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When he joined Meta, he actually was brought on the lead messenger, which reached 1.5 billion users, pretty, pretty big userbase, and then, you know, previously he was the president of PayPal, and so. I, um, I did a lot of digging into your life and career, which is actually has been really, really fun. And what I noticed this pattern of, of founder to call like big tech executive to founder again. And so I wanted to start just with your founder journey. I know the starting point of being a founder was really uh facing some family struggles and, and you, uh, you had an incredible tough journey into entrepreneurship, so why don't we start there? Yeah, sure, happy, happy to share. Um, so yeah, my life as an entrepreneur started when, uh, when my family basically lost everything. I had to drop out of college and, and figure something out. Uh, I went to a bank for a short year before deciding that it really wasn't for me, uh, and then. I saw an opportunity. I was still in Switzerland at the time and there was an opportunity with the market opening up for more competition with, uh, you know, telecom and uh ISPs, and so I decided that, you know, sure, I was 23, I was going to figure it all out and make it work, which, you know, I, it was way harder than I thought, but. You know, it, it was, uh, it was a great experience to figure things out, uh, technically at night, selling during the day, wearing a three piece suit to make myself look older, which, uh, clearly is not a problem anymore for me. Uh, and, uh, and those were great years, and we ended up being quite successful, sold the company, created another company. Uh, and, uh, all the premium SMS stuff at the time where people were still downloading wallpapers and ringtones on their cell phones. Then in 2007, uh, the iPhone came up. I'm like, OK, this business is going to die if I don't do something, moved to Silicon Valley, which was long overdue, uh, and built a home payments company, uh, that was really successful at the time of, uh, social media games like, you know, Farmville and and the likes. Uh, sold the company to PayPal, um, and then, you know, 5 months after I joined the company to lead their mobile efforts, basically their then CEO decided to leave the company and go to the Yahoo for a short moment, uh, and, uh, and I was like, this is great because my loyalty was to him and not to anyone else, so I'm going to just Finish a year and then go and do another startup, uh, and, uh, on that leadership team, I was probably the only one who really didn't want that job, uh, and, you know, maybe it helped in an odd way, but, uh, I got the, the, I got asked to basically leave PayPal, which I did for, for a few years, which was crazy because I went from 150 and some people to 16 17,000 people, uh, and it was kind of a silent turnaround with the culture that was kind of messed up, etc. so it was really taxing, uh, so I did that and then, you know, ended up, uh, uh, going to, to now meta, uh, to messenger and then brought in and and now full circle back to being an entrepreneur. I want to talk about that PayPal experience because I think a lot of founders who get acquired have, it's challenging to go from founder to big company and actually succeed. It's actually really rare of us founders end up training out of those companies pretty quickly that you seem to be able to do both, um, work on the unexpected lessons you have from being a founder to being able to navigate. Uh, 15,000 person plus company they found on Facebook. I think that it's kind of a weird appetite for pain or something or tolerance for pain that I have, uh. And actually like the generally entrepreneurs going into big structures just don't sustain the overhead and BS that comes with a large company which forces you to spend all kinds of cycles doing things that are not really product-centering or customer centric, and they churn out, uh, and you know, I would have churned out too, but you know when you're into payments and you're asked to lead one of the most significant payments grants. Uh, in the world at a time where I saw actually in a short 5 months there, I saw what I thought needed to happen for that company to actually function better, uh, and so it wasn't the thing I was going to turn down, um, and so next thing you know, it just, you know, went with it, uh, and, you know, when I, I was needing if I was like done with exactly what I just described. I wanted to go back to starting new companies, and that's when Mark reached out and, and, you know, really was an assistant, uh, to bring me on at Facebook. Um, and my thought there was, I'm just going to give it a shot. Like, you know, this is a really impressive guy here to go work with. And, uh, if it works out great, if it doesn't, like, it doesn't matter, it's like I would have wasted a year or two of my life and I spent over 70 years. Uh, I want to talk about Mark recruiting me to Facebook because. I I dug up a Wired magazine article that I read, read over the weekend that it said Mark Zuckerberg invited David Marcus to dinner. It wasn't the first time Pa Paul so spoken a French CEO had been over at Zuckerberg's house for a meal, and Marcus figured it was just another social business thing, but he had hardly had time to dig into his salmon before Zuckerberg began the hard sell. So I was just curious when Mark Zuckerberg, you're at his house eating salmon. Uh, what, like, what is the hard sell from Mark, because I think if Mark is, is telling you, it's probably hard to say that. It was a really good. Um, no, I mean, look, when he, uh, when we were done with pleasantries with, you know, which was basically 5 minutes, uh, he went straight to the point. He was like, look, messaging is going to be one of the most important trends of this next phase, um, and I'd love for you to come and read that, uh, for us. Uh, at first I kind of dismissed it entirely. I was like, what do you mean like I'm kind of, you know, running this big company called PayPal and just wanted to go be a random VP at a, you know, a company like Facebook that was, you know, an amazing company that I love the culture. Uh, I love, I, I love a lot of things about Facebook and they were my clients when I was building Zon, the company that I sold to PayPal. Uh, but I was like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm just going to go build a startup. And, um, and he was really insistent. So basically, at that time, uh, I turned it down. I'm like, you know, I'm not going to do that. And, and then he invited me over to come for drinks like on a, on a almost a, a bi daily basis until I said yes. So he was really, really consistent. Uh, and then I'm like, OK, it's like, you know, Mark is amazing, the team is really a winning team. That, that whole engineering team and leadership team was so exceptional. I was like, OK, this is an opportunity to go work with some of the, the brightest people in the world, uh, at scale. And, uh, and at the time Facebook was sub 6000 people. Uh, when I left, it was north of 85,000 people, so, you know, I saw an incredible, incredible, uh, transition from being still quite nimble, really fast, but with a lot of reach to a much larger, larger in the span of seven years. So it's a good recruiting lesson for founders in the room. If you, if you really want to recruit, uh, every, is it every other day dinners, he said, just drinks on my way home. He was like, OK, you're, you're in San Jose, you live in, you know, uh, Menlo Park or after, you know, when you drive back home, just stop by for, for a drink or something. So that was kind of casual thing. It's pretty amazing. And so you join Facebook. I, I actually want to ask, so then. Once you, once you say yes, then you have to start pitching Mark on your eye. I wanted to like, what's it like to be in a room and, and kind of pitch your vision to Mark? I mean, he was really great in the way that I gave me a lot of room to operate, uh, in both things I did there, uh, when I was messenger, uh, and, and, you know, I was like, OK, we need to try a bunch of different things to make it, you know, more prominent to get to the growth phase, uh, and those were intoxicating times when, when I joined was, I think Messenger was about 150 million monthly actives, um, we were just starting to Breaking out of uh the main Facebook ad which was really, really, really not popular at the time, uh, but definitely the right thing to do. Um, and it was really intoxicating because we had so many ideas and features and by the time we formulated the ideas we got the team working on it, and we actually pushed it to hundreds of millions of people, uh, sometimes it was just a couple of weeks and, uh, and we could do many in parallel, so. We tried a number of different things. Some worked really, really well. Some didn't work, um, but we got the, the products from there to 1.5 billion people. And the one thing that not very many people talk about is we actually built a real business model for messaging, which are those. Click to messenger ads or click to message ads, uh, which I think has been recently broken down, um, or broken up by, uh, by Facebook and their quarterly earnings, which is almost like we're north now of $10 billion annualized, uh, business. So it's, uh, it, you know, we, we have to figure out how to make money with this thing, which wasn't intuitive at all, uh, and it was, it was. And then I get to a sense kind of founder David starts creeping back in because you willingly leave Messenger, which is a slam dunk product and project, to go to a sub 100 person team on Facebook and, um, like, keep in mind this is after PayPal, 15,000 people, so you're really, you know, joining a startup again at that point. What was the transition like there and why did you make that career choice? I mean, it was so great. Um, why, uh, you know, again, because it felt like a once in a lifetime opportunity to go work with some of the most iconic and, and amazing people to work with. Um, and just because I, I'm a product guy at heart, and, you know, when you lead a 17,000 person organization, you're, you know, uh, shaking hands and kissing babies a lot and doing a lot of culture stuff versus product work, and I missed that a lot. And so going back to just focusing on one single product which was Messenger at the time and working with some of the best engineers I had ever worked with in my entire life and, and, and going at that breakneck speed, uh, at that scale was incredible. And, um, and, you know, that's why I made that choice and it was. Those first few years, like 2014 to let's say 2016, 2nd half of 2016 were incredible. They were some of the, the best years of, of buying career building products. It was just so great. And can you just talk about Libra and kind of what, what are the biggest misconceptions about the project and obviously a lot of it, um, your time is probably spent with regulators and um is there anything you've learned on the regulatory front? I think this is a lot of founders across industries are finding us to be. Their biggest challenge and we're seeing that with AI now, obviously in crypto but um I guess two parts of the question. What um what are the biggest challenges that they and how do you, uh, how do you recommend to regulators? How much time do I have? I think we have 30 minutes, but, uh, I won't spend the full 30 minutes on this, but I could easily, um. So yeah, Messenger basically got to cruising altitude and kind of getting boring and uh it sounds like the right time to, to your earlier question about pitching more about an idea. This was the time where I'm like, OK, you know, we have 3.5 billion people we reach every month. We have the best uh graph for payments with Messenger and uh more importantly with WhatsApp. Uh, and we could actually really build something that's open, that's inoperable, that's like a real open protocol for money on the internet, which was something that I was really frustrated by over the course of many years of the payments. In fact, that money still moves the same way it moved, you know, 50 plus years ago. And, um, and so the pitch was, look, we have everything we