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ha ha when I was in SoCal tech bro culture I didn't have a car!
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2024-13-06
Don’t forget they then task some other team with validating that they did their reports correctly. I swear I should just make my next req for an admin assistant instead of a writer because they’ve dumped so much reporting and admin bullshit on my team despite it not being our role. And everytime I see it, I’m just like, couldn’t you fucking automate this?
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2024-13-06
They would probably change to a part-time basis if the jobs can be done in less time, and then just deny benefits for everyone. Capitalism, ho!
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2024-13-06
I agree, BUT i also acknowledge a certain percentage of employees abuse their privileges. I worked for a company during the pandemic that went remote, they caught an employee out at a store when they were showing as online working, the Jerry rigged their computer to keep the noise moving. They eventually did away with remote and went hybrid instead. I don’t believe in punishing everyone for one employee, and honestly that employee could have rightfully been fired (I don’t they they were IIRC), but I do get that some people ruin it for the rest of us. I was very thankful for remote work so worked hard to prove I was worthy of it, and when they went hybrid I left for a company that was full remote and try to show how productive I am at home and not abuse what they give me
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2024-13-06
Name and shame
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2024-13-06
Correct me if Im wrong please. But didn't the person either in charge or who they decided to blame, get "fired" with like a $120m severance?
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2024-13-06
My employer pays me to do my work. Not "be at work".
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2024-13-06
I would never simulate keyboard activity. It’s much easier to simulate mouse movement with my usb jiggler.
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2024-13-06
US Americans realise they live in a slight variation of 1984, shocker.
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2024-13-06
Ehhhhh, we've actually kinda stepped back to that. Look into the various ways banks have used "AI" to approve or deny loans. It has the racism baked in already!
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2024-13-06
Reddit take from someone who has never managed a team. For every one person like you that's responsible 10 others are doing their damnest to fuck the system. This is a rosy view of reality and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Like how are you going to honestly complain about your manager calling you while you're on the clock? The fuck? 3.2k upvotes. SHEESH.
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2024-13-06
Wait… like they pretended to be typing stuff so they could prove they were at their computer doing their job, even though they didn’t have something to do for every second of their shift?
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2024-13-06
u/ilovethatpig Case in point.
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2024-13-06
my manager has dozens of meetings a week and she can never seem to get teams to work properly. you would think with that many online meetings she would learn how to adjust the settings. also i hate it when she calls me without asking what i am doing, its always on my lunch break.
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2024-13-06
That's dumb as fuck. If they get their quota done, but still have that much downtime, then maybe one could start introducing the 4 day work week. (Lofty dreams, I know)
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2024-13-06
Yeah and guess what, you're just getting fired if we're even remotely suspicious. Your labor isn't so specialized that you aren't immediately replaceable. Automation is coming and jobs will be less and less. Lose this one and your next isn't guaranteed. Glad I could make it clear how your management will think!
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2024-13-06
I dont want anyone doing banking work on their personal computer
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2024-13-06
Bingo. I run a team of around 50 and this is standard for us. This whole post is a Reddit fantasy.
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2024-13-06
And Jiggle Mouse for the win
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2024-13-06
I can assure the people you are responding to with every fiber of my being, that the folks who actually understand how to evade these systems are not sharing it with people on Reddit.
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2024-13-06
> Running a powershell script is going to be banned for most users in most orgs No it won't. At most you'll be constrained language mode which *probably* prevent any sort of mouse-jiggling, but even the most stringent security standards I've been asked to apply have never required completely blocking Powershell.
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2024-13-06
Check in your new desk. In the basement.
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2024-13-06
> One required a signed-off audit EOY on every executed line. lmao good luck to anyone who wants to audit my powershell history.
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2024-13-06
Which, if you really think about it, is the only way to measure true morality.
