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You managed to explain aerodynamics in a single sentence better than my physics professor did over a month. Here’s your crown, king. 👑
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2024-09-08
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2024-09-08
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A flat spin from 17000ft has to be a terrifying few minutes for the passengers as it helicopters to the ground slower than just a dead drop. Hopefully the G Forces knocked them out.
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2024-09-08
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That is a pretty good explanation to explain it to almost anyone actually.
In addition to this, a flat spin is when you both stall and something causes a rotation at the same time, such as one wing losing lift before the other or using the rudder.
A stall that doesn't involve spinning is easier to recover from as long as you have a reasonable amount of altitude. Nose down and as you gain speed you can level out again.
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2024-09-08
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Following on what others said below, it's usually caused by losing airspeed. Several ways for thay to happen.
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2024-09-08
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Obviously a real jet liner is probably harder, but to get out of a flat spin, you reduce power to idle, rudder in the opposite direction of your spin, and then push the stick forward to get the nose pointed to the ground and then you should be able to pull out and reapply power.
Never EVER use ailerons during a spin, you’ll make it worse, think of maple seeds. Rudders and elevators only. Killing power is crucial because of rotational engine torque.
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2024-09-08
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Could have been flying against the wind, slowed it down, until, it wasn't able to go forward with enough thrust that eventually caused a flat spin down.
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2024-09-08
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62 passengers. No survivors.
Edit, source: https://x.com/ABC/status/1821986761490493653
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2024-09-08
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I wonder if his call sign got changed after that.. I can't imagine
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2024-09-08
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That would definitely be the last ditch effort lol. There are procedures for stopping a flat spin that are not as insane.
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2024-09-08
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Why? Is it to force the nose down?
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2024-09-08
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Rare other War Thunder player seen in the wild.
Jokes aside though, if you want to recover from a flat spin even at 2000m or less just hit Q+A if you’re spinning to the right or E+D if you’re spinning left, even in simulator mode except you need to use your mouse/joystick a little as well
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2024-09-08
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Worst fear unlocked
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2024-09-08
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Exactly. Basically, in a flatspin, none of the control surfaces work. If you can shift the plane from falling horizontally (i.e. you're looking at the horizon), you have NO aileron/elevator/rudder authority. IF you manage to point the nose down, then you start regaining authority and can apply rudder (to get out of the spin), keep the nose down (to get more speed and out of the stall) to, then, gently pull up. But, then again, they had less than 2 minutes to diagnose, develop a solution, apply a solution and recover the plane. It's basically unrecoverable.
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2024-09-08
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Lol what? The wind cannot feasibly slow a plane to a halt. Planes fly into the wind all the time.
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2024-09-08
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Care to back that up? Because flying is literally the safest mode of transportation currently.
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2024-09-08
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For speed, yes. For lift, no.
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2024-09-08
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Thanks to the explanation... It's nightmarish to think it....
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2024-09-08
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Been on these planes a few times, most recently last month. My condolences.
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2024-09-08
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That's exactly it. The ground speed variations are absolutely strange.
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2024-09-08
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I’ve noticed a trend with some of these ATR crashes. Really looks like the ATR has less than ideal stall characteristics.
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2024-09-08
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Hahaha this was a nice story. Thanks for sharing!
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2024-09-08
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Man that first video is wild.
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2024-09-08
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I saw a Reddit post a couple of hours ago from people who were near the crash.
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2024-09-08
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Have you ever seen 74gear? He's a 747 pilot who analyzes videos that people send in. One of them was a guy in a single prop getting into a flat spin when his engine fails I think. You couldn't really see what he was doing, but he somehow got the nose down and turned it into a controlled dive/hard landing in a field. He really wasn't that high either. I can't imagine something scarier. At least if your engine fails you can glide, usually. You've got time and options. A spin like that.. disorienting, lack of control.. man.
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2024-09-08
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A plane flies forward. When the strongest force is not moving the plane forward, it loses balance and goes down.
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2024-09-08
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If you ever get in a car this doesn’t make much sense.
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2024-09-08
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Technically no, but theoretically yes.
I mean sure, if you spin a 50/50 coin twice, then there's a pretty big chance you'll get the same result twice. But we're talking about an astronomically low chance here in the first place. Raise that to the power of 2 and you get basically impossibility. The truth of it is that it will never happen twice in a row by accident.
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2024-09-08
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People are afraid of plane crashes because you spend minutes in terror realizing your death is approaching and there is nothing you can do about it.
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2024-09-08
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Love the sass!
