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Not just that, companies refuse to make stuff there because of theft
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The interesting part of the timing here is that this is around when Trump would be taking office if he wins. Maybe they're hoping he gets in and waiting.
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Non stop killing of women and children. Such an evil grotesque nation.
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Bibi and his insane, far-right coalition ousted (and most of them put in jail in an ideal world), and a moderate government makes steps towards a two-state solution and a working relationship with Saudi Arabia against the Iranian threat.
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Ah, just to after the U.S. elections. I guess there is a political side to Bibi's killing.
Wonder who Bibi is serving? /s
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2024-29-05
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Right after the US election takes place... fuck Bibi.
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2024-30-05
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Israel’s doing a lot of things in Gaza, but counterterrorism ain’t one of them. And destroying Hamas as an ideology *definitely* ain’t one of them.
You can’t show me a single news article or report that suggests they’ve killed more than 1/3 of the 30,000 Hamas militants that were estimated to have existed at the start of this war, and to think that 30,000 number hasn’t grown since they’ve bombed like half a dozen refugee camps and killed 25,000 women and children is totally moronic, against all logic, and not based in reality.
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The West Bank is not Gaza.
Hamas doesn’t control the West Bank. And of the last two two-state talks, Hamas has ended both.
Also typically, when you declare an offensive war during peace-time and lose, you don’t get to dictate terms of land. That’s any country in the world
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Not a fan of settlers, either reach a decision if this piece of land is Israeli or not, if it is start building do your thing, if not stop with the half baked stuff like that
This is the same for Jews and Arabs bedouin that do that as well
The ones who promoted these plans are people in the government I don't trust at all with decisions so if they decided something it's probably a bad idea
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No what I mean is, at the time (say mid 2023) were you worried about retaliation? Or did you think they would just give it all up without any fight?
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well some of them are antisemites arguing in bad faith, obviously, but some of them think Hamas is out there in the desert/mountains and Israel should fight them on the open field instead of in urban centers
they say "Israel shouldn't bomb Hamas if there's gonna be collateral damage" bc they're thinking "there's other opportunities for Israel to bomb Hamas with 0 civilian deaths"
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I think there's also a whole load of influencing done via tiktok, instagram, twitter, etc etc. Boohoo Israël bad, stuff like that. And it's seemingly very effective
Iran/Russia are most likely behind a great deal of that too
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In the article he also says that only about 10% of the people in Gaza support Hamas. And he says that all the people there hate Kurds.
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Wait until he learns people don’t respawn.
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A hospital that is used as a military base is not protected by the Geneva Convention.
Striking a hospital used as a military base isn't a war crime.
Using a hospital as a military base *is* a war crime.
Article 19, I suggest you read it.
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Article 19 of the fourth Geneva Convention says otherwise. Article 18 sets out that hospitals are protected, and then 19 literally lays out the circumstances in which hospitals cease to be protected. Under international law, there are times in which it is acceptable to target hospitals. This is just a fact, it's written in about as plain English as these treaties ever are.
The area in which there is debate to be had, although vastly less than the average discourse would have you believe, would be in Protocol 1, Article 51, which is an addition to the Geneva Conventions that strengthens certain protections of civilian lives, and that article in particular establishes the concept of *proportionality*. That is, civilian damage must be not be excessive compared to the military concerns which prompt the strike. The precise line of "excessive" there is something you ask a group of legal scholars when you want to start a fistfight.
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If this doctor goes to NYC and tells this to Columbia Protestors - He will get punched in the face! Because facts dont matter to these people!
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"We should just ignore October 7th because they kind of deserve it anyway" is not an uncommon opinion out in the wild. People are fucking stupid.
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You misinterpreted what I said. A conventional ground campaign would be deadlier, but Israel's military doctrine is more modern than that. There's a lot more reliance on drones, etc.
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It’s possible to support the actions but not the organization which makes this way more problematic because getting rid of Hamas won’t suddenly de radicalize Gazans
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There are few enough members of Hamas present that even with only a partially armed Gazan population Hamas could be removed from power and replaced with (another) free, fair and independent election, though it remains to be seen if Gaza would (again) elect a terrorist group to serve as government in that case.
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And Hamas has reported over 6k of their own dead militants so the ratio is better than pretty much every other conflict in modern history… but it’s still indiscriminate somehow
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Qatar also despises Israel
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No. I’m saying that if Jesus, a Jew, had a gun pointed to him by Hamas, who in turn held a Gaza child as a human shield, should give his life, and his family’s life, and those of who follow him, to protect this child.
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How is it impossible? If the Palestinians are so against what Hamas is doing there is more than enough of the civilian populace that could overpower and throw down the regime, if they wanted to.
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It is often in territory they do not control, and in the time it takes for soldiers to helicopter in, Hamas would leave via their tunnels. So you lose your chance to take out enemies AND put your own soldiers in immense risk.
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But how would it be deadlier if as you said it gives civilians more time to flee? If I'm not mistaken, Gaza is a pile of rubble.
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Civilians? Die? In war?! My god. Has such a thing ever happened before?