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2024-13-06
Totally, but it's a lot easier to organize boycotts, protests, lobbying, etc with good unions. But yeah I wish everyone would pull their money out of Wells Fargo and put it in a local credit union
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2024-13-06
“Hello Peter, what's happening? Ummm, I'm gonna need you to go ahead come in tomorrow. So if you could be here around 9 that would be great, mmmk... oh oh! and I almost forgot ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too, kay”
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2024-13-06
So do you actually do work? 8fnthere isnt a hardware authentication mechanism there probably will be with your device and other pen test usb devices
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2024-13-06
Unless that behaviour is shareholder benefiting
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2024-13-06
> a bash script that you can run in powershell And it ends up not being bash or powershell lol
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2024-13-06
If you're completing your work by the defined deadlines and available when they ask you to be available (Meaning, you could handle from a phone), what's the problem?
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2024-13-06
But the culture has changed since then. It doesn't cost 25 cents to send a text anymore. So you can just send a heads up "hi, are you available for a quick call?" with no cost. Then, you aren't putting the other person on the spot to drop what they're doing and answer it right away.
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2024-13-06
> I mean… super easy to check against them. Modern activity checkers also ensure you're typing enough 'normal' keys in a measurable amount, not the same key 100,000 times. They also take random screenshots and those are OCR'd to ensure you're actually doing "real work", however that's measured for your industry.
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2024-14-06
No I understand, but what you're saying is insane. Are you mentally disabled? It would be a different story if you've got a mental disability and that's why you need this heads up before you receive a phone call, but otherwise... this is nuts, and really pathetic.
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2024-14-06
I can assure you the last thing that upper management wants to do is start identifying and cutting dead weight because they would absolutely fuck themselves.
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2024-14-06
> Running a powershell script is going to be banned for most users in most orgs Not to mention, workstations are remotely backed up in real-time, and that powershell script is going to be slurped up in a backup and someone is going to find it.
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2024-14-06
I mean, all banks did this back then. You need to go to a credit union if you don't want to get ripped off.
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2024-14-06
Not insane at all. You're the one who insists that people just switch gears immediately and be ready to answer you when *you* want them to be. That's just not kind or empathetic at all. It's the american "fuck you, got mine" attitude writ large. No accounting for people's humanity.
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2024-14-06
> Fuck ever working for a company that tracks your keyboard input. Almost every large corporation does this now, whether they tell you about it or not.
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2024-14-06
I put my mouse on a wall clock. Mouse moves every 60 seconds.
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2024-14-06
Ohhh ohh the Wells Fargo wagon is a coming down the street or please move the mouse for meeee! What a shit company.
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2024-14-06
Probably is logged in on his phone to respond afk.
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2024-14-06
Or you can just set something heavy on the shift key... 🤣
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2024-14-06
> The "generalities" are the best way to give the information that is important to people as the best choice for them is different to another person. I agree with this. >Ignorance is a choice, and one that I agree should drop someones score as they are showing an unwillingness to learn about credit before wanting to borrow money. So what if someone with a yearly income of $200,000 for the past 3 years realized they lived in ignorance and has horrible credit by paying $100 bills late. How low will their credit be? Now they want to be better, how long will it take for them to get back up?
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2024-14-06
What about a different in 0.2% interest rate? Is that significant?
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2024-14-06
Because my boss video called me frequently (as mentioned) and noticed I wasn't in the office on a day where I was supposed to?
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2024-14-06
Better for the customers they weren't working. Otherwise they would be scamming people signing them up for bs. I doubt the court ruling makes them stop.
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2024-14-06
And how much you value money and paying your debt... Sadly more of the bonds system AAA to Junk
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2024-14-06
It would be so funny if every executive of Wells Fargo fell into a vat of boiling acid on live television in front of their children.
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2024-14-06
I run errands during the work day all the time, everyone does. Luckily my current employer understands the work from home life and I'm judged on the work I produce and NOT how many hours I'm online.
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2024-14-06
They're still opening the accounts too, they're incentivized to do it. I know this is impossible to prove, or I'd be suing the shit out of them.
