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It's more of a collateral damage button that's labeled "Oct 7, Human Shields, Profit". | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
And it's almost like you're spouting complete trash without references to back it up. Please educate yourself before coming back. It's exhausting dealing with people like you | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Sadly you are right. Israel doesn't help itself with its hard right leadership saying stupid stuff all the time, but Hamas just flat out lies and they get rewarded for it in the west. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
It's the totally legit HeAlth. MAniStry. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
And there's that TikTok Hamas propaganda brain rot I love so much. Why don't you go to Gaza and really show your support. I'm sure they'd love to have you over there | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Hamas, sweetie | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
I notice nobody blaming Israel’s very existence seems very upset about Jordan being created in 1946 by the same European partitioners who created this new Arab kingdom by dividing “TransJordan” into “Jordan” and “Palestine” then plopping a little crown made using tin snips and an empty soup can atop the Arab king’s head.
In fact, the very same Arab king who joined with the British Army to drive the Jews from Palestine and subsequently lost the war they started, even with British help. So, Jordan gets its own new nation but not Israel? Did the nation-building game of musical chairs end in 1946 or some shit?
It was Jordan who initially annexed the West Bank by force, not Israel. The descendants of Arabs who stayed in Israel today live there as citizens. The ones who took the lousy Arab advice and fled Palestine are on generation four of being eternal “refugees”, even if their families have been living in Toronto Canada since 1882. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
So not a terrorist state? That's awesome! So why are you supporting terrorists? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
I think it's also because "children" includes everyone under 18, at least some might actually be fighters, and Gaza is disproportionately young due to population-increase as a strategy. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
No, sweetie, Hamas are the terrorists. It's important to get it right | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
October 7 happened because of evil terrorists. And since you're clearly confused about who they are, that's Hamas | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Good catch, got confused in my irritation thx! | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
With amount of UN staff being found complicit in HAMASs behavior and actions, I wouldnt be surprised if Iran has successfully conducted the most brazen espionage of all time.
Theyre human rights Council leaders, yet have little to no human rights in their country.
Now their proxy is attacking and has mass murdered many of another country yet only one side if being criticized for their behavior. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Thanks, seeing an AP article on it is more confirming than the "times of Israel" | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
The report is from the Associated Press. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
No, they actually don't. That is why I stressed very hard the fact that the information must be taken ***in context.***
The first article actually says the explicit opposite because it is dealing with the physics of explosives.. rather detailed physics in fact. It is one of the rare documents where they discuss rebound effects etc.
The second **clearly says** in its conclusion that mortality rates are likely *biased* as reported. I have *personally* seen the aftermath of many IED/Explosive sites where civilians were involved and I can personally tell you the survival rate for children depends almost entirely on if people knew the bomb was coming or not. If it was dumbfire rockets(ala Hezbollah) once the first few rockets hit the parents and even random adults tend to shield children with their bodies or shove them into small spaces to protect them. Additionally, both documents support the statement that children are only "extra" vulnerable to low standing explosives in proximity(mines). An adult is within the threat range of a buried IED far longer than a 3-4 foot tall child. Do not confuse "risk of injury" to "area of effect capable of causing injury". | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
Umm this is a war mate. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
The proportion is quite important, though. The proportion of women and children among the dead is a big part in how civilian casualties are estimated, since women and children are usually not combatants and the health ministry in Gaza does not differentiate combatants and non-combatants.
But even still. They're squabbling over what seems to be, at most, a 5-10K shift in the numbers of civilians vs combatants killed. At the end of the day, it's clear a lot of people are dying, many of them civilians. The closing quote sums it up well, though:
> “I think (the data) becomes increasingly flawed,” he said. But, he added, “the flaws don’t necessarily change the overall picture.” | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
Hamas does not care about women and children being killed. Every week there are more pictures of weapons stored in schools or health facilities. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
if you think a 16 year old with a weapon is a child, you are very naive | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
As should nothing a Netanyahu run Israeli Government taken serious as well. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
I guess English isnt your native language which is fair enough. It was clearly shown in the context of my comment that I was reffering to childs according to statistics. Not according to current context. And yes according to the statistics reffererd to in the post everyone below 18 is a child. The entire point of the discussion is that those child soldiers arent the majority of the child cassulties in Gaza. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
It's not a sporting event. There's no issue of "bag limit".
