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Time for US to follow suit!
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2024-28-05
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2024-28-05
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the US continues to fumble it support to its allies
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2024-28-05
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If this war never end it will end in a nuclear Showdown.
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2024-29-05
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They did initially.
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They are downvoting your laziness. Just Google it. Do your own research.
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2024-28-05
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No, I just want you to provide a link that backs up your claim when asked instead of this lazy "Google my point for me" crap.
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2024-28-05
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That’s not necessarily true. The base laws of offer and demand do not apply when all offer is monopolized by one or a few groups. Not saying you are wrong, but that it’s not a simple as food being lacking because it’s expensive or food being expensive because it is lacking
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2024-28-05
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Who could’ve possibly predicted this?
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2024-28-05
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Well the front fell off, and let me say that's not typical. Usually the front doesn't fall off.
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2024-28-05
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Ya a future d day type invasion could be vastly improved by learning how to build a fucking pier when and where you need it
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2024-28-05
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No it’s because they profit from the smuggling so letting in aid would mean they make less money
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2024-28-05
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You think it would have done better than the Mullberry piers from WW2…
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2024-28-05
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It was always a cynical good cop move to the Israeli government’s bad cop.
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2024-28-05
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As I understand it, the true tactical purpose of the JLOTS system is not expressly for purposes to land an invasion level force, but to deploy one from the U.S. mainland. There is not enough capacity at U.S. ports to deliver a U.S. ground force onto naval transports in a timely manner necessary for the force to be effective.
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2024-28-05
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That article says the elements/conditions for ICC can’t be determined
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2024-28-05
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Waste of taxpayer $$$
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2024-28-05
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My first thought was that the Israeli government sabotaged it. Second thought was Hamas.
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2024-28-05
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Well you're literally talking about starving a city of millions, Jesus fucking Christ
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2024-28-05
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It does indeed.
> The United Nations has resumed transporting humanitarian aid arriving at a U.S.-built pier off the coast of the Gaza Strip after deliveries were halted for two days because some truckloads of aid were intercepted **by needy Palestinians**.
A few truckloads were intercepted by people in need. That's hardly an argument against the humanitarian effort.
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2024-28-05
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Apparently, Hamas has been acquiring many the aid shipments and selling them on the black market.
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2024-28-05
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They don't refuse. It was open then got bombed by the Israeli air force, then got fixed, and is now closed from the Gaza side.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/05/07/israeli-forces-seize-rafah-border-crossing-gaza-putting-cease-fire-talks-knifes-edge.html
None of that matters because the logistics of the crossing are too small to carry through enough supplies for millions of people.
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2024-28-05
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Hamas is the ones starving them.
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2024-28-05
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Great use of money. How long did that last 2 months?
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2024-28-05
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You just described all foreign aid
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2024-28-05
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Why say it's false?
Look at this
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/05/07/israeli-forces-seize-rafah-border-crossing-gaza-putting-cease-fire-talks-knifes-edge.html
Please don't just state lies it's hard enough to know what's happening without making statements you didn't research.
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2024-28-05
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Some of the cost on this almost certainly gets written off as training for the personnel who constructed the pier. Similar to National Guard units being used to respond during natural disasters. It's effectively training.
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2024-28-05
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True, a few truckloads (5 out of 500 daily needed) [was intercepted by people in need early on.](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-resumes-transporting-aid-us-built-pier-gaza-2024-05-23/)
That's a pretty far cry from claiming that 75% was stolen and it was a waste of money.
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2024-28-05
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Yes, but didn't you see that
> it's been a huge positive learning experience for our military
Can you really put a price on a positive learning experience for our military? /s
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2024-28-05
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Am I pregananant?
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2024-28-05
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That's about half a tin of beans for each person in Gaza.
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2024-28-05
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When the US does a visit to a country and builds a couple soccer fields that happen to be the right size for a few helicopters to land on simultaneously, nothing is ever solely for benevolence
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2024-28-05
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How can aid for Gaza, delivered to Gaza, be stolen? It's for Gaza, it reached Gaza.
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2024-28-05
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UNRWA is not a front - it's an organization that's been critical of Israel seeing how they essentially clean up after Israel. According to Israel anyone who's against anything they do is a terrorist. There were a couple of people in UNRWA who may have worked with Hamas. That's...not surprising - Hamas isn't a conventional force, of course they have sympathizers all over. It's also possible they found certain people, told them if they don't do what they said they'd watch their families be skinned alive.
Do you think that Israel has Mosad agents working in various organizations around the world? Would all of those organizations be classified as "Israeli" organizations or a front for Israel? Of course not.
There's a lot of "loudest voice gets the attention" in the Middle East - some logic though can really cut through a majority of bullshit. Neither side is innocent or clear.
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2024-28-05
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They were following the plans Trump left them.
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2024-29-05
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They Egypt/Gaza borders is miles long. They only made rafah crossing tiny to keep the Palestinians boxed in.