need. It's super high data it's super high risk. Uh, we can actually make a difference and change the game in a, in a really significant way, and because of the distribution we have, we can probably convince a number of companies to join us on this journey and go build this thing together, which we really did. Uh, we, we, the Libra original Libra Association was 28 very significant companies, including payments companies, uh, that joined us to go build this thing. And, uh, and so the lesson here, uh, actually, my, my initial thought was to do it outside of Facebook, um, but Mark really wanted to build it inside of Facebook and gave me a lot of autonomy to go about it, which we ended up doing because it was worth a shot. Uh, but I knew it was going to be very difficult. It turned out to be even more difficult than I had originally predicted, so we announced the original white paper in June of 2019. Uh, and less than 3 weeks later, I was testifying in front of Congress, in front of both, uh, the Senate and the House, which was kind of a first for me. Uh, I highly recommend it. Um, it, it's kind of an interesting, you know, growth experience for sure. Um, and so, uh, it's, uh, and, and the lesson here is twofold. First of all, the hardest industry to go disrupt. Uh, a change in a profound way is the industry that touches money in any shape or form. So whether it's banking or payments or anything that touches established payments, um, constructs. Uh, it turns out that governments really care a lot about their own currencies, which I, I kind of knew. I'm just like, you know, exaggerating a bit, but we were a little naive that, you know, Facebook, which, you know, by the time we had started the project. The winds were starting to turn already on Facebook's brands and reputation at the time. By the time we announced the project, it, it was really bad. And so you're trying to launch a thing which will establish a new unit of account for retail payments that is going to be launched and sponsored by a company that's really not popular at that time and not trusted at that time, much better now. Um, and, uh, and you're doing it in a very like we're going to just change the game and give people access to cheap free, almost, uh, real-time payments, um, globally at the scale of billions of people. So everyone freaked out at once, where it's like instantly every single central bank governor, regulator, uh, really, really, uh, got worried and, uh, and so we spent. The next 2 years, uh, trying to go convince regulators that the way that we had built this was actually thoughtful, respectful of regulations and all these things, but It didn't matter that we had every right to actually launch this thing from a regulatory standpoint and legal standpoint. It was just a political uh pressure that ultimately killed that project, and it was just, uh, you know, the wrong sponsor. Um, and the wrong design of the project to be completely candid. Like, you know, if you're building a stable coin, which is kind of a new unit of account that has, uh, to have a reserve that's managed centrally, uh, then you're exposing yourself to a single fat to choke because one entity is managing that underlying reserve and as such can be choked. Uh, and so that was, uh, I think that we tried to work around as much as we could, but it was really hard to eliminate that vulnerability. I'm always classified people who um have success if they come and go back to being a founder because life, life is so good, comfortable, um, you, there's something about you that needs to start a company again. Um, and I, I read a quote that maybe explains this, but you said you have to be a little crazy to build a startup. Having had a startup and big tech experiences, I've diagnosed myself with an unhealthy addiction to the same highs and lows and paranoid paranoid nights of startup life. Uh, can you talk about just your, um, whatever it is in you that drives you to, to, to do this again, and then, um, maybe just touch on what your, what your feelings are. I don't know where to start on this, um. So for me, it feels like you, if you're going to be successful at doing this, you're either very young and foolish, uh, because you don't know what you're getting into and you don't realize how hard it's going to be, and that's fine. Uh, and, you know, some people realize it's really way harder than they thought that they just, you know, throw the towel and go do something else, and other, others just persevere and push on. Um, but I think, you know, at, at our ages, like, you know, when you get older, uh, you definitely have to be animated by something that really, really motivated, motivates you or pisses you off like in a really profound way. Um, and for me, it's kind of this unfinished business, uh, that, you know, the, the way that money moves around the world today is unacceptable. It's crazy. It's crazy that money doesn't travel on the internet like everything else. And, uh, and I've decided that I was going to fix this or help fix it, uh, and change the way money moved around the world as kind of my life's pursuit, and I was going to do it or die trying, but that's the only thing that I was going to do for the rest of my life. That's it, period. Um, and that's the motivation. So I love it because I, I have absolute clarity that this is the thing I want to do, nothing else. And, uh, and, you know, I've tried to set it up in a way where I have everything I need to actually go do it, and it's just really exhilarating to be in that position. Can you give the room just uh like a 1 or 2 minute TED talk about how money moves today, because I think we take for granted um how archaic this architecture has been, and I've heard you explain it before I was scribbling notes, but it, it really is a passing, um, less you can get. Yeah, sure. So in the US when I talked about how money is broken, it's true that, and I'm glad you asked the question because it's true that most people are like, I don't know what you're talking about. I can Venmo people, I can cash out people. Uh, and then I ask people, OK, so can you Venmo money to someone on Cash App? No, you can't. So it's a little bit like you're on Gmail and you can't email anyone that's not on Gmail. Um, and so the way the world works today is you have uh uh a proliferation, and that's actually a proliferation of domestic cheap real-time payment systems. Uh, eventually in the US we'll get one, it's called Fen now, um, but, uh, in Europe you have SEPA, and in Brazil you have Pigs, in India you have UPI, you have real-time payment systems, uh, everywhere in Southeast Asia. Uh, and the problem is those systems actually have a different account standard. Uh, so the account format like in the US is, you know, routing and checking, uh, in Europe, it's an IBAN, and, you know, uh, Brazil, it's a fixed IT, um, so the account formats are different, the currencies are different, the payment systems are different. And the way they interoperate with one another is through the corresponding banking system and Swift. Swift is, I think, almost older than I am, um, and so it's old, and, uh, and, you know, it doesn't move money in real time. Uh, it's uh it's a bad processed, uh, net settlement system between banks. Uh, it starts working Friday after 5 p.m. It's really expensive, so in the US if you want to use it as a consumer, you have to pay between 45 to $50 for a simple wire transfer. Um, and that's the way actually money moves around the world. Like, you know, it's, I, I often joked that when I was running PayPal, we acquired Venmo with Braintree at the time, and you still cannot send money between Venmo and PayPal despite the fact that there's the same company. It's like ridiculous. So think about how hard it is internationally. So some apps have figured out a way to do it within the same app, but that's kind of a database, uh, you know. A database change, right? You're not actually moving money and so money doesn't move natively on the internet. There's just no way to do it, uh, in a standardized apple each way, uh, and, uh, and, you know, SWIFT and correspondent banking is still processing about $5 trillion a day despite all of its inefficiencies and costs. So we, we have a lot of opportunity to truly build an open protocol for money on the internet that is open 24/7, developer friendly, and that enables people to settle money in real time at any given time of the day and night or weekends, uh, in any currency with any account formats, and that's what we're building. Thanks we hear a pitch and you give a two-minute question if they can answer it that well, um, maybe you invest in the company that that's also gonna be a good party trick for any of us. Next time we see a demo we can explain how money moves. So, um, thanks for that lesson. In, in terms of just the architecture, so you guys are using lightning network and Bitcoin, um, can you just talk about those decisions, uh, and then why you think that's the best way to go. Yeah, uh, there are easier ways to do this. Um, so 11 of the alternatives to using Bitcoin, uh, as a solution here would be to use stablecoins on top of Solana or any of these things, right? The problem with this is we're back to the problem I was describing earlier that if you're using a stable coin, then you have a centralized operator of the original backing that stable coin. And if a country doesn't like it for some reason. And they just want to tell, uh, you know, the operator of the stable coin, don't operate in my country, then they'll have to comply. Uh, and so you can't really build a truly global reach neutral asset. It also won't be liked by everyone like because, you know, if you're using a US dollar stablecoin in Europe, they will want the euro stablecoin, and in other countries they'll want their own. And so there's no net neutral settlement assets. That can be used as a sort of TCPID packet for money uh on the internet other than Bitcoin because Bitcoin is truly decentralized. It's the most neutral form of money ever invented since the beginning of humanity. Really, it's the most neutral form of money when you think about it. All of its properties are encoded within its code base, and we all know how it works. Uh, if you spend the time, but you know how it works, and so you can use it as a net neutral settlement asset between currencies. So let's say that I'm in the US and I want to send money to someone in Mexico, uh, I can use what we announced in late October, which is thisUMA standard, this universal money in US standard. I'll have a dollar sign. David, you know, let's say Cash App implements its dollar sign David at Cash App, and you're in Mexico and I'll send you, uh, $10 you'll receive peso. You'll never know Bitcoin and my name is in the middle, uh, but that's what will actually transport the value of the internet mainly uh in a split second. And uh and that, that, you know, looks and feels like internet but for money and uh and that's why we built it on top of Bitcoin and lightning because it's the most neutral form of money and settlement network. We're gonna switch gears and it's, it's a section I'm calling explained 3 tweets, which is everyone's nightmare, right? Asking, asking yourself to explain 3 tweets from the archives, but, uh, it's fun. So 1st, 1st 1 is to predict the future of anything, look at the incentives. It'll work with literally everything parenthood, society, companies, countries, the economy, everything. It sounds obvious, but learning how to truly understand this and decode incentives takes a while. What did you mean by that tweet? I was, I was, I was interested by the parenthood part as a new, a relatively new dad, but, um, but it isn't, uh, yeah, I mean, if you're a parent, like the incentives you give your kids will, you know, I mean, of course, there's the part of like your kids are who they are and there's, you know, little changing bad parts, but in terms of the part that we can play as parents. The incentives that we set for children will kind of determine uh whether they're going to be a successful parent or not, right? And I think, uh, I think that's true for everything, like, you know, when you look at the economy, look