Rather, compare Israel to how other wars have fared. Urban combat without prior evacuation? Typically 9:1 civilians to combatants. Figuring a number for this war is hard because we have no good numbers of dead, period. Going on what we do have, though:
Hamas claim: about 34,000.
Ministry of Health claim: IIRC 19,000.
Israel claim of combatants killed: 15,000.
See a pattern? That gives us: 19,000:15,000 = 1.26:1
Furthermore, 4,000 of those supposedly carefully done MoH records are garbage. If we figure they don't exist that gives us 1:1.
Note that **any** reasonable estimates of the dead put Israel as the world's best at avoiding civilian casualties.
(And note that this is blaming Israel for all combat deaths, whether or not Israel actually did it. Lots of rockets fall short. Plenty of evidence that some deaths were staged to look like IDF. And there are the gray ones--Israel hit that warehouse near the refugee camp and it went kablooie because there was stored stuff--presumably rockets--there.) | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
Careful with that talk, this is Reddit lol | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
Imagine posting this from a site called timesofisrael.com and not wonder if they might have a bias. People are fucking stupid.
Lmaooo | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
Didn't you hear ? Israelis take them to harvest organs. Or whatever blood libel is on the menu today | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
Aww. The poor sheep resort to downvoting when they have no comeback to defend their own world view. I understand. Must be tiring to defend the indefensible. I hope the internet points are worth debasing your souls like this. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
>I thought Ukraine couldn’t have elections during war time…
Not according to the current laws. Which can be changed, if there's political will.
>did you read the release you linked??? They didn’t say Ukraine needed to hold elections
OK, let's read [Blinken's speech](https://www.state.gov/a-free-prosperous-and-secure-future-for-ukraine/) together, shall we?
Direct quote:
>But more work remains to be done. Eight in ten Ukrainians still believe that **there’s one set of law for the elites and another for everyone else**. And entrenched interests are doing their best to [stay that way].
>Ukraine’s defenses against corruption have to be just as strong as its military defenses.
>And we know what those defenses are: an independent judiciary; a free press; a vibrant, inclusive civil society; **free and fair elections**; independent, empowered anti-corruption investigators, prosecutors, and judges.
>For decades, the United States and Europe have been helping you build these democratic pillars, from the bottom up. And we’ll keep supporting you as you accelerate these reforms.
>That’s why **we’re working with the government and civil society groups to shore up Ukraine’s election infrastructure**. That way, **as soon as Ukrainians agree** that conditions allow, all Ukrainians – all Ukrainians, **including those displaced by Russia’s aggression** – can exercise their **right to vote**. People in Ukraine and around the world can have confidence that **the voting process is free, fair, secure**.
End quote.
Note the following:
1. Normal people are f\*\*cked by this war while the elites prosper. It's a problem, and everyone knows that. **8 in 10 Ukrainians** already **have no faith in the leadership**. That's what "believing the elites live by different laws" means. This problem is **as critical as military defense**.
2. **Election infrastructure** is emphasized as the #1 thing the US is working on in Ukraine to combat this.
3. Elections will happen **as soon as Ukrainians agree**. And that clearly is **before the end of the war**, and **while Ukrainian territory is occupied by Russia**, since it includes "people **displaced** [from occupied territories] **by Russian aggression**".
Carefully read all of the above, and draw conclusions.
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**TL;DR:** Blinken talks about importance of free and fair elections for **all** Ukrainians, including **those displaced by Russian aggression**. That means elections **before** Ukraine is de-occupied. The US **is working on election infrastructure now**, and **elections WILL happen** "as soon as Ukrainians agree". | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
Bias against terrorists is the best bias | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
This is probably accurate. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
Nah russia also sucks really bad. Israel has been occupying many palestine territorries before this major war break. I'm not into hamas they suck. But I'm more incline to say if israel feel so superior in miletary and so on. Why not just kill the hamas . Why bomb houses of people that are not even soldiers. And are just living in there. So i repeat. Numbers are numbers, but there is not doubt they are killing more civillians than soldiers, or hamas members. And saying all the population of palestine is hammas is dumb. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
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Gantz wasn't in the original coalition, he only joined to make it a unity coalition for the war. Withdrawing wouldn't threaten their majority. In fact, withdrawing would force Bibi to cede to Smotrich/Ben Gvirs threats that if he accepted Biden's ceasefire deal, *they* would withdraw.