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2024-29-05
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It's not a different issue. We don't flood markets like Haiti and Venezuela with food to devalue it. We don't flood markets of other non-US entities with so much food they devalue the worth of food. Why should we do so with Palestine?
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2024-29-05
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Our U.S. tax dollars at work in an effective way…what a fucking joke! Fools rush in…
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2024-29-05
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I always thought he delegated that kind of stuff.
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2024-29-05
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Pretty high rates of obesity for a city that's had a week's worth of food for 7 months.
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2024-29-05
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Many countries are under siege or blockade. We already give Palestine a figurative "bag of rice". The US donates foreign aid in excess of $600,000,000 USD per annum to Palestine. Where do you think that money is going to?
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2024-29-05
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Weather was harsher than calculated in the build planning.
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2024-29-05
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Is your average Gazan going to think "Israel is horrible, let's attack again", or "Israel is horrible, if we attack again, they'll just level our homes again"?
On October 8, the answer was the first. Today? I don't know.
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That $350M cost what is that, if it’s just the cost of deployed Material and personnel surely that’s a sunk cost of running the US military.
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2024-29-05
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If the US was serious about a hypothetical redline on humanitarian aid, then no, Israel would not be in a position to do so. But as of now both Bibi and Biden know that's not the case, there are no red lines.
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JLOTS was also not designed for operating those sea conditions, its designed for operating in shallows and natural harbors with calm seas, not the Eastern Med with constant 3+ sea states. The post at the top of this comment chain suggested this was a learning experience, but in reality the US military didn't learn shit, other than a confirmation that this equipment, in fact, doesn't work beyond its design specifications.
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2024-29-05
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If a small business had built that dock and there were a contract stipulating it be in place for x months, you bet your bottom dollar all would be forgiven.
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2024-29-05
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Times 100 million families, that's about 5 times what this cost. Sounds important.
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2024-29-05
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Well technically the fighters are the Al-Qassam brigades. Hamas is just the political structure. A teacher working in Gaza will technically be Hamas but not military like someone who is part of the Al Qassam brigades.
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2024-29-05
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if only there was 40 years of history of the west giving the PA billions in aid directly and almost none of it going to better the lives of palestinians!
it sure is amazing with the strict blockaid israels had around gaza for almost 20 years that food/clothes cant get in (despite no starvation/issues), but they can manage to smuggle tens/hundreds of thousands of rockets and explosives and assorted other arms/tech!
It sure is bizarre all that aid money just disappears year after year! I wonder where its gone. I'm sure these things are totally unrelated
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2024-29-05
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So, you’re telling me Hamas isn’t a benevolent loving government that does all it can to help its people prosper?
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2024-29-05
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They need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys. becuse these babby cant frigth back? it was on the news this mroing a mother in ar who had killed three kids. they are taking the three babby back to new york too lady to rest my pary are with the father who lost his children ; i am truley sorry for your lots
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2024-29-05
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So, the choice you're presenting to me is A) 2 million people starving to death vs B) Bad optics. I choose A.
Also, most of the food isn't coming from the US - it's coming other Arab nations. We're supplying the infrastructure mostly, while Jordon / Egypt / SA / Qatar are mostly funding food and water.
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2024-29-05
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Yup. And, just because you know its advertised rating doesn't mean that rating is its real limits. It's pretty common to be aggressive with your factors of safety and margins for error, and those can add up over the course of a design. So you design something to handle a "low stress" case 100% of the time, but it's plausible it can actually withstand higher stresses for a limited period of time (or even 100%).
Confirming real limits is always valuable. They can be used to either improve the design, or understand what it can really accomplish if you need to push it a little bit.
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2024-29-05
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RIP Floating Pier
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2024-29-05
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Because our weapons are responsible for their famine.
We also just signed massive agreements with Kenya, and part of that is them going to help in Haiti. Basically, we give them supplies, they go there and hand it out. Haiti doesn't like the US, or France - quick search will tell you why
You didn't mention it, but Sudan is a better example of "why here and not there." It should be. Sudan, and Mynamar, are embroiled in a civil war. Gaza isn't a civil war - it's much messier than that.
Flooding the area the size of Manhattan with enough food to make it worthless is easy and saves lives.
Here's something else you probably don't want to hear - there's no military solution to this conflict. Look to what the US and the world did to Germany and Japan after WWII in order to destroy the rise of terror and fascism. Huge economic investments and elevated standards of living. Same has to happen in Gaza - what we consider Palestine needs to be turned into one of the wealthiest and healthiest socioeconomic areas in the Middle East. Otherwise we'll be having the same convo when all the kids who watched their parents burn alive are old enough to pick up a gun.
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2024-29-05
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Surely there’s a middle ground between flooding the market and having to spend almost a quarter billion dollars on a floating pier that ran around after two weeks because the land crossings have a bunch of trucks of food rotting because they aren’t allowed across the border.
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2024-29-05
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I'd rather my taxes be used to rebuild piers for ALL refugees of war.