at the incentives, who's going to profit from what and how, but really, really try to, you know, double click, triple click, click on that whole thing all the way down to the essence of the incentive, and then you can predict where it's going to go. And um and I think we have a lot of issues with that. Once you understand really the those incentives, when you understand the incentives that are behind, you know, certain governments or certain leaders, uh, you can really unpack where it's going to go ahead. Tweet number 2, a really good self-inflicted forcing function is ask yourself that if every workday, week, month, whether you're satisfied with the progress you've made in that period. Daily is the most important one. It'll push you to drive harder the next day, and it will come compound. Uh, what are ways that you push yourself daily to to just become better? Well, I mean, that, that's just a reflection of, you know, at the end of every day, just ask yourself, are you happy with the progress you made? Are you, are you feeling great about the progress you've made in that day, you know, do the same for at the end of every week, at the end of every month, at the end of every period. Um, and the answer is often not. The the the answer is often, no, I could have done more things. I didn't get to doing all the things that I wanted to do and Then you can actually analyze on why that is. It's like, you know, what did I do? Did I have like 3 meetings that were really not meaningful or didn't advanced thing that I wanted to get done? So next time, just don't take the meetings likely decline that. That's an art to likely decline all kinds of different things. Um, and learning to do that comfortably is actually going to be more time for you to do the things you want to do. So this is kind of a a helpful trick. Uh, that I've used a lot and I continue to use, uh, to try to push harder. Otherwise, you can, a year goes by like this, you know, so you can just chug along and, you know, then you're not getting closer to the destination, if there's such a thing. Well, I hope our meets the the other day task but um. I, I like that method. The last, the last week would just be some founders who raised a lot of money to really have and convey a sense of calm to their teams. It's a fatal mistake, fear of your death, constraints, and paranoia are essential divorce. To force focus, turn hardcore mode into high gear and build things of value. Um, how do you kind of keep that? You seem like a pretty calm person today, and I think the Wired article said that you even described you as being more like quiet, so how do you kind of convey that, um, sense of urgency to your team? I don't know that everyone would, would feel the same way about, uh, about me and especially people who worked with me for, for a while I'm calm, um. But I try to also keep the level of intensity really, really high. Uh, and so I'm, I'm, you know, very demanding, and, and I think, you know, that the tweet you're referencing is actually this ongoing paranoia. I'm actually, this is something I think about all the time and it's kind of an odd thing to have the blessing of having raised a lot of money. Uh, but it also comes as a curse, and the vast majority of companies that have raised too much money fail, uh, because they get bloated prematurely. Uh, they go into 15 directions instead of one because they can, uh, and so their lack of focus, uh, leads to failure. And so I'm super paranoid about that, and, uh, it's really, really hard. I, I keep on thinking about what are the things that I can use. To make the team feel like again, you know, when you're running out of money at the end of the year and you need to do something to prove traction, momentum, etc. it's such an incredible push forcing the function like external thing that you can't, you know, replicate with, um, and so I use everything I can. Like there's this next random conference that is happening, so we need to announce this thing by that conference with that those three partners that we haven't signed yet. Because that's our shot. And then people may ask why it's like, oh, it's just, you know, happens to be the next convenient thing, but it's an external forcing function. You can't move the day to an external conference, so then people rally for the thing. Of course, you can't do that all the time and then not have results, right? You, you, you have to push the team and then People working really, really hard for that artificial external forcing function that you put in front of them, they need to see the result on the other side, otherwise they'll burn out and, you know, next time you try, they're like, oh, it's like last time I'm not push. Um, but it's really important to keep pushing really hard because that's the competitive advantage of startups. It's like if you're not fast, uh, if you don't innovate faster, and if you don't take more risks, then, you know, what's the point of being a starter? Uh, so yeah, that's, uh, that's something that's always time to find. Do you find it's helpful to have good common common enemy, so it's, um, you know, like. Famous example of Uber and Lyft, that that mentality of kind of like 2010 startups were startups just like hitting each other. They just want to like kill the enemy and they were so nice with one. Um, how, how do you do that as a startup though when it's not clear who your opponent is, and you, uh, but you know you need to kind of create that, um, just like common, you you need an opponent to, to go, to go beat. Yeah, I don't, I don't know that you always need an opponent. I mean, I love to compete, don't get me wrong, it's like, you know, I, there's nothing I like more than having, you know, a good competitor to mobilize the, the troops and, and, and, and push even harder. Uh, but I don't think you always need that. I think, uh, I think you need, if you don't have that, the alternative is actually what Is the thing that makes you really passionate and frustrated in terms of the status quo. And so then there are people who are the, the people or companies, etc. that are trying to preserve or defend that status quo, and so maybe that's kind of who you're after, but I'm, I, I have a harder time with that. Um, I'm more focused on is that also it's kind of a negative. If you're competing, um, for innovation, like, OK, let's say you're You know, an AI company and there's another AI company that's building another and all that. OK, fine. That's competition, that's positive and that's going to push you in the right places. If you're competing with legacy players that are trying to preserve their status quo, it's negative kind of You know, and, and you have to keep being enthusiastic and positive with the team and looking up so you you can complain about how broken things are, but focus on on what are the ways that you're going to make it better for who, who are your customers, how you're going to change their lives. Uh, or their companies or their businesses, how you're going to unlock GDP for the world in our case, uh, in a, in a very significant way once you remove the constraints of our legacy payment systems and rails, uh, and that's more uplifting and, and motivating for people typically. So we'll end with just a few more personal questions, and I'm curious, you had such deep roots in the area. I mean, Mark was inviting you over for salmon dinners, uh, and now you live in Los Angeles. I'm just curious why you chose to be here at this point you're here. Salmon is so much better here, uh. That jokes. Um, no, I mean, look, so I spent so, such a long time in the Bay Area and uh I have some of the deepest friendships of my entire life, uh, that are there, uh, but, you know, this was a point where I left Facebook. Uh, some of our kids are here in LA and, uh, I'm, you know, an in-person kind of guy, and I build my team in, in the office, and I got lucky with this because when we started, it was just after people have started started like bringing people back to the office, so I was able to say, hey, there's no hybrid thingy or work from home thingy, like it's You know, we'll make a few exceptions, but everyone's going to be in the office. And so we have to kind of make a decision, like, uh, stay in the Bay Area for another decade, uh, or move to LA and we decided to move to LA and it's, uh, it's just such a uh much more vibrant city, uh, with so much more to offer, and interestingly enough, it's really easy to convince people to move if they're not already here. Uh, and a lot of people that were really great engineers from Google, from Facebook, from all kinds of different companies moved to LA during COVID, um, and when people tried to bring them back to the office, they were like, no, sorry, I don't want to do that. So we're the beneficiaries of that. Uh, and also, you know, it's a nice thing that because it's in person and people love the Office and love being in LA, um, we actually have less competition, uh, locally. Um, and so our, our retention rates are really high, people are really motivated, um, and, you know, it's, uh, it's been a really good decision. Yeah, we always noticed that tender, even our office was in West Hollywood, and if you could convince an engineer to move over there, Snapchat, which was west the 405, could not recruit them to even drive across the 405. So you have incredible employee retention if you, if you're in Los Angeles. Yeah, that's why we're in Culver City. We're in the middle of everything, it's like perfect, perfect, um. More about a, a legacy question. Like I know payments is obviously this um theme of your career, how you wanna spend the rest of your career. It sounds like that. When you look back at the contributions you've made to the tech industry, what do you, what do you want to be remembered by, uh, what do you want kind your impact? I just don't think about legacy much. I just want to get this job done. It's that one thing that really, really motivates me. It's, you know, and, you know, if we, if I can do it, I'll have just a personal satisfaction of having been part of a moment in time where you change something that was really truly fundamental, how value was exchanged and moved around the world. Uh, which I think could have profound impact. I touched on, on GDP but like think about it for a second. If you're a long tail YouTube creator, Uh, and you're outside of the US, you're not getting paid by Google directly, you're getting paid through a web of different third parties, etc. Uh, if you're on the long tail and you get, let's say $100 of, uh, of revenue every 6 months, you get paid every 6 months, right? It's like you have to wait until you accrue a minimum amount to get paid. Uh, what if you could get paid in any currency you want, like streaming money as you stream your content? Uh, because, like, you know, if you're using, uh, Lightning or the technology we're putting together on top of lightning, you could move 5 cents cost effectively from dollars to any currency you want in the world instantly 24/7. So what if that creator could get paid in real time. At every video or every piece of content that she or he pushes out, um, and you know, what are the downstream effects of having that pool of money arrive at destinations that can be spent in the local economy immediately? How much global GDP can be actually unlocked when you get rid of all of the constraints of how money moves around the world? It's, um, so if we can get that done, it's kind of cool. Yeah, I love it. Well, I know you, uh, have flights to the bar coming up, and, uh, I just really appreciate you having you today and, uh, and we're all grateful that, that you shared your career insights and uh thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Feel free to, um, so housekeeping, there's bathrooms back there. Um, there's a bar that's gonna be open the entire day, although it might be purely for, for drinks, but, um, feel free to grab water, so or whatever, we're gonna, um, jump in with the presentation just a couple minutes 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I was gonna say this, I've been looking for the stage, I think more than anybody because I've just said we dream