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2024-09-08
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Same here, unmonitored internet access showed me a whole other side of the internet in the late naughts and early 10's. First I felt horrified by what I accidentally saw, then in my teens I started seeking it out on sites like bestgore (rip), now I'm fairly numb to most of it, but mostly morbidly intrigued.
I try to see the positive in it though; if I'm ever present when a gruesome accident happens, I might be able to snap out of the shock quicker to help any survivors.
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2024-09-08
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That's true, if they take measures to prevent it from happening in the future than the chance will be lower
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2024-09-08
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2 minutes left to crank the hawg.
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2024-09-08
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Here it is: https://sbtnews.sbt.com.br/noticia/brasil/voe-pass-divulga-lista-de-passageiros-de-aviao-que-caiu-em-vinhedo-confira
Hope you don’t see any familiar names :(
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2024-09-08
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Brazilian pilots are currently speculating that it might’ve been ice. It’s really cold and conditions are icy as hell. But it’s all just speculation at this point.
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2024-09-08
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Sorry if it’s a dumb question but how do planes manage to avoid icing when they are flying in winter time in places like New York or Colorado for instance
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2024-09-08
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I feel like passengers should be warned they are about to board a plane that is flying through a “significant meteorological event”
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2024-09-08
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You pass out before that.
Especially spiraling down that fast makes everyone passing out
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2024-09-08
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Me too, how common is that?
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2024-09-08
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Does anybody have links to these videos that aren't twitter?
Idk why people keep posting shit to twitter, supporting musk, who supports Trump and Putin.
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2024-09-08
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That's not actually true either, 95.7% survival rate for crashes.
Not only is the chance of crashing miniscule, but the chance of dying once you're in one is again, tiny. It's just terrible accidents like this that tend to stick in the mind.
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The third video is so upclose. Rest in peace to all of them.
Do we know what might have led to this ?
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2024-10-08
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Saw the video. It look like it dropped straight down while slowly rotating in place. I'm sure perspective plays a big part of how it looked, but it seemed so unnatural for a plane like that.
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2024-10-08
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That's a flat spin. I mean you really hardly ever see them. That's why it looks so terrifying.
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2024-10-08
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Here is the video
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/s/KpUKUoNm9X
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2024-10-08
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oof they got into a flat spin stall from the looks of the video, which can be impossible or very difficult to recover from.
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2024-10-08
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It's not 0.4% unless you happen to be flying on every single one of those planes every single day. That's over the 38 year flying history of the air type, and there are hundreds of flights (if not thousands) on ATR-72s every day worldwide.
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2024-10-08
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Per the blancolio channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozinSmylTmQ), 16,000 ft.
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2024-10-08
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Microburst? At 17,000ft? Seems unlikely unless they were flying through a storm.
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2024-10-08
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Nah, most accidents with fatalities start near surface, usually close to takeoff or landing. Accidents like this is rare.
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2024-10-08
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Flat spins are actually fairly gentle as they're pretty much 1G, constant speed descents. You'd feel some of the spinning if you're far from the centre (all the way in the back or in the cockpit), but nothing that would knock you out, much less break the plane. Until it reaches the ground, that is...
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2024-10-08
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Mine too and I hate that I watched it.
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2024-10-08
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Flow separation over the wing, which can be caused by a number of factors. In this case it was likely icing conditions.
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2024-10-08
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Sure it does. Plane crashes are much rarer than car crashes, but car crashes are generally more survivable than plane crashes.
I personally am going to keep flying, but I wouldn't fault anyone who didn't want to.
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2024-10-08
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Fucking Maverick got in the jet wash again.
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2024-10-08
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They interviewed him. He was on the edge of tears, and he said thank you to the boarding agent who wouldn't let him get on the flight.
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2024-10-08
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News like that make me happy that I live in EU work its tonnes of regulations, especially when it comes to aviation industry.
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2024-10-08
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Bajaj Qute
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2024-10-08
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Cue all the high-minded Redditors telling my terrified-of-flying ass that "this will likely never happen to you" and "driving is more dangerous" and such.
Yes, that may be true. But they never acknowledge that roll of the dice that you *do* end up in one of these rare disasters, and then get to spend the final stressfully long moments of your life screaming.
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2024-10-08
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what a chilling story.
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2024-10-08
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Nothing is impossible. Passengers have survived worse crashes.
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2024-10-08
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Are ATR more prone to this kind of incident ? The majority of planes I saw stalling are ATR’s (the one from Nepal recently for example)
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2024-10-08
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> The flap lever is right next to the prop feathering / throttle control
You need a degree in aerospace engineering to design aircraft, but make a basic design error like this that a 12 year old would know is stupid.