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2024-14-06
First time rage quitting a job in my life with no plan whatsoever. It was cathartic as hell.
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2024-14-06
Same. I go on a 1 hour walk then type up the slide deck. I can't get creative with a gun against my head
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2024-14-06
Do you mean (gasp) “talk to people”?!?
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2024-14-06
I allow my team to be totally flexible 'cuz I don't care. Most people are productive. One is not. I know they're not by looking at the rate they take on new tasks. AFK or mouse movements don't matter
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2024-14-06
meanwhile i had a worker who had a car break down and i drove out to push their car off the side of the road because i was worried they would get hurt doing it alone. Who the fuck are these animals, i just cannot fathom it. Funniest part was it was the first time i had ever met this worker because they were hired for one of the further locations we had.
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2024-14-06
Were you at least getting paid well? Idk why anyone would stay otherwise
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2024-14-06
Harder to sleep
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2024-14-06
Not as rich as they got from unethical practices, unfortunately
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2024-14-06
I've been seeing more surveys asking if you'd take a pay cut to be fully remote lately.  You aren't cost anything even electricity but hey howvaboutvabpay cut for work life balance?
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2024-14-06
So much about society is about fucking busy work. "If you have time to lean you have time to clean" - one of the lines that might just make me snap.
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2024-14-06
It is actually on my bucket list to see Wells Fargo collapse. My closing attorney refused to sue them (with an ironclad case) because he did so much business with them. Had i been older and wiser then, I would have sued my attorney too. Fucking D-bags, the whole lot.
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2024-14-06
How did they decern real keyboard activity from stimulated?
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2024-14-06
>over a dozen So they fired 13 people. A quick look on wikipedia says they employ over 238k people as of 2022. Meaning they fired about 0.0054% of their employees. Why are they writing an article about this?
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2024-14-06
No severance due if you quit or get fired for not meeting an unrealistic and useless goal I guess. Cheap and shitty way to lay people off to boost shareholder value
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2024-14-06
>There are a lot of companies that don't understand that you get more productivity out of people when you treat them like adults. Yeah that's the biggest lesson I've learned as a manager. Not everyone works in the same way. You can try to force them to work in the same way, but they won't be nearly as productive as they would be if you can let them do their own thing (maybe with some necessary compromises).
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2024-14-06
Wells Fargo complaining about ethics is absolutely hysterical. The most predatory actually evil bank that ruined peoples credit, structured deposits to steal peoples money with fees, violated veterans laws on deployed personnel, and mistreated employees. They have no basis for using the word ethical.
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2024-14-06
I haven't done it, but you can always schedule a meeting with yourself on Microsoft Teams or whatever and supposedly it won't count as being idle. Personally, I have a custom mouse that jiggles.
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2024-14-06
How about we retire Wells Fargo for impersonating a bank?
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2024-14-06
TIL Isaac Asimov wrote the movie Click
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2024-14-06
I worked there for 2.5 years. Same division, WIMT. There was nothing to do. I left because there was nothing to do. 6 figure pay. No wonder these people were using mouse jugglers.
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2024-14-06
> Who gives a shit if people are playing games, or away from their computer if they are supposed to be working, if all the work they are expected to do is getting done? This isn't how these jobs work. Salaried, particularly high-salary knowledge-based jobs, aren't defined by menial "tasks". The point is that these people are paid typically based on a 40 hour work week. Not to mention different people work differently because they are not task-based. Task based jobs are typically hourly for this reason. Regardless, these people are likely reporting that they are working 40 hour weeks. Tons of financials and other forecasting depends on these facts.
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2024-14-06
Especially after my whole team was fired last year to be replaced by cheaper labor in another country... Who we trained... Because we were told they would be working a different department... Jokes on them, the quality of work that came from that team was maybe 10% of ours.
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2024-14-06
_There once was a stock that put to sea. The name of the stock was..._
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2024-14-06
I took this to the extreme and opened up a card for my toddler. Chase and Citi were cool with it! Only Discover said she was too young. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2024-14-06
That is so wild and has to be so frustrating. Does your org not track customer satisfaction metrics? I feel like finishing tickets would be like the number one easiest way to grow those numbers.