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2024-29-05
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Why did they do things in this order? It seems like with Iraq and Afghanistan, the first priority was regime change. Then aid and reconstruction money started flowing once the transitional government was set up.
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2024-29-05
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Read your own edit.
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2024-29-05
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To be fair, I was drinking. But my point still stands that the B21 costs 3x as much as they claim.
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2024-29-05
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Most mulberry piers were destroyed less then a week and a half later on June 19th and even with the surviving piers only were able to supply less than 1/3 of the total supplies usage of the landing force. Most supplies were landed by assault ship beaching itself on the shore.
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2024-29-05
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"Food insecurity in the US" is not even remotely the same, and it's frankly dumb that the same language gets used for a household which runs low on food stamps at the end of the month, vs a Palestinian child who has not eaten solid food in weeks.
Yes, the US should, and could, do a better job propping up the most vulnerable among us, but this idea that a poor person in the US is struggling the same as a poor person in the developing world is nonsense, and it's hard to take any such implication as good faith.
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2024-29-05
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Not to mention more intel from having a presence there, literal boots on the ground. This was not simply construction/engineering by the US with nothing else gained from it
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2024-29-05
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Tax dollars dont pay for this shit. They just print the money. Its even worse lol
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2024-29-05
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Then you should get checked for head injury
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2024-29-05
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Fucking duh, man.
Did you just take your first political science class and find this out? Like it matters in the end if lives are saved, if the generations of people that literally owe their lives to Western and US aid would turn around from the water pump and say into the camera
"Well I am not sure that this was solely out of the goodness of the hearts of the USA."
Somalia was far more than just about aid and famine though, and you would know that if YOU paid attention in your intro class.
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2024-29-05
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Well the front’s not supposed to fall off, for a start.
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2024-29-05
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And real reason it is needed is because Israel refuses to let aid through any other way. (They refuse the ocean way too,but Biden strongarmed them)
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2024-28-05
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A former spy chief for Premier, what could go wrong?
In these times it's an interesting choice that looks further
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This would have been the army core of engineers I think but the better question is what make you think that the us military is all that on top of things? Other than being bigger and better equipped than most we kinda blow it pretty often.
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2024-28-05
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400 million for a month of operations?
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2024-28-05
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No one is "better" than the ocean mate. The pier required "good" conditions for function, heavy seas caused damage. Repairs are estimated at over a week, then it will be operational once again.
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2024-28-05
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How many more humiliations can the U.S take by the events in Israel?
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2024-28-05
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They don't look very well built. That is a giant narrow stretch from square A to square B there should be a square in between that
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2024-28-05
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Pretty sure the ocean was defeated by IMPERATOR GAIVS CAESAR AVGVSTVS GERMANICVS
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2024-28-05
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He got billions to pay for more Botox.
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2024-29-05
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No refunds.
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2024-29-05
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Was this a particularly bad storm? It's not like they got hit with the eye of a CAT5.
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2024-29-05
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the fix (reckoning) is inflation. all that money that was just printed and thrown around during covid wasnt free. the cost of it all was devaluing the dollar and inflating the costs of everything.
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2024-29-05
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We have no money for Ukraine either, but an unlimited budget for Israel.
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2024-29-05
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And the Amtrak's are less delayed than ever.
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2024-29-05
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It’s just money so I guess we can all just make jokes and move on.
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2024-29-05
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Nope. It’s all negligence on the branch of the Army and the Biden administration.
Literally everything has gone to shit no matter what ‘operation’ it is 🫠
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2024-29-05
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It just disappiered.
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2024-29-05
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They build the pier for pure political reasons.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the situation.
Barely any of the aid so far reached where it should have, the main issue in Gaza is distribution.
There is no one except Hamas and small volunteer groups (which are no really effective) where Hamas and other local gangs end up stealing most of the aid to resell in the market.
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2024-29-05
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Tax payers footed this bill. Oof
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2024-29-05
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B-b-but reddit told me American logistics are the best in the world!!
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2024-29-05
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Which is a problem that has nothing to do with this pier. Which begs the question, why are we talking about student loan debt in a thread about providing humanitarian aid.
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2024-29-05
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It's just $1 dollar per person. Chill dude.
Edit: pls send some atacms asap
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2024-29-05
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Not gonna be all food. Water, clothing, medicine, fuel, shelter/building materials and all the rest.
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2024-29-05
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New tech needs tweaking. What a waste of money though.
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2024-29-05
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I'm not American but I've only ever thought of it as that. I feel like it's the main reason behind it. Of course they won't come out and say that, but being able to magically pop up a pier anywhere you want can have a ton of useful applications but Taiwan is definitely one of the first things that come to mind.
It also doesn't cost a whole lot to try, in the grand scheme of things and everyone involved is getting some good training.
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2024-29-05
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Did I wake up in October 2001?
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2024-29-05
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Stop giving the Israel money for good, that should save many billions.
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