speakers here and you were at the top of the list, and you're also local now in LA, so we're, uh, really good to have you here.","start_time":"24.579","end_time":"39.529","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125]},{"id":2,"transcript":"I am, I","start_time":"39.9","end_time":"40.509","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[126,127,128,129]},{"id":3,"transcript":"am, I'm really glad to, to be here.","start_time":"40.509","end_time":"42.869","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140]},{"id":4,"transcript":"So","start_time":"43.459","end_time":"43.619","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[141]},{"id":5,"transcript":"I'll just do a bit of bragging for you and and get that out of the way but, um, David is the CEO and co-founder of Lightspark.","start_time":"43.619","end_time":"50.299","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171]},{"id":6,"transcript":"Uh, most recently, he led all payments and crypto efforts of Meta. When he joined Meta, he actually was brought on the lead messenger, which reached 1.5 billion users, pretty, pretty big userbase, and then, you know, previously he was the president of PayPal, and so.","start_time":"50.79","end_time":"67.129","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199,200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229]},{"id":7,"transcript":"I, um, I did a lot of digging into your life and career, which is actually has been really, really fun. And what I noticed this pattern of, of founder to call like big tech executive to founder again. And so I wanted to start just with your founder journey. I know the starting point of being a founder was really uh facing some family struggles and, and you, uh, you had an incredible tough journey into entrepreneurship, so why don't we start there?","start_time":"67.379","end_time":"94.839","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326]},{"id":8,"transcript":"Yeah, sure, happy, happy to share. Um, so yeah, my life as an entrepreneur started when, uh, when my family basically lost everything. I had to drop out of college and, and figure something out. Uh, I went to a bank for a short year before deciding that it really wasn't for me, uh, and then.","start_time":"95.94","end_time":"113.819","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349,350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397]},{"id":9,"transcript":"I saw an opportunity. I was still in Switzerland at the time and there was an opportunity with the market opening up for more competition with, uh, you know, telecom and uh ISPs, and so I decided that, you know, sure, I was 23, I was going to figure it all out and make it work, which, you know, I, it was way harder than I thought, but.","start_time":"113.83","end_time":"131.72","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[398,399,400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449,450,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479,480]},{"id":10,"transcript":"You know, it, it was, uh, it was a great experience to figure things out, uh, technically at night, selling during the day, wearing a three piece suit to make myself look older, which, uh, clearly is not a problem anymore for me. Uh, and, uh, and those were great years, and we ended up being quite successful, sold the company, created another company.","start_time":"132.05","end_time":"153.33","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499,500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532,533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547,548,549,550,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563]},{"id":11,"transcript":"Uh, and, uh, all the premium SMS stuff at the time where people were still downloading wallpapers and ringtones on their cell phones. Then in 2007, uh, the iPhone came up. I'm like, OK, this business is going to die if I don't do something, moved to Silicon Valley, which was long overdue, uh, and built a home payments company, uh, that was really successful at the time of, uh, social media games like, you know, Farmville and and the likes.","start_time":"153.52","end_time":"180.24","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[564,565,566,567,568,569,570,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,583,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595,596,597,598,599,600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645,646,647,648,649,650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,658,659,660,661,662,663,664]},{"id":12,"transcript":"Uh, sold the company to PayPal, um, and then, you know, 5 months after I joined the company to lead their mobile efforts, basically their then CEO decided to leave the company and go to the Yahoo for a short moment, uh, and, uh, and I was like, this is great because my loyalty was to him and not to anyone else, so I'm going to just","start_time":"180.46","end_time":"200.184","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[665,666,667,668,669,670,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685,686,687,688,689,690,691,692,693,694,695,696,697,698,699,700,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,723,724,725,726,727,728,729,730,731,732,733,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743]},{"id":13,"transcript":"Finish a year and then go and do another startup, uh, and, uh, on that leadership team, I was probably the only one who really didn't want that job, uh, and, you know, maybe it helped in an odd way, but, uh, I got the, the, I got asked to basically leave PayPal, which I did for, for a few years, which was crazy because I went from","start_time":"200.195","end_time":"222.63","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[744,745,746,747,748,749,750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,769,770,771,772,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,780,781,782,783,784,785,786,787,788,789,790,791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798,799,800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810,811,812,813,814,815,816,817,818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825,826,827,828]},{"id":14,"transcript":"150 and some people to 16 17,000 people, uh, and it was kind of a silent turnaround with the culture that was kind of messed up, etc. so it was really taxing, uh, so I did that and then, you know, ended up, uh, uh, going to, to now meta, uh, to messenger and then brought in and and now full circle back to being an entrepreneur.","start_time":"223.02","end_time":"245.57","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[829,830,831,832,833,834,835,836,837,838,839,840,841,842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849,850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860,861,862,863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877,878,879,880,881,882,883,884,885,886,887,888,889,890,891,892,893,894,895,896,897,898,899,900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909,910]},{"id":15,"transcript":"I want to talk about that PayPal experience because I think a lot of founders who get acquired have, it's challenging to go from founder to big company and actually succeed. It's actually really rare of us founders end up training out of those companies pretty quickly that you seem to be able to do both, um, work on the unexpected lessons you have from being a founder to being able to navigate.","start_time":"246.88","end_time":"266.32","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[911,912,913,914,915,916,917,918,919,920,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945,946,947,948,949,950,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,963,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,988]},{"id":16,"transcript":"Uh, 15,000 person plus company they found on Facebook.","start_time":"266.869","end_time":"270.549","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[989,990,991,992,993,994,995,996,997,998,999]},{"id":17,"transcript":"I think that it's kind of a weird appetite for pain or something or tolerance for pain that I have, uh.","start_time":"271.57","end_time":"279.309","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[1000,1001,1002,1003,1004,1005,1006,1007,1008,1009,1010,1011,1012,1013,1014,1015,1016,1017,1018,1019,1020,1021,1022]},{"id":18,"transcript":"And actually like the generally entrepreneurs going into big structures just don't sustain the overhead and BS that comes with a large company which forces you to spend all kinds of cycles doing things that are not really product-centering or customer centric, and they churn out, uh, and you know, I would have churned out too, but you know when you're into payments and you're asked to lead one of the most significant payments grants.","start_time":"279.839","end_time":"308.079","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[1023,1024,1025,1026,1027,1028,1029,1030,1031,1032,1033,1034,1035,1036,1037,1038,1039,1040,1041,1042,1043,1044,1045,1046,1047,1048,1049,1050,1051,1052,1053,1054,1055,1056,1057,1058,1059,1060,1061,1062,1063,1064,1065,1066,1067,1068,1069,1070,1071,1072,1073,1074,1075,1076,1077,1078,1079,1080,1081,1082,1083,1084,1085,1086,1087,1088,1089,1090,1091,1092,1093,1094,1095,1096,1097,1098,1099,1100,1101,1102,1103]},{"id":19,"transcript":"Uh, in the world at a time where I saw actually in a short 5 months there, I saw what I thought needed to happen for that company to actually function better, uh, and so it wasn't the thing I was going to turn down, um, and so next thing you know, it just, you know, went with it, uh, and, you know, when I, I was needing if I was like done with exactly what I just described.","start_time":"308.269","end_time":"331.779","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[1104,1105,1106,1107,1108,1109,1110,1111,1112,1113,1114,1115,1116,1117,1118,1119,1120,1121,1122,1123,1124,1125,1126,1127,1128,1129,1130,1131,1132,1133,1134,1135,1136,1137,1138,1139,1140,1141,1142,1143,1144,1145,1146,1147,1148,1149,1150,1151,1152,1153,1154,1155,1156,1157,1158,1159,1160,1161,1162,1163,1164,1165,1166,1167,1168,1169,1170,1171,1172,1173,1174,1175,1176,1177,1178,1179,1180,1181,1182,1183,1184,1185,1186,1187,1188,1189,1190,1191,1192,1193,1194,1195,1196,1197]},{"id":20,"transcript":"I wanted to go back to starting new companies, and that's when Mark reached out and, and, you know, really was an assistant, uh, to bring me on at Facebook. Um, and my thought there was, I'm just going to give it a shot. Like, you know, this is a really impressive guy here to go work with. 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It wasn't the first time Pa Paul so spoken a French CEO had been over at Zuckerberg's house for a meal, and Marcus figured it was just another social business thing, but he had hardly had time to dig into his salmon before Zuckerberg began the hard sell. 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Um, no, I mean, look, when he, uh, when we were done with pleasantries with, you know, which was basically 5 minutes, uh, he went straight to the point. He was like, look, messaging is going to be one of the most important trends of this next phase, um, and I'd love for you to come and read that, uh, for us.","start_time":"394.959","end_time":"416.17","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[1449,1450,1451,1452,1453,1454,1455,1456,1457,1458,1459,1460,1461,1462,1463,1464,1465,1466,1467,1468,1469,1470,1471,1472,1473,1474,1475,1476,1477,1478,1479,1480,1481,1482,1483,1484,1485,1486,1487,1488,1489,1490,1491,1492,1493,1494,1495,1496,1497,1498,1499,1500,1501,1502,1503,1504,1505,1506,1507,1508,1509,1510,1511,1512,1513,1514,1515,1516,1517,1518,1519,1520,1521,1522,1523,1524,1525,1526,1527,1528,1529,1530,1531,1532,1533,1534]},{"id":26,"transcript":"Uh, at first I kind of dismissed it entirely. I was like, what do you mean like I'm kind of, you know, running this big company called PayPal and just wanted to go be a random VP at a, you know, a company like Facebook that was, you know, an amazing company that I love the culture. Uh, I love, I, I love a lot of things about Facebook and they were my clients when I was building Zon, the company that I sold to PayPal.","start_time":"416.489","end_time":"441.14","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[1535,1536,1537,1538,1539,1540,1541,1542,1543,1544,1545,1546,1547,1548,1549,1550,1551,1552,1553,1554,1555,1556,1557,1558,1559,1560,1561,1562,1563,1564,1565,1566,1567,1568,1569,1570,1571,1572,1573,1574,1575,1576,1577,1578,1579,1580,1581,1582,1583,1584,1585,1586,1587,1588,1589,1590,1591,1592,1593,1594,1595,1596,1597,1598,1599,1600,1601,1602,1603,1604,1605,1606,1607,1608,1609,1610,1611,1612,1613,1614,1615,1616,1617,1618,1619,1620,1621,1622,1623,1624,1625,1626,1627,1628,1629,1630,1631,1632,1633,1634,1635]},{"id":27,"transcript":"Uh, but I was like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm just going to go build a startup. And, um, and he was really insistent. So basically, at that time, uh, I turned it down. I'm like, you know, I'm not going to do that. 