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Again, because of the way it was flat-spinning/falling, it *appears* to the person on the ground to be slower than other crashes. But, it is an optical illusion. Sort of like how the moon appears larger closer to the horizon, but it's actually the same size.
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It crashed in a highly populated area during daylight, and everybody has a cell phone today. *That* is why there are multiple videos, not because it was slower.
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2024-10-08
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what's the point of having wings if it doesn't even glide when the engine stops?
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2024-10-08
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The videos from onlookers are horrible. Imagine witnessing the sure death of people and not being able to do anything about it.
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2024-10-08
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Or revoke the known-icing certification.
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2024-10-08
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Lol ok thanks again, and idk if you’re already flying as a pilot or in training but I think pilots are amazing and brave. I won’t forget this reassurance you gave me ❤️
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2024-10-08
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You are.
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2024-10-08
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Where are you seeing that? The VS essentially decreased logarithmically to -11,824 ft/min.
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2024-11-08
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Weird about the unaccounted for person. Who was that? Is that normal? Why is nobody talking about that? Could this person have something to do with the crash??
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2024-12-08
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Regulations are not global if it's regional airline. To fly to Europe and USA you need to fulfill very long list of requirements. If you fly in Brazil or Indonesia, you don't.
Just because they fly western planes doesn't magically make their pilots as well trained and their maintenance as strict as EU demands.
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The number of people Hamas says died are inflated. Hamas hides behind children, schools, and hospitals to launch rockets and hide munitions. So it is not as simple as dealing with a rational actor. You are coming at this as a rational actor, and not thinking like a terrorist.
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2024-09-08
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It’s a never ending battle sadly, you chop the head off and another grows. It’s a culture problem if we’re being honest.
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2024-09-08
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They don’t get condemned for killing terrorists, they get condemned for their genocidal actions. Huge difference. But that’s the same with any country really.
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2024-10-08
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People are condemning them for this.
People condemned them for killing a terrorist in Tehran.
People condemned killing Hezbollah number 2 in Beirut.
People have condemned spec ops missions to kill terrorists with no collateral damage,
Let’s get real it’s not just Gaza or settlements that draw criticism.
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Of course disdain and unrest will continue. But the organization of Hamas itself will severely weaken. Theres nothing to say something worse won’t take its place, but it absolutely will not continue to operate as well when you kill all leadership.
Again there’s a reason Isis went from taking massive territory and terrorizing the Middle East and Africa and then got neutered when the senior leadership was killed.
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Hm. Then why is Russia down hundreds of thousands of soldiers? Why is Putin and his inner circle still alive?
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[Here’s](https://news.sky.com/story/amp/sao-paulo-passenger-plane-crashes-in-brazil-reports-13194150) a Sky video. Pretty crazy, nearly looks like a flat spin for such a big plane.
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A saint or a pig, depending on who hears it
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2024-09-08
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It's horrific.
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yes I hope ukraine already got something prepared for this
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And where, after 2,5 years of genocidal war, promised USA Lend Lease?
USA 20 years in a row spent 356 million dollars per day on Afghanistan, 2,600 billion dollars in total. And now, what, a situation many times less important? So unimportant that USA military spendings relatively to GDP should be at all time low (2,9%)?
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Gold from the Wagner run mines in Africa, I guess. Apparently, a lot of the shaheds have been purchased with straight-up bullion.
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2024-09-08
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Let's return the favor and send a few hundred ballistic missiles to Iran, preferably overnight.
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2024-09-08
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Where's Geraldo when you need him!
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2024-09-08
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It's not like they didn't help NK get their's
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2024-09-08
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That would be considered a massive provocation as all of those countries (except turkey) are far friendlier to Russia than the US.
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2024-09-08
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Ukraine and Israel should work together here. Destroy the shipment before it reaches Russia. That way both Iran and Russia get fucked
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2024-09-08
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What are they going to do?
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2024-09-08
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Russias not that stupid
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2024-09-08
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the result of western appeasement....
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2024-09-08
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Oh oh, i Heard that many Times lately
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2024-09-08
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We attacked Israel with 300 drones and projectiles, Of which Only 1 landed. Maybe.
Oh I've got an idea. How about we give these useless things to Russians and get some air defense system in return. So at least our Ayatollahs don't get blown to bits by Israel.
-Iran probably.
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2024-09-08
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Israel isn’t interested in a war against Russia. I think being at war with Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen and Gaza / West Bank is enough for a small country, don’t you think?
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