In other words, Gantz likely isn't withdrawing because that would threaten the ceasefire agreement - something that Gantz says he wants. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
I can avoid making a post shart plan what do you make of that CIA | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
I’m sure classified assessment this wasn’t purposely leaked Joe’s administration to pander to the pro-Palestinian vote in Michigan. Not a chance. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
CIA bastion of truth never makes shit up? (WMD) | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Now I picture and Adderall and Red Bull fuelled Netanyahu furiously pulling an all nighter like a college kid working on their final paper | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
well, that goes against the definition of the word "plan" | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Yall think epstien was a cia or mossad asset? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
npnp, it's my bad for misunderstanding you, i should've known this is what you meant | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
Don’t need a post-war plan if you intend to wage an unending war. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-08-06 |
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They gotta evacuate that coast ngl | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
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Those dang liberals at it again | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
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>>In January 2012, the spokesperson for the UN Secretary General stated that under resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, the UN still regards Gaza to be a part of the Occupied Palestinian Territory.[12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories
https://web.archive.org/web/20120508013916/http://www.un.org/News/ossg/hilites/hilites_arch_view.asp?HighID=2059 | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
>>In January 2012, the spokesperson for the UN Secretary General stated that under resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, the UN still regards Gaza to be a part of the Occupied Palestinian Territory.[12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories
https://web.archive.org/web/20120508013916/http://www.un.org/News/ossg/hilites/hilites_arch_view.asp?HighID=2059 | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
People still don't know how this works huh? The members on the council is a rotating list that changes every year. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
>>In January 2012, the spokesperson for the UN Secretary General stated that under resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, the UN still regards Gaza to be a part of the Occupied Palestinian Territory.[12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories
https://web.archive.org/web/20120508013916/http://www.un.org/News/ossg/hilites/hilites_arch_view.asp?HighID=2059 | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
“Any opinion I don’t like is anti- Semitic” | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Al-Qaeda, ISIS and Boko Haram aren't countries either | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Take it up with the UN and the countries who wrote these international laws | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
You sure are an anti-Semite. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
><You clutch your pearls at the notion that you can militarize schools, hospitals, and residences making them valid targets, but are first in line to say rape, door-to-door civilian slaughter, murdering kids in front of parents, burning families alive together are all “legitimate struggle and resistance”.
Can you quote me on that? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
And Hamas was elected unlike the others. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it must be… | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
>Israel will join a UN blacklist of countries, including Afghanistan, Congo, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, and Syria, as well as terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda, ISIS and Boko Haram
did you read the article? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
cant wait to hear your reactions to the heads of the women rights and human rights councils lmao | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
almost two decades ago, but he's wrong regardless. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
i wish, our generals are still obsessed with being a moral army applauded by nobody | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Here you go. Even stupider than what you thought, right?
[https://unwatch.org/iran-to-chair-un-human-rights-forum-on-thursday-sparking-protests/](https://unwatch.org/iran-to-chair-un-human-rights-forum-on-thursday-sparking-protests/)
[https://unwatch.org/irans-presidency-of-un-disarmament-body-challenged-by-hillel-neuer/](https://unwatch.org/irans-presidency-of-un-disarmament-body-challenged-by-hillel-neuer/) | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Yes, Hamas indeed has killed so many. The declared goal of this evil organization is to get as many Gazans and Israelis dead as possible. Hopefully, one day the Gazans will stop supporting it, and will choose peace for once. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
>Gaza Strip continues to be regarded as part of the occupied Palestinian Territory.
that just means that it's not a separate entity.
not that it is under occupation | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Well human shields doesn't mean shoot at them both. If we are talking about like 3 terrorists in a building of 30k, you don't just say ah well too bad for these 30k ppl we gonna bomb the terrorists and think everyone will be OK with that.
Now Israel is a sovereign state and has absolutely made up its mind, and so it will continue its course of actions, but it's hiliarious to see ppl whining about ppl getting mad at their action. No butcher, you do your shit and we will talk about the shit you done. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
UN= Antismetic fools. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
This isn’t a list for countries, there are several terrorist organizations on it. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
are we going to ignore history altogether now?
Remember the Camp David Accords that Raben was going to sign on to before his assasination? Remember all the other peace talks or resolutions both US and Israel shot down which would have helped bring both sides together? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
If you aid and abet a criminal carrying out a crime you are held legally culpable for the crime the same as the perpetrator.
There is 2 million palestinian civilians and there was 45k hamas, now more like 15-20k, its been long enough that if they didnt stand behind and support hamas they could have ended them by now but instead they cheer them.