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I was like, OK, this is an opportunity to go work with some of the, the brightest people in the world, uh, at scale. 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Um, and it was really intoxicating because we had so many ideas and features and by the time we formulated the ideas we got the team working on it, and we actually pushed it to hundreds of millions of people, uh, sometimes it was just a couple of weeks and, uh, and we could do many in parallel, so.","start_time":"571.619","end_time":"599.429","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[2143,2144,2145,2146,2147,2148,2149,2150,2151,2152,2153,2154,2155,2156,2157,2158,2159,2160,2161,2162,2163,2164,2165,2166,2167,2168,2169,2170,2171,2172,2173,2174,2175,2176,2177,2178,2179,2180,2181,2182,2183,2184,2185,2186,2187,2188,2189,2190,2191,2192,2193,2194,2195,2196,2197,2198,2199,2200,2201,2202,2203,2204,2205,2206,2207,2208,2209,2210,2211,2212,2213,2214,2215,2216,2217,2218,2219,2220,2221,2222,2223,2224,2225,2226,2227,2228,2229,2230,2231,2232,2233,2234,2235,2236,2237,2238,2239,2240]},{"id":36,"transcript":"We tried a number of different things. Some worked really, really well. Some didn't work, um, but we got the, the products from there to 1.5 billion people. And the one thing that not very many people talk about is we actually built a real business model for messaging, which are those.","start_time":"599.59","end_time":"616.51","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[2241,2242,2243,2244,2245,2246,2247,2248,2249,2250,2251,2252,2253,2254,2255,2256,2257,2258,2259,2260,2261,2262,2263,2264,2265,2266,2267,2268,2269,2270,2271,2272,2273,2274,2275,2276,2277,2278,2279,2280,2281,2282,2283,2284,2285,2286,2287,2288,2289,2290,2291,2292,2293,2294,2295,2296,2297,2298,2299,2300,2301]},{"id":37,"transcript":"Click to messenger ads or click to message ads, uh, which I think has been recently broken down, um, or broken up by, uh, by Facebook and their quarterly earnings, which is almost like we're north now of $10 billion annualized, uh, business. 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Um, and just because I, I'm a product guy at heart, and, you know, when you lead a 17,000 person organization, you're, you know, uh, shaking hands and kissing babies a lot and doing a lot of culture stuff versus product work, and I missed that a lot.","start_time":"668.599","end_time":"697.19","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[2482,2483,2484,2485,2486,2487,2488,2489,2490,2491,2492,2493,2494,2495,2496,2497,2498,2499,2500,2501,2502,2503,2504,2505,2506,2507,2508,2509,2510,2511,2512,2513,2514,2515,2516,2517,2518,2519,2520,2521,2522,2523,2524,2525,2526,2527,2528,2529,2530,2531,2532,2533,2534,2535,2536,2537,2538,2539,2540,2541,2542,2543,2544,2545,2546,2547,2548,2549,2550,2551,2552,2553,2554,2555,2556,2557,2558,2559,2560,2561,2562,2563,2564,2565,2566,2567,2568,2569,2570,2571,2572,2573,2574,2575,2576,2577,2578,2579,2580,2581,2582,2583,2584,2585,2586,2587]},{"id":40,"transcript":"And so going back to just focusing on one single product which was Messenger at the time and working with some of the best engineers I had ever worked with in my entire life and, and, and going at that breakneck speed, uh, at that scale was incredible. And, um, and, you know, that's why I made that choice and it was.","start_time":"697.359","end_time":"715.19","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[2588,2589,2590,2591,2592,2593,2594,2595,2596,2597,2598,2599,2600,2601,2602,2603,2604,2605,2606,2607,2608,2609,2610,2611,2612,2613,2614,2615,2616,2617,2618,2619,2620,2621,2622,2623,2624,2625,2626,2627,2628,2629,2630,2631,2632,2633,2634,2635,2636,2637,2638,2639,2640,2641,2642,2643,2644,2645,2646,2647,2648,2649,2650,2651,2652,2653,2654,2655,2656,2657,2658,2659]},{"id":41,"transcript":"Those first few years, like 2014 to let's say 2016, 2nd half of 2016 were incredible. They were some of the, the best years of, of buying career building products. It was just so great.","start_time":"715.369","end_time":"731.76","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[2660,2661,2662,2663,2664,2665,2666,2667,2668,2669,2670,2671,2672,2673,2674,2675,2676,2677,2678,2679,2680,2681,2682,2683,2684,2685,2686,2687,2688,2689,2690,2691,2692,2693,2694,2695,2696,2697,2698,2699,2700,2701]},{"id":42,"transcript":"And can you just talk about Libra and kind of what, what are the biggest misconceptions about the project and obviously a lot of it, um, your time is probably spent with regulators and um is there anything you've learned on the regulatory front? I think this is a lot of founders across industries are finding us to be.","start_time":"732.84","end_time":"751.45","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[2702,2703,2704,2705,2706,2707,2708,2709,2710,2711,2712,2713,2714,2715,2716,2717,2718,2719,2720,2721,2722,2723,2724,2725,2726,2727,2728,2729,2730,2731,2732,2733,2734,2735,2736,2737,2738,2739,2740,2741,2742,2743,2744,2745,2746,2747,2748,2749,2750,2751,2752,2753,2754,2755,2756,2757,2758,2759,2760,2761,2762,2763,2764,2765]},{"id":43,"transcript":"Their biggest challenge and we're seeing that with AI now, obviously in crypto but um I guess two parts of the question. 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I think we have 30","start_time":"767.08","end_time":"767.96","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[2814,2815,2816,2817,2818,2819,2820,2821,2822,2823,2824]},{"id":46,"transcript":"minutes,","start_time":"767.96","end_time":"768.219","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[2825,2826]},{"id":47,"transcript":"but, uh, I won't spend the full 30 minutes on this, but I could easily, um.","start_time":"768.28","end_time":"773.69","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[2827,2828,2829,2830,2831,2832,2833,2834,2835,2836,2837,2838,2839,2840,2841,2842,2843,2844,2845,2846,2847]},{"id":48,"transcript":"So yeah, Messenger basically got to cruising altitude and kind of getting boring and uh it sounds like the right time to, to your earlier question about pitching more about an idea. This was the time where I'm like, OK, you know, we have 3.5 billion people we reach every month. We have the best uh graph for payments with Messenger and uh more importantly with WhatsApp.","start_time":"773.989","end_time":"797.729","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[2848,2849,2850,2851,2852,2853,2854,2855,2856,2857,2858,2859,2860,2861,2862,2863,2864,2865,2866,2867,2868,2869,2870,2871,2872,2873,2874,2875,2876,2877,2878,2879,2880,2881,2882,2883,2884,2885,2886,2887,2888,2889,2890,2891,2892,2893,2894,2895,2896,2897,2898,2899,2900,2901,2902,2903,2904,2905,2906,2907,2908,2909,2910,2911,2912,2913,2914,2915,2916,2917,2918,2919,2920,2921,2922]},{"id":49,"transcript":"Uh, and we could actually really build something that's open, that's inoperable, that's like a real open protocol for money on the internet, which was something that I was really frustrated by over the course of many years of the payments. In fact, that money still moves the same way it moved, you know, 50 plus years ago. And, um, and so the pitch was, look, we have everything we need. 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Uh, we, we, the Libra original Libra Association was 28 very significant companies, including payments companies, uh, that joined us to go build this thing.","start_time":"820.859","end_time":"846.19","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[3017,3018,3019,3020,3021,3022,3023,3024,3025,3026,3027,3028,3029,3030,3031,3032,3033,3034,3035,3036,3037,3038,3039,3040,3041,3042,3043,3044,3045,3046,3047,3048,3049,3050,3051,3052,3053,3054,3055,3056,3057,3058,3059,3060,3061,3062,3063,3064,3065,3066,3067,3068,3069,3070,3071,3072,3073,3074,3075,3076,3077,3078,3079,3080,3081,3082,3083,3084,3085,3086,3087,3088,3089,3090,3091,3092,3093,3094,3095,3096,3097,3098,3099,3100,3101,3102,3103]},{"id":51,"transcript":"And, uh, and so the lesson here, uh, actually, my, my initial thought was to do it outside of Facebook, um, but Mark really wanted to build it inside of Facebook and gave me a lot of autonomy to go about it, which we ended up doing because it was worth a shot. 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Uh, it turns out that governments really care a lot about their own currencies, which I, I kind of knew. I'm just like, you know, exaggerating a bit, but we were a little naive that, you know, Facebook, which, you know, by the time we had started the project.","start_time":"901.75","end_time":"930.099","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[3301,3302,3303,3304,3305,3306,3307,3308,3309,3310,3311,3312,3313,3314,3315,3316,3317,3318,3319,3320,3321,3322,3323,3324,3325,3326,3327,3328,3329,3330,3331,3332,3333,3334,3335,3336,3337,3338,3339,3340,3341,3342,3343,3344,3345,3346,3347,3348,3349,3350,3351,3352,3353,3354,3355,3356,3357,3358,3359,3360,3361,3362,3363,3364,3365,3366,3367,3368,3369,3370,3371,3372,3373,3374,3375,3376,3377,3378,3379,3380,3381,3382,3383,3384,3385,3386,3387,3388,3389,3390,3391,3392,3393,3394,3395,3396,3397,3398,3399]},{"id":54,"transcript":"The winds were starting to turn already on Facebook's brands and reputation at the time. By the time we announced the project, it, it was really bad. And so you're trying to launch a thing which will establish a new unit of account for retail payments that is going to be launched and sponsored by a company that's really not popular at that time and not trusted at that time, much better now.","start_time":"930.44","end_time":"954.21","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[3400,3401,3402,3403,3404,3405,3406,3407,3408,3409,3410,3411,3412,3413,3414,3415,3416,3417,3418,3419,3420,3421,3422,3423,3424,3425,3426,3427,3428,3429,3430,3431,3432,3433,3434,3435,3436,3437,3438,3439,3440,3441,3442,3443,3444,3445,3446,3447,3448,3449,3450,3451,3452,3453,3454,3455,3456,3457,3458,3459,3460,3461,3462,3463,3464,3465,3466,3467,3468,3469,3470,3471,3472,3473,3474,3475,3476,3477,3478]},{"id":55,"transcript":"Um, and, uh, and you're doing it in a very like we're going to just change the game and give people access to cheap free, almost, uh, real-time payments, um, globally at the scale of billions of people. So everyone freaked out at once, where it's like instantly every single central bank governor, regulator, uh, really, really, uh, got worried and, uh, and so we spent.","start_time":"954.39","end_time":"982.63","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[3479,3480,3481,3482,3483,3484,3485,3486,3487,3488,3489,3490,3491,3492,3493,3494,3495,3496,3497,3498,3499,3500,3501,3502,3503,3504,3505,3506,3507,3508,3509,3510,3511,3512,3513,3514,3515,3516,3517,3518,3519,3520,3521,3522,3523,3524,3525,3526,3527,3528,3529,3530,3531,3532,3533,3534,3535,3536,3537,3538,3539,3540,3541,3542,3543,3544,3545,3546,3547,3548,3549,3550,3551,3552,3553,3554,3555,3556,3557,3558,3559,3560,3561,3562,3563]},{"id":56,"transcript":"The next 2 years, uh, trying to go convince regulators that the way that we had built this was actually thoughtful, respectful of regulations and all these things, but","start_time":"983.0","end_time":"993.77","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[3564,3565,3566,3567,3568,3569,3570,3571,3572,3573,3574,3575,3576,3577,3578,3579,3580,3581,3582,3583,3584,3585,3586,3587,3588,3589,3590,3591,3592,3593,3594,3595,3596]},{"id":57,"transcript":"It