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2024-14-06
This is for those who have a locked down work computer that won't let you change local/group policy.
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2024-14-06
I swear to God, if they get another fucking handout when this shit implodes again, there better be fires. Lots of fires.
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2024-14-06
They are installing ceiling cameras now that pick up how much you have moved, how long you stayed in your chair etc. It's managers who can't put in the time to judge the people under them properly because they are too busy constantly whining how busy they are.
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2024-14-06
Simulation of banking activity
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2024-14-06
Simulation of keyboard activity? The hell is that?
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2024-14-06
*unless we have sanctioned it and are actively profting from it
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2024-14-06
Wells Fargo basically *defines* unethical behavior.
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2024-14-06
Whilst I 100% agree with this, I’d also argue that these employees got what they deserve. It’s those cheating the system that give the employers reason to get everyone back in the office.
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2024-14-06
Yep, I had BoA in like '99'ish. Put a deposit of money in, couple days later, bought a few things but for some reason, those went through immediately. My deposit took 3 days. I bounced about 4 checks. $120 in fees. Then 6 months later, it happened again, waited 3 days and saw the money in there, wrote checks, somehow, that deposit was removed, they processed checks, then the money was magically back, minus all the NSF fees. I immediately went and closed my account.
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2024-14-06
Unethical is when you steal from the rich, duh.
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2024-14-06
Me currently watching TV with a cologne bottle on my spacebar 🙈
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2024-14-06
I use caffeine. keeps that pesky teams icon from going orange
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2024-14-06
What the fuck. There is nothing wrong with taking a day off if your vehicle is totaled that day. If the company is that desperate then that’s on the company running a shitty business. Yeah there’s plenty of people that could have shit work out for them and were able to catch an Uber or a ride to work. I’ve done it myself but shit worked out that day. It’s not so unfathomably hard to understand that some people might actually need a day off because shit didn’t work out for them. Tow company took forever? Uber ride for an hour to work and an hour back?
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2024-14-06
Wells Fargo, “We do the fraud! Not you!”
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2024-14-06
Is there a class action lawsuit for a job that effs you over, asks you to pick up unreasonable tasks outside of job description, offers no support or guidance or structure because of constant org changes and watches you fail. I also have reasonable evidence for time and career theft.
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2024-14-06
spontaneous ideas at the water cooler...
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2024-14-06
You say that, but i paid off my student loans early (my credit wasn't happy about that) and moved abroad. So anytime i go back, its impossible to rent a car lol
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2024-14-06
TIL the plot of Click
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2024-14-06
WTF kind of capitalization method of letters is that??
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2024-14-06
I worked at BNY Mellon when he was brought on there as the hatchet man for shareholders. I then started working at Wells Fargo shortly thereafter. I couldn’t leave fast enough as he transitioned to Wells.
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2024-14-06
The biggest mistake these guys did was using a software solution. Gove me 1 hour with a Lego mindstorm set and I would have it set to move the mouse, open documents, type stuff, save, lather rinse repeat. And since **it's not software** and actual keys are being pushed and actual mouse moving, the Spyware can't tell the difference 
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2024-14-06
Wells fargo is such shit. My moms debit card details got leaked twice. She originally blamed amazon but i pointed out that my details were safe and the only difference was banks. She switched to my bank and suddenly she has 0 information leaks. Oh yeah, her WF credit card got leaked right after she transfered banks too.
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2024-14-06
Well of course, when you have tons of money like banks and finance firms, giving a friend's kid a job to just push papers around for favors later is pretty par for the course.
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2024-14-06
You can get flagged for that too.
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2024-14-06
Oh nah that's just plain bullshit. They want you to hang up and go to the web site instead. It costs more to have a human being talk to you on the phone than it does for you to use their web site or solve the issue yourself.
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