Just as guilty. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
lol you called him a moron and he is insulting you?
you are an embarrassment to the ACTUAL good people of Israel. You know, the ones who want to hold the govt accountable for their continued and past role in all of this. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
The comment wasn’t asking it was trying to make a point | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
I don't think his point was to discredit one or the other.
He was merely stating. Let's not forget the amount that has been abducted. Shouldn't only care about those who have passed. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
you still fighting the civil war? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
You can’t be tortured if you’re dead | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Palestine is a region of land. In that region there are three governments: Israel, Hamas, and the Palestinian Authority. Polling people in the West Bank (governed by the PA) about who they support in Gaza is just weird. It's like asking Californians who they support for the governor of Nevada. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
A lot of places don't see elections. I don't think the PA wants elections either. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
To be fair few countries or entities have reached the efficiency in their killing of children that Isreal has reached so it’s understandable. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
I'm definitely glad I'm not in the position of any of the decisionmakers, don't get me wrong. Just wish people weren't so simplistic. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
What? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
it's really easy to poll well when you stick a gun in the voters' faces
Not sure why everyone seems to gloss over the fact that Hamas rules with extreme prejudice
Try going to Gaza and protesting against Hamas and see how well that goes for you | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
But it doesn't matter were they elected ir not, as majority has had no saying to current leaders. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Yeah, except Gaza numbers are taken from Hamas' claims at face value. While for Ukraine, the absolute lowest possible number is used with claims that it's somehow "verified".
Meanwhile, according to Ukraine, in Mariupol *alone* over 25000 people died.
It's cynical politics. Always has been. It boggles my mind that people think UN has some kind of "morality" behind it or whatever. How naive can you possibly be? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Who cares what the UN does?
Seriously, at this point its only so Al Jazeera and UK news channel will have items to report | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
No, it's like asking Californians who they support for the president of the US... wtf lol.
Hamas is a political party, the PA is the Palestinian Authority. Their rivals are Fatah, not the PA.
Hamas won elections for the PA, and Fatah kept power by force. As a result, Hamas (the political party) controls Gaza, and Fatah controls the West Bank (and the Palestinian Authority's center of power, Ramallah).
There are no Gaza-only elections or West Bank-only elections. There exist only one kind of elections in the Palestinian Authority, and both Gaza and the WB have no difference in them. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
look up the lost cause of the confederacy. the arab states that declared war on israel lost long ago. yet i keep seeing this cited as an excuse for the horror of oct 7th. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Also fired near the camp, not actually at the camp. What exploded was a munitions cache Israel didn't know was there. But of course, no one is concerned with Hamas hiding explosives at a refugee camp. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Okay, but when answered with a scenario where Marwan Barghouti runs as head of the PA, they projected Hamas to lose by a landslide?
So obviously Palestinians are not worried for being murdered because they will give "the wrong answer". | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Proves my point...why are people acting like Gazas government isn't so fucking problematic in this situation. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Ah, not enough dead kids, got it. What about Afghanistan? Vietnam? I'm not obviously saying that America should be on that list. I'm saying by THEIR logic, they should be. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
it's an authoritarian governing body lol
How easily do you think you could snuff out the CPP in China, for example?
Think critically | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
The comment you replied to said that Hamas not holding elections doesn’t mean anything in relation to Hamas being the government of Gaza. You said “it does matter”, so naturally I assumed you meant that Hamas not holding elections affected their status as a government. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Is Palestine on that list? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Wouldn’t say it’s troll farms, just the average person that understands world politics and how Hamas operates.
There was an article today about an Israeli attack on a school where Hamas claimed a large number of women and children were killed. An outside reporter came to do a story on the attack and the Gaza health ministry changed the number and sex of the casualties drastically after the reporter visited the site. If memory serves me correctly, the women and children casualties were lowered by about half and the adult male casualties were raised from 0 to 21. Israel claimed 9 were Hamas before either Gaza health officials or the reporter released numbers.
I feel for the innocent people in gaza but I personally believe the numbers being released by the Gaza Health Ministry are incorrect by a large margin. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
They have added Hamas. This article just left out that part because it doesn’t help the narrative they’re trying to push.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-adds-israel-to-list-of-shame-for-alleged-rights-violations-against-children-during-war-netanyahu-delusional/ | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Head of the PA has nothing to do with Gaza. You’re doing the same thing the original guy did and are comparing West Bank to Gaza. They’re effectively different states. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
Yep, and Ukraine has a relatively static frontline. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-07-06 |
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