didn't matter that we had every right to actually launch this thing from a regulatory standpoint and legal standpoint. It was just a political uh pressure that ultimately killed that project, and it was just, uh, you know, the wrong sponsor.","start_time":"994.0","end_time":"1013.679","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[3597,3598,3599,3600,3601,3602,3603,3604,3605,3606,3607,3608,3609,3610,3611,3612,3613,3614,3615,3616,3617,3618,3619,3620,3621,3622,3623,3624,3625,3626,3627,3628,3629,3630,3631,3632,3633,3634,3635,3636,3637,3638,3639,3640,3641,3642,3643,3644]},{"id":58,"transcript":"Um, and the wrong design of the project to be completely candid. Like, you know, if you're building a stable coin, which is kind of a new unit of account that has, uh, to have a reserve that's managed centrally, uh, then you're exposing yourself to a single fat to choke because one entity is managing that underlying reserve and as such can be choked. Uh, and so that was, uh, I think that we tried to work around as much as we could, but it was really hard to eliminate that vulnerability.","start_time":"1014.09","end_time":"1042.979","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[3645,3646,3647,3648,3649,3650,3651,3652,3653,3654,3655,3656,3657,3658,3659,3660,3661,3662,3663,3664,3665,3666,3667,3668,3669,3670,3671,3672,3673,3674,3675,3676,3677,3678,3679,3680,3681,3682,3683,3684,3685,3686,3687,3688,3689,3690,3691,3692,3693,3694,3695,3696,3697,3698,3699,3700,3701,3702,3703,3704,3705,3706,3707,3708,3709,3710,3711,3712,3713,3714,3715,3716,3717,3718,3719,3720,3721,3722,3723,3724,3725,3726,3727,3728,3729,3730,3731,3732,3733,3734,3735,3736,3737,3738,3739,3740,3741,3742,3743,3744,3745,3746,3747,3748,3749,3750,3751,3752]},{"id":59,"transcript":"I'm always classified people who um have success if they come and go back to being a founder because life, life is so good, comfortable, um, you, there's something about you that needs to start a company again. Um, and I, I read a quote that maybe explains this, but you said you have to be a little crazy to build a startup. Having had a startup and big tech experiences, I've diagnosed myself with an unhealthy addiction to the same highs and lows and paranoid paranoid nights of startup life.","start_time":"1044.619","end_time":"1072.689","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[3753,3754,3755,3756,3757,3758,3759,3760,3761,3762,3763,3764,3765,3766,3767,3768,3769,3770,3771,3772,3773,3774,3775,3776,3777,3778,3779,3780,3781,3782,3783,3784,3785,3786,3787,3788,3789,3790,3791,3792,3793,3794,3795,3796,3797,3798,3799,3800,3801,3802,3803,3804,3805,3806,3807,3808,3809,3810,3811,3812,3813,3814,3815,3816,3817,3818,3819,3820,3821,3822,3823,3824,3825,3826,3827,3828,3829,3830,3831,3832,3833,3834,3835,3836,3837,3838,3839,3840,3841,3842,3843,3844,3845,3846,3847,3848,3849,3850,3851,3852,3853,3854,3855]},{"id":60,"transcript":"Uh, can you talk about just your, um, whatever it is in you that drives you to, to, to do this again, and then, um, maybe just touch on what your, what your feelings are.","start_time":"1073.14","end_time":"1083.16","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[3856,3857,3858,3859,3860,3861,3862,3863,3864,3865,3866,3867,3868,3869,3870,3871,3872,3873,3874,3875,3876,3877,3878,3879,3880,3881,3882,3883,3884,3885,3886,3887,3888,3889,3890,3891,3892,3893,3894,3895,3896,3897,3898,3899,3900]},{"id":61,"transcript":"I don't know where to start on this, um.","start_time":"1084.76","end_time":"1087.969","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[3901,3902,3903,3904,3905,3906,3907,3908,3909,3910,3911]},{"id":62,"transcript":"So for me, it feels like you, if you're going to be successful at doing this, you're either very young and foolish, uh, because you don't know what you're getting into and you don't realize how hard it's going to be, and that's fine. Uh, and, you know, some people realize it's really way harder than they thought that they just, you know, throw the towel and go do something else, and other, others just persevere and push on.","start_time":"1088.77","end_time":"1113.939","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[3912,3913,3914,3915,3916,3917,3918,3919,3920,3921,3922,3923,3924,3925,3926,3927,3928,3929,3930,3931,3932,3933,3934,3935,3936,3937,3938,3939,3940,3941,3942,3943,3944,3945,3946,3947,3948,3949,3950,3951,3952,3953,3954,3955,3956,3957,3958,3959,3960,3961,3962,3963,3964,3965,3966,3967,3968,3969,3970,3971,3972,3973,3974,3975,3976,3977,3978,3979,3980,3981,3982,3983,3984,3985,3986,3987,3988,3989,3990,3991,3992,3993,3994,3995,3996,3997,3998,3999,4000,4001,4002,4003,4004,4005]},{"id":63,"transcript":"Um, but I think, you know, at, at our ages, like, you know, when you get older, uh, you definitely have to be animated by something that really, really motivated, motivates you or pisses you off like in a really profound way. Um, and for me, it's kind of this unfinished business, uh, that, you know, the, the way that money moves around the world today is unacceptable. It's crazy.","start_time":"1114.17","end_time":"1141.469","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4006,4007,4008,4009,4010,4011,4012,4013,4014,4015,4016,4017,4018,4019,4020,4021,4022,4023,4024,4025,4026,4027,4028,4029,4030,4031,4032,4033,4034,4035,4036,4037,4038,4039,4040,4041,4042,4043,4044,4045,4046,4047,4048,4049,4050,4051,4052,4053,4054,4055,4056,4057,4058,4059,4060,4061,4062,4063,4064,4065,4066,4067,4068,4069,4070,4071,4072,4073,4074,4075,4076,4077,4078,4079,4080,4081,4082,4083,4084,4085,4086,4087,4088,4089,4090,4091,4092,4093,4094,4095,4096]},{"id":64,"transcript":"It's crazy that money doesn't travel on the internet like everything else. And, uh, and I've decided that I was going to fix this or help fix it, uh, and change the way money moved around the world as kind of my life's pursuit, and I was going to do it or die trying, but that's the only thing that I was going to do for the rest of my life. That's it, period. Um, and that's the motivation. So I love it because I, I have absolute clarity that this is the thing I want to do, nothing else.","start_time":"1141.719","end_time":"1171.03","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4097,4098,4099,4100,4101,4102,4103,4104,4105,4106,4107,4108,4109,4110,4111,4112,4113,4114,4115,4116,4117,4118,4119,4120,4121,4122,4123,4124,4125,4126,4127,4128,4129,4130,4131,4132,4133,4134,4135,4136,4137,4138,4139,4140,4141,4142,4143,4144,4145,4146,4147,4148,4149,4150,4151,4152,4153,4154,4155,4156,4157,4158,4159,4160,4161,4162,4163,4164,4165,4166,4167,4168,4169,4170,4171,4172,4173,4174,4175,4176,4177,4178,4179,4180,4181,4182,4183,4184,4185,4186,4187,4188,4189,4190,4191,4192,4193,4194,4195,4196,4197,4198,4199,4200,4201,4202,4203,4204,4205,4206,4207,4208,4209,4210,4211]},{"id":65,"transcript":"And, uh, and, you know, I've tried to set it up in a way where I have everything I need to actually go do it, and it's just really exhilarating to be in that position.","start_time":"1171.17","end_time":"1180.64","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4212,4213,4214,4215,4216,4217,4218,4219,4220,4221,4222,4223,4224,4225,4226,4227,4228,4229,4230,4231,4232,4233,4234,4235,4236,4237,4238,4239,4240,4241,4242,4243,4244,4245,4246,4247,4248,4249,4250,4251,4252]},{"id":66,"transcript":"Can you give the room just uh like a 1 or 2 minute TED talk about how money moves today, because I think we take for granted um how archaic this architecture has been, and I've heard you explain it before I was scribbling notes, but it, it really is a passing, um, less","start_time":"1181.9","end_time":"1199.02","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[4253,4254,4255,4256,4257,4258,4259,4260,4261,4262,4263,4264,4265,4266,4267,4268,4269,4270,4271,4272,4273,4274,4275,4276,4277,4278,4279,4280,4281,4282,4283,4284,4285,4286,4287,4288,4289,4290,4291,4292,4293,4294,4295,4296,4297,4298,4299,4300,4301,4302,4303,4304,4305,4306,4307,4308,4309,4310,4311,4312]},{"id":67,"transcript":"you can get.","start_time":"1199.02","end_time":"1199.68","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[4313,4314,4315,4316]},{"id":68,"transcript":"Yeah, sure. So in the US when I talked about how money is broken, it's true that, and I'm glad you asked the question because it's true that most people are like, I don't know what you're talking about. I can Venmo people, I can cash out people. Uh, and then I ask people, OK, so can you Venmo money to someone on Cash App? No, you can't. So it's a little bit like you're on Gmail and you can't email anyone that's not on Gmail.","start_time":"1200.229","end_time":"1226.91","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4317,4318,4319,4320,4321,4322,4323,4324,4325,4326,4327,4328,4329,4330,4331,4332,4333,4334,4335,4336,4337,4338,4339,4340,4341,4342,4343,4344,4345,4346,4347,4348,4349,4350,4351,4352,4353,4354,4355,4356,4357,4358,4359,4360,4361,4362,4363,4364,4365,4366,4367,4368,4369,4370,4371,4372,4373,4374,4375,4376,4377,4378,4379,4380,4381,4382,4383,4384,4385,4386,4387,4388,4389,4390,4391,4392,4393,4394,4395,4396,4397,4398,4399,4400,4401,4402,4403,4404,4405,4406,4407,4408,4409,4410,4411,4412,4413,4414,4415,4416,4417]},{"id":69,"transcript":"Um, and so the way the world works today is you have uh uh a proliferation, and that's actually a proliferation of domestic cheap real-time payment systems. Uh, eventually in the US we'll get one, it's called Fen now, um, but, uh, in Europe you have SEPA, and in Brazil you have Pigs, in India you have UPI, you have real-time payment systems, uh, everywhere in Southeast Asia.","start_time":"1227.219","end_time":"1251.449","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4418,4419,4420,4421,4422,4423,4424,4425,4426,4427,4428,4429,4430,4431,4432,4433,4434,4435,4436,4437,4438,4439,4440,4441,4442,4443,4444,4445,4446,4447,4448,4449,4450,4451,4452,4453,4454,4455,4456,4457,4458,4459,4460,4461,4462,4463,4464,4465,4466,4467,4468,4469,4470,4471,4472,4473,4474,4475,4476,4477,4478,4479,4480,4481,4482,4483,4484,4485,4486,4487,4488,4489,4490,4491,4492,4493,4494,4495,4496,4497,4498,4499,4500]},{"id":70,"transcript":"Uh, and the problem is those systems actually have a different account standard. Uh, so the account format like in the US is, you know, routing and checking, uh, in Europe, it's an IBAN, and, you know, uh, Brazil, it's a fixed IT, um, so the account formats are different, the currencies are different, the payment systems are different.","start_time":"1251.64","end_time":"1274.31","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4501,4502,4503,4504,4505,4506,4507,4508,4509,4510,4511,4512,4513,4514,4515,4516,4517,4518,4519,4520,4521,4522,4523,4524,4525,4526,4527,4528,4529,4530,4531,4532,4533,4534,4535,4536,4537,4538,4539,4540,4541,4542,4543,4544,4545,4546,4547,4548,4549,4550,4551,4552,4553,4554,4555,4556,4557,4558,4559,4560,4561,4562,4563,4564,4565,4566,4567,4568,4569,4570,4571,4572,4573,4574,4575,4576,4577]},{"id":71,"transcript":"And the way they interoperate with one another is through the corresponding banking system and Swift. Swift is, I think, almost older than I am, um, and so it's old, and, uh, and, you know, it doesn't move money in real time. Uh, it's uh it's a bad processed, uh, net settlement system between banks.","start_time":"1274.51","end_time":"1298.589","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4578,4579,4580,4581,4582,4583,4584,4585,4586,4587,4588,4589,4590,4591,4592,4593,4594,4595,4596,4597,4598,4599,4600,4601,4602,4603,4604,4605,4606,4607,4608,4609,4610,4611,4612,4613,4614,4615,4616,4617,4618,4619,4620,4621,4622,4623,4624,4625,4626,4627,4628,4629,4630,4631,4632,4633,4634,4635,4636,4637,4638,4639,4640,4641,4642,4643,4644,4645,4646,4647]},{"id":72,"transcript":"Uh, it starts working Friday after 5 p.m. It's really expensive, so in the US if you want to use it as a consumer, you have to pay between 45 to $50 for a simple wire transfer.","start_time":"1298.859","end_time":"1310.4","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4648,4649,4650,4651,4652,4653,4654,4655,4656,4657,4658,4659,4660,4661,4662,4663,4664,4665,4666,4667,4668,4669,4670,4671,4672,4673,4674,4675,4676,4677,4678,4679,4680,4681,4682,4683,4684,4685,4686,4687,4688]},{"id":73,"transcript":"Um, and