virtually every album known to man
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2024-05-06
I’m in full support of what you’re doing and in no way attempting to play devils advocate, but how much do you think you spent on those CDs? Or maybe you’re a pirate?
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2024-05-06
Yeah, not even a competition, even more than a decade later. Truly a thread worth the stupid sub it is posted in.
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2024-05-06
Why don't people.just use YouTube premium? Serious question.
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2024-05-06
I use free Spotify...what's closest in functionality  Screen off playback Casting Minimal ads Playlists and favs Podcasts
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2024-05-06
an individual boycott doesn't matter. But also, in order for a boycott to be successful you need the people that *literally don't care about it* to be on board- which means you need an alternative that supplies the same service *at least* just as conveniently.
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2024-05-06
Nothing in the history of recording or music in general has ever benefited the artist...
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2024-05-06
Really? Gross profit? That is absolutely meaningless. What about the net profit? Edit: so in 2023 the net income was -532 million euros. No, Spotify isn't making any profits here
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2024-05-06
> Spotify will destroy itself through prioritizing the pursuit of profit over all other considerations just like everything else in late stage capitalism. Let me know what you need clarified.
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