that's the way actually money moves around the world. Like, you know, it's, I, I often joked that when I was running PayPal, we acquired Venmo with Braintree at the time, and you still cannot send money between Venmo and PayPal despite the fact that there's the same company. It's like ridiculous. So think about how hard it is internationally. So some apps have figured out a way to do it within the same app, but that's kind of a database, uh, you know.","start_time":"1310.619","end_time":"1336.359","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4689,4690,4691,4692,4693,4694,4695,4696,4697,4698,4699,4700,4701,4702,4703,4704,4705,4706,4707,4708,4709,4710,4711,4712,4713,4714,4715,4716,4717,4718,4719,4720,4721,4722,4723,4724,4725,4726,4727,4728,4729,4730,4731,4732,4733,4734,4735,4736,4737,4738,4739,4740,4741,4742,4743,4744,4745,4746,4747,4748,4749,4750,4751,4752,4753,4754,4755,4756,4757,4758,4759,4760,4761,4762,4763,4764,4765,4766,4767,4768,4769,4770,4771,4772,4773,4774,4775,4776,4777,4778,4779,4780,4781,4782,4783,4784,4785,4786,4787,4788,4789]},{"id":74,"transcript":"A database change, right? You're not actually moving money and so money doesn't move natively on the internet. There's just no way to do it, uh, in a standardized apple each way, uh, and, uh, and, you know, SWIFT and correspondent banking is still processing about $5 trillion a day despite all of its inefficiencies and costs.","start_time":"1337.069","end_time":"1357.459","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4790,4791,4792,4793,4794,4795,4796,4797,4798,4799,4800,4801,4802,4803,4804,4805,4806,4807,4808,4809,4810,4811,4812,4813,4814,4815,4816,4817,4818,4819,4820,4821,4822,4823,4824,4825,4826,4827,4828,4829,4830,4831,4832,4833,4834,4835,4836,4837,4838,4839,4840,4841,4842,4843,4844,4845,4846,4847,4848,4849,4850,4851,4852,4853,4854,4855,4856,4857,4858]},{"id":75,"transcript":"So we, we have a lot of opportunity to truly build an open protocol for money on the internet that is open 24/7, developer friendly, and that enables people to settle money in real time at any given time of the day and night or weekends, uh, in any currency with any account formats, and that's what we're building.","start_time":"1357.719","end_time":"1376.849","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[4859,4860,4861,4862,4863,4864,4865,4866,4867,4868,4869,4870,4871,4872,4873,4874,4875,4876,4877,4878,4879,4880,4881,4882,4883,4884,4885,4886,4887,4888,4889,4890,4891,4892,4893,4894,4895,4896,4897,4898,4899,4900,4901,4902,4903,4904,4905,4906,4907,4908,4909,4910,4911,4912,4913,4914,4915,4916,4917,4918,4919,4920,4921,4922,4923,4924]},{"id":76,"transcript":"Thanks we hear a pitch and you give a two-minute question if they can answer it that well, um, maybe you invest in the company that that's also gonna be a good party trick for any of us. Next time we see a demo we can explain how money moves. So, um, thanks for that lesson. In, in terms of just the architecture, so you guys are using lightning network and Bitcoin, um, can you just talk about those decisions, uh, and then why you think that's the best way to go.","start_time":"1378.089","end_time":"1402.81","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[4925,4926,4927,4928,4929,4930,4931,4932,4933,4934,4935,4936,4937,4938,4939,4940,4941,4942,4943,4944,4945,4946,4947,4948,4949,4950,4951,4952,4953,4954,4955,4956,4957,4958,4959,4960,4961,4962,4963,4964,4965,4966,4967,4968,4969,4970,4971,4972,4973,4974,4975,4976,4977,4978,4979,4980,4981,4982,4983,4984,4985,4986,4987,4988,4989,4990,4991,4992,4993,4994,4995,4996,4997,4998,4999,5000,5001,5002,5003,5004,5005,5006,5007,5008,5009,5010,5011,5012,5013,5014,5015,5016,5017,5018,5019,5020,5021,5022,5023,5024,5025,5026,5027,5028,5029,5030]},{"id":77,"transcript":"Yeah, uh, there are easier ways to do this. Um, so 11 of the alternatives to using Bitcoin, uh, as a solution here would be to use stablecoins on top of Solana or any of these things, right? The problem with this is we're back to the problem I was describing earlier that if you're using a stable coin, then you have a centralized operator of the original backing that stable coin. And if a country doesn't like it for some reason.","start_time":"1403.25","end_time":"1432.31","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5031,5032,5033,5034,5035,5036,5037,5038,5039,5040,5041,5042,5043,5044,5045,5046,5047,5048,5049,5050,5051,5052,5053,5054,5055,5056,5057,5058,5059,5060,5061,5062,5063,5064,5065,5066,5067,5068,5069,5070,5071,5072,5073,5074,5075,5076,5077,5078,5079,5080,5081,5082,5083,5084,5085,5086,5087,5088,5089,5090,5091,5092,5093,5094,5095,5096,5097,5098,5099,5100,5101,5102,5103,5104,5105,5106,5107,5108,5109,5110,5111,5112,5113,5114,5115,5116,5117,5118,5119,5120,5121,5122,5123]},{"id":78,"transcript":"And they just want to tell, uh, you know, the operator of the stable coin, don't operate in my country, then they'll have to comply. Uh, and so you can't really build a truly global reach neutral asset. It also won't be liked by everyone like because, you know, if you're using a US dollar stablecoin in Europe, they will want the euro stablecoin, and in other countries they'll want their own. And so there's no net neutral settlement assets.","start_time":"1432.79","end_time":"1460.5","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5124,5125,5126,5127,5128,5129,5130,5131,5132,5133,5134,5135,5136,5137,5138,5139,5140,5141,5142,5143,5144,5145,5146,5147,5148,5149,5150,5151,5152,5153,5154,5155,5156,5157,5158,5159,5160,5161,5162,5163,5164,5165,5166,5167,5168,5169,5170,5171,5172,5173,5174,5175,5176,5177,5178,5179,5180,5181,5182,5183,5184,5185,5186,5187,5188,5189,5190,5191,5192,5193,5194,5195,5196,5197,5198,5199,5200,5201,5202,5203,5204,5205,5206,5207,5208,5209,5210,5211,5212,5213,5214,5215,5216,5217]},{"id":79,"transcript":"That can be used as a sort of TCPID packet for money uh on the internet other than Bitcoin because Bitcoin is truly decentralized. It's the most neutral form of money ever invented since the beginning of humanity. Really, it's the most neutral form of money when you think about it. All of its properties are encoded within its code base, and we all know how it works.","start_time":"1461.05","end_time":"1487.239","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5218,5219,5220,5221,5222,5223,5224,5225,5226,5227,5228,5229,5230,5231,5232,5233,5234,5235,5236,5237,5238,5239,5240,5241,5242,5243,5244,5245,5246,5247,5248,5249,5250,5251,5252,5253,5254,5255,5256,5257,5258,5259,5260,5261,5262,5263,5264,5265,5266,5267,5268,5269,5270,5271,5272,5273,5274,5275,5276,5277,5278,5279,5280,5281,5282,5283,5284,5285,5286,5287,5288,5289,5290,5291]},{"id":80,"transcript":"Uh, if you spend the time, but you know how it works, and so you can use it as a net neutral settlement asset between currencies. So let's say that I'm in the US and I want to send money to someone in Mexico, uh, I can use what we announced in late October, which is thisUMA standard, this universal money in US standard. I'll have a dollar sign.","start_time":"1487.489","end_time":"1509.239","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5292,5293,5294,5295,5296,5297,5298,5299,5300,5301,5302,5303,5304,5305,5306,5307,5308,5309,5310,5311,5312,5313,5314,5315,5316,5317,5318,5319,5320,5321,5322,5323,5324,5325,5326,5327,5328,5329,5330,5331,5332,5333,5334,5335,5336,5337,5338,5339,5340,5341,5342,5343,5344,5345,5346,5347,5348,5349,5350,5351,5352,5353,5354,5355,5356,5357,5358,5359,5360,5361,5362,5363,5364,5365,5366,5367,5368,5369,5370]},{"id":81,"transcript":"David, you know, let's say Cash App implements its dollar sign David at Cash App, and you're in Mexico and I'll send you, uh, $10 you'll receive peso. You'll never know Bitcoin and my name is in the middle, uh, but that's what will actually transport the value of the internet mainly uh in a split second.","start_time":"1509.25","end_time":"1531.01","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5371,5372,5373,5374,5375,5376,5377,5378,5379,5380,5381,5382,5383,5384,5385,5386,5387,5388,5389,5390,5391,5392,5393,5394,5395,5396,5397,5398,5399,5400,5401,5402,5403,5404,5405,5406,5407,5408,5409,5410,5411,5412,5413,5414,5415,5416,5417,5418,5419,5420,5421,5422,5423,5424,5425,5426,5427,5428,5429,5430,5431,5432,5433,5434,5435,5436]},{"id":82,"transcript":"And uh and that, that, you know, looks and feels like internet but for money and uh and that's why we built it on top of Bitcoin and lightning because it's the most neutral form of money and settlement network.","start_time":"1531.239","end_time":"1542.849","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5437,5438,5439,5440,5441,5442,5443,5444,5445,5446,5447,5448,5449,5450,5451,5452,5453,5454,5455,5456,5457,5458,5459,5460,5461,5462,5463,5464,5465,5466,5467,5468,5469,5470,5471,5472,5473,5474,5475,5476,5477,5478,5479,5480]},{"id":83,"transcript":"We're gonna switch gears and it's, it's a section I'm calling explained 3 tweets, which is everyone's nightmare, right? Asking, asking yourself to explain 3 tweets from the archives, but, uh, it's fun. So 1st, 1st 1 is to predict the future of anything, look at the incentives. It'll work with literally everything parenthood, society, companies, countries, the economy, everything. It sounds obvious, but learning how to truly understand this and decode incentives takes a while.","start_time":"1545.01","end_time":"1574.14","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[5481,5482,5483,5484,5485,5486,5487,5488,5489,5490,5491,5492,5493,5494,5495,5496,5497,5498,5499,5500,5501,5502,5503,5504,5505,5506,5507,5508,5509,5510,5511,5512,5513,5514,5515,5516,5517,5518,5519,5520,5521,5522,5523,5524,5525,5526,5527,5528,5529,5530,5531,5532,5533,5534,5535,5536,5537,5538,5539,5540,5541,5542,5543,5544,5545,5546,5547,5548,5549,5550,5551,5552,5553,5554,5555,5556,5557,5558,5559,5560,5561,5562,5563,5564,5565,5566,5567,5568,5569,5570,5571,5572,5573,5574,5575,5576]},{"id":84,"transcript":"What did you mean by that tweet?","start_time":"1574.969","end_time":"1576.439","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[5577,5578,5579,5580,5581,5582,5583,5584]},{"id":85,"transcript":"I was, I was, I was interested by the parenthood part as a new, a relatively new dad, but, um, but it isn't, uh,","start_time":"1576.959","end_time":"1585.15","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[5585,5586,5587,5588,5589,5590,5591,5592,5593,5594,5595,5596,5597,5598,5599,5600,5601,5602,5603,5604,5605,5606,5607,5608,5609,5610,5611,5612,5613,5614,5615,5616]},{"id":86,"transcript":"yeah, I mean, if you're a parent, like the incentives you give your kids will, you know, I mean, of course, there's the part of like your kids are who they are and there's, you know, little changing bad parts, but in terms of the part that we can play as parents.","start_time":"1585.439","end_time":"1602.04","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5617,5618,5619,5620,5621,5622,5623,5624,5625,5626,5627,5628,5629,5630,5631,5632,5633,5634,5635,5636,5637,5638,5639,5640,5641,5642,5643,5644,5645,5646,5647,5648,5649,5650,5651,5652,5653,5654,5655,5656,5657,5658,5659,5660,5661,5662,5663,5664,5665,5666,5667,5668,5669,5670,5671,5672,5673,5674,5675,5676,5677,5678,5679]},{"id":87,"transcript":"The incentives that we set for children will kind of determine uh whether they're going to be a successful parent or not, right? And I think, uh, I think that's true for everything, like, you know, when you look at the economy, look at the incentives, who's going to profit from what and how, but really, really try to, you know, double click, triple click, click on that whole thing all the way down to the essence of the incentive, and then you can predict where it's going to go.","start_time":"1602.479","end_time":"1627.599","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5680,5681,5682,5683,5684,5685,5686,5687,5688,5689,5690,5691,5692,5693,5694,5695,5696,5697,5698,5699,5700,5701,5702,5703,5704,5705,5706,5707,5708,5709,5710,5711,5712,5713,5714,5715,5716,5717,5718,5719,5720,5721,5722,5723,5724,5725,5726,5727,5728,5729,5730,5731,5732,5733,5734,5735,5736,5737,5738,5739,5740,5741,5742,5743,5744,5745,5746,5747,5748,5749,5750,5751,5752,5753,5754,5755,5756,5757,5758,5759,5760,5761,5762,5763,5764,5765,5766,5767,5768,5769,5770,5771,5772,5773,5774,5775,5776,5777,5778,5779,5780,5781,5782,5783,5784,5785,5786]},{"id":88,"transcript":"And um and I think we have a lot of issues with that. Once you understand really the those incentives, when you understand the incentives that are behind, you know, certain governments or certain leaders, uh, you can really unpack where it's going to go ahead.","start_time":"1627.89","end_time":"1643.869","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5787,5788,5789,5790,5791,5792,5793,5794,5795,5796,5797,5798,5799,5800,5801,5802,5803,5804,5805,5806,5807,5808,5809,5810,5811,5812,5813,5814,5815,5816,5817,5818,5819,5820,5821,5822,5823,5824,5825,5826,5827,5828,5829,5830,5831,5832,5833,5834,5835,5836,5837,5838,5839]},{"id":89,"transcript":"Tweet number 2, a really good self-inflicted forcing function is ask yourself that if every workday, week, month, whether you're satisfied with the progress you've made in that period. Daily is the most important one. It'll push you to drive harder the next day, and it will come compound. Uh, what are ways that you push yourself daily to to just become better?","start_time":"1645.219","end_time":"1666.81","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[5840,5841,5842,5843,5844,5845,5846,5847,5848,5849,5850,5851,5852,5853,5854,5855,5856,5857,5858,5859,5860,5861,5862,5863,5864,5865,5866,5867,5868,5869,5870,5871,5872,5873,5874,5875,5876,5877,5878,5879,5880,5881,5882,5883,5884,5885,5886,5887,5888,5889,5890,5891,5892,5893,5894,5895,5896,5897,5898,5899,5900,5901,5902,5903,5904,5905,5906,5907,5908,5909,5910,5911,5912]},{"id":90,"transcript":"Well, I mean, that, that's just a reflection of, you know, at the end of every day, just ask yourself, are you happy with the progress you made? Are you, are you feeling great about the progress you've made in that day, you know, do the same for at the end of every week, at the end of every month, at the end of every period. Um, and the answer is often not. The the the answer is often, no, I could have done more things. I didn't get to doing all the things that I wanted to do and","start_time":"1667.469","end_time":"1694.729","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[5913,5914,5915,5916,5917,5918,5919,5920,5921,5922,5923,5924,5925,5926,5927,5928,5929,5930,5931,5932,5933,5934,5935,5936,5937,5938,5939,5940,5941,5942,5943,5944,5945,5946,5947,5948,5949,5950,5951,5952,5953,5954,5955,5956,5957,5958,5959,5960,5961,5962,5963,5964,5965,5966,5967,5968,5969,5970,5971,5972,5973,5974,5975,5976,5977,5978,5979,5980,5981,5982,5983,5984,5985,5986,5987,5988,5989,5990,5991,5992,5993,5994,5995,5996,5997,5998,5999,6000,6001,6002,6003,6004,6005,6006,6007,6008,6009,6010,6011,6012,6013,6014,6015,6016,6017,6018,6019,6020,6021,6022,6023,6024,6025,6026,6027,6028,6029,6030,6031]},{"id":91,"transcript":"Then you can actually analyze on why that is. It's like, you know, what did I do? Did I have like 3 meetings that were really not meaningful or didn't advanced thing that I wanted to get done? So next time, just don't take the meetings likely decline that. That's an art to likely decline all kinds of different things. Um, and learning to do that comfortably is actually going to be more time for you to do the things you want to do. So this is kind of a a helpful trick.","start_time":"1694.939","end_time":"1719.92","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[6032,6033,6034,6035,6036,6037,6038,6039,6040,6041,6042,6043,6044,6045,6046,6047,6048,6049,6050,6051,6052,6053,6054,6055,6056,6057,6058,6059,6060,6061,6062,6063,6064,6065,6066,6067,6068,6069,6070,6071,6072,6073,6074,6075,6076,6077,6078,6079,6080,6081,6082,6083,6084,6085,6086,6087,6088,6089,6090,6091,6092,6093,6094,6095,6096,6097,6098,6099,6100,6101,6102,6103,6104,6105,6106,6107,6108,6109,6110,6111,6112,6113,6114,6115,6116,6117,6118,6119,6120,6121,6122,6123,6124,6125,6126,6127,6128,6129,6130,6131,6132,6133,6134,6135]},{"id":92,"transcript":"Uh, that I've used a lot and I continue to use, uh, to try to push harder. Otherwise, you can, a year goes by like this, you know, so you can just chug along and, you know, then you're not getting closer to the destination, if there's","start_time":"1720.27","end_time":"1737.349","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[6136,6137,6138,6139,6140,6141,6142,6143,6144,6145,6146,6147,6148,6149,6150,6151,6152,6153,6154,6155,6156,6157,6158,6159,6160,6161,6162,6163,6164,6165,6166,6167,6168,6169,6170,6171,6172,6173,6174,6175,6176,6177,6178,6179,6180,6181,6182,6183,6184,6185,6186,6187,6188,6189,6190,6191,6192,6193]},{"id":93,"transcript":"such a thing.","start_time":"1737.349","end_time":"1738.04","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[6194,6195,6196,6197]},{"id":94,"transcript":"Well, I hope our meets the the other day task but um.","start_time":"1738.65","end_time":"1743.16","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[6198,6199,6200,6201,6202,6203,6204,6205,6206,6207,6208,6209,6210,6211]},{"id":95,"transcript":"I, I like that method. The last, the last week would just be some founders who raised a lot of money to really have and convey a sense of calm to their teams. It's a fatal mistake, fear of your death, constraints, and paranoia are essential divorce.","start_time":"1743.75","end_time":"1757.54","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[6212,6213,6214,6215,6216,6217,6218,6219,6220,6221,6222,6223,6224,6225,6226,6227,6228,6229,6230,6231,6232,6233,6234,6235,6236,6237,6238,6239,6240,6241,6242,6243,6244,6245,6246,6247,6248,6249,6250,6251,6252,6253,6254,6255,6256,6257,6258,6259,6260,6261,6262,6263,6264,6265,6266]},{"id":96,"transcript":"To force focus, turn hardcore mode into high gear and build things of value. Um, how do you kind of keep that? You seem like a pretty calm person today, and I think the Wired article said that you even described you as being more like quiet, so how do you kind of convey that, um, sense of urgency to your team?","start_time":"1758.489","end_time":"1775.479","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[6267,6268,6269,6270,6271,6272,6273,6274,6275,6276,6277,6278,6279,6280,6281,6282,6283,6284,6285,6286,6287,6288,6289,6290,6291,6292,6293,6294,6295,6296,6297,6298,6299,6300,6301,6302,6303,6304,6305,6306,6307,6308,6309,6310,6311,6312,6313,6314,6315,6316,6317,6318,6319,6320,6321,6322,6323,6324,6325,6326,6327,6328,6329,6330,6331,6332,6333,6334,6335,6336,6337]},{"id":97,"transcript":"I don't know that everyone would, would feel the same way about, uh, about me and especially people who worked with me for, for a while I'm calm, um.","start_time":"1776.449","end_time":"1784.849","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[6338,6339,6340,6341,6342,6343,6344,6345,6346,6347,6348,6349,6350,6351,6352,6353,6354,6355,6356,6357,6358,6359,6360,6361,6362,6363,6364,6365,6366,6367,6368,6369,6370,6371,6372]},{"id":98,"transcript":"But I try to also keep the level of intensity really, really high. Uh, and so I'm, I'm, you know, very demanding, and, and I think, you know, that the tweet you're referencing is actually this ongoing paranoia. I'm actually, this is something I think about all the time and it's kind of an odd thing to have the blessing of having raised a lot of money.","start_time":"1785.229","end_time":"1809.609","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[6373,6374,6375,6376,6377,6378,6379,6380,6381,6382,6383,6384,6385,6386,6387,6388,6389,6390,6391,6392,6393,6394,6395,6396,6397,6398,6399,6400,6401,6402,6403,6404,6405,6406,6407,6408,6409,6410,6411,6412,6413,6414,6415,6416,6417,6418,6419,6420,6421,6422,6423,6424,6425,6426,6427,6428,6429,6430,6431,6432,6433,6434,6435,6436,6437,6438,6439,6440,6441,6442,6443,6444,6445,6446,6447,6448,6449,6450,6451,6452]},{"id":99,"transcript":"Uh, but it also comes as a curse, and the vast majority of companies that have raised too much money fail, uh, because they get bloated prematurely. Uh, they go into 15 directions instead of one because they can, uh, and so their lack of focus, uh, leads to failure. And so I'm super paranoid about that, and, uh, it's really, really hard. I, I keep on thinking about what are the things that I can use.","start_time":"1809.92","end_time":"1835.51","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[6453,6454,6455,6456,6457,6458,6459,6460,6461,6462,6463,6464,6465,6466,6467,6468,6469,6470,6471,6472,6473,6474,6475,6476,6477,6478,6479,6480,6481,6482,6483,6484,6485,6486,6487,6488,6489,6490,6491,6492,6493,6494,6495,6496,6497,6498,6499,6500,6501,6502,6503,6504,6505,6506,6507,6508,6509,6510,6511,6512,6513,6514,6515,6516,6517,6518,6519,6520,6521,6522,6523,6524,6525,6526,6527,6528,6529,6530,6531,6532,6533,6534,6535,6536,6537,6538,6539,6540,6541,6542,6543,6544,6545,6546,6547]},{"id":100,"transcript":"To make the team feel like again, you know, when you're running out of money at the end of the year and you need to do something to prove traction, momentum, etc. it's such an incredible push forcing the function like external thing that you can't, you know, replicate with, um, and so I use everything I can. 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You can't move the day to an external conference, so then people rally for the thing. Of course, you can't do that all the time and then not have results, right? 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So what if that creator could get paid in real time.","start_time":"2272.179","end_time":"2288.58","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[8189,8190,8191,8192,8193,8194,8195,8196,8197,8198,8199,8200,8201,8202,8203,8204,8205,8206,8207,8208,8209,8210,8211,8212,8213,8214,8215,8216,8217,8218,8219,8220,8221,8222,8223,8224,8225,8226,8227,8228,8229,8230,8231,8232,8233,8234,8235,8236,8237,8238,8239,8240,8241,8242,8243,8244,8245,8246,8247]},{"id":135,"transcript":"At every video or every piece of content that she or he pushes out, um, and you know, what are the downstream effects of having that pool of money arrive at destinations that can be spent in the local economy immediately? How much global GDP can be actually unlocked when you get rid of all of the constraints of how money moves around the world? It's, um, so if we can get that done, it's kind of cool.","start_time":"2288.59","end_time":"2317.76","speaker_label":"spk_1","items":[8248,8249,8250,8251,8252,8253,8254,8255,8256,8257,8258,8259,8260,8261,8262,8263,8264,8265,8266,8267,8268,8269,8270,8271,8272,8273,8274,8275,8276,8277,8278,8279,8280,8281,8282,8283,8284,8285,8286,8287,8288,8289,8290,8291,8292,8293,8294,8295,8296,8297,8298,8299,8300,8301,8302,8303,8304,8305,8306,8307,8308,8309,8310,8311,8312,8313,8314,8315,8316,8317,8318,8319,8320,8321,8322,8323,8324,8325,8326,8327,8328,8329,8330,8331,8332,8333,8334]},{"id":136,"transcript":"Yeah, I love it. Well, I know you, uh, have flights to the bar coming up, and, uh, I just really appreciate you having you today and, uh, and we're all grateful that, that you shared your career insights and uh thanks for being here. Thanks for having me.","start_time":"2318.35","end_time":"2331.939","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[8335,8336,8337,8338,8339,8340,8341,8342,8343,8344,8345,8346,8347,8348,8349,8350,8351,8352,8353,8354,8355,8356,8357,8358,8359,8360,8361,8362,8363,8364,8365,8366,8367,8368,8369,8370,8371,8372,8373,8374,8375,8376,8377,8378,8379,8380,8381,8382,8383,8384,8385,8386,8387,8388,8389,8390,8391,8392,8393,8394,8395,8396]},{"id":137,"transcript":"Feel free to, um, so housekeeping, there's bathrooms back there. Um, there's a bar that's gonna be open the entire day, although it might be purely for, for drinks, but, um, feel free to grab water, so or whatever, we're gonna, um, jump in with the presentation just a couple minutes here.","start_time":"2339.84","end_time":"2355.409","speaker_label":"spk_0","items":[8397,8398,8399,8400,8401,8402,8403,8404,8405,8406,8407,8408,8409,8410,8411,8412,8413,8414,8415,8416,8417,8418,8419,8420,8421,8422,8423,8424,8425,8426,8427,8428,8429,8430,8431,8432,8433,8434,8435,8436,8437,8438,8439,8440,8441,8442,8443,8444,8445,8446,8447,8448,8449,8450,8451,8452,8453,8454,8455,8456,8457,8458,8459,8460,8461,8462,8463]}]}}
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