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Because they have a professionally-lead, experienced military and extensive amount of intelligence and use that to determine how to best eliminate enemy targets.
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How do u exactly suggest that unarmed civilians take over terrorist groups with Arms and missiles that even had munitions on the danm hospital that it was blown up?
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In Gaza? Where they forced all the settlers out years ago?
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Not to stay in Israel permanently, but to have safety from turkey and Syria killing Kurds. But I suppose that by leaving it would make it much harder to return.
Fuck erdogan. Fuck Assad
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Catapult those first gen 3310's towards the Russians.
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First the UK.
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And Skis.
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> there
Nuclear war ?
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Nope
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Stopping Russia
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This has been known and reported openly since February…. There’s literally no news here but okay
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Looks like the propaganda is hitting you real good
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Everybody’s gangster until the snow starts talking
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Same goes for you
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Alas the gloves come off
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Oh ok, so were going back to the first line of argumentation since this one combusted itself into flames.
Don't want to discuss Russians experience in invasions?
Given the depth and breadth of experience, going back some 600+ years at least, you'd think they'd be able to do better than a few km a day to a country next door?
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>Finland has more guts than most of the EU, apparently.
Yeah, but Finland don't have any troubles allowing Ukraine to strike Russia with Finnish weapons because they don't supply cruise and ballistic missiles and other stuff that can properly hit Russia.
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All of them?
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Well am still waiting for the link to the american invasions, cant keep talking with proofs of one side of the truth
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Ok I'm seeing something like this daily with a different country each time. Someone please explain. Isn't it Ukraine's decision what they do with weapons they're provided? Why do we all have to give our blessing suddenly?
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Real funny
Happy cake day!
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finnish them
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If Russia blames Finland for Ukraine using Finnish weapons inside Russia, than Ukraine needs to bomb North Korea for providing munitions to Russia used inside Ukraine
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You literally said, and I quote:
> They don't have the invasion experience the US has
Russia has 600 years of invasion history spanning at least 20 invasions. That Wikipedia article had **32** invasions/wars of conquest cited.
At what point is experience not a factor? And given the breadth of experience Russia has, why are they doing so poorly?
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Thank you, Finland!
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The link bro
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But it doesn't, because I am not trying to expose certain bits of history for my own argument's sake and it the meantime purposefully hide other aspects of world history that damage my argument like you do.
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Is English your first language?
Do you understand what ‘experience’ means?
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I'm guessing Finland is still feeling some kind of way about Russia.
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Finland been waiting for this for a hot ass minute
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Beat my meat to it
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>Germany and Italy were definite "No".
What are you talking about? Scholz gave a yes in lockstep with Macron.
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It would be silly to use starter weapons this far into the war
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> What's your excuse Scholz?
Not having a border with Russia?
It's not an accident that countries bordering Russia despise it the most.
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What does LGBTQ have to do with the war in Russia?
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Yeah do you think that might actually have something to do with how long it takes them to make a decision like that?
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It's the only time the UK government has got things right the past 10 years, is helping Ukraine, and getting the ball rolling with supplying weapons and training
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Lots of people anxious for WW3. I hope to see you first in line at the recruitment office.
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When it comes to Putin, I dont understand why we give them any benefits at all. If Putin wants to attack democracy, why isnt the entire Free World reigning down on him nonstop? Why do we treat him like a misbehaving child that "still might do the right thing one day." It's so frustrating. The collective world could end the Ukraine war in a matter of days/weeks, but instead we treat it like a minor inconvenience.
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At what point do we realize this is becoming a world war?
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Should minimize deaths, civilian but also military. People are people even some are more appalling than others.
The material infrastructure needs to be targeted. The rail lines are dual use civilian and military. We should encourage Ukraine to act while keeping compassion in mind. For example hitting a passenger train full of civilians who are evacuating Belgorod would be unfortunate. It would be preferable if they cut the rail line at times when passenger trains are not passing. Aim for cargo trains that are likely to be carrying ammunition.
A train driver (engineer) who is hauling ammunition (and/or rail cars that look like ammunition cars) into a war zone is a civilian. That particular civilian is no less involved in the invasion than soldiers who are in uniform.
An anti-tank round fired by a drone might be able to severely damage an engine without killing the crew in the cab.
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Good.
Just remember that like with other attacks into Russia, there may be civilian casualties that Russia will try to use to weaken the resolve and the solidarity of the pro-democracy nations. Don't fall for it, and don't let others try to use it to drop support for Ukraine. Russia is already targeting civilians (and even targeting Ukrainian soldiers is not legit in an illegal invasion) so anything that can end the invasion sooner will save far more innocent lives than the few that might get hit with weapons given to Ukraine.
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Trump being too incompetent to put *all* his threats into action probably sells it better.
But Project 2025 is a thing going around the corrupted party and was not penned by Trump. There's a good chance he won't mess up clearly written instructions that also feed into his ego and power fantasy.
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Other countries have been in the news lately stating that they'll give weapons to Ukraine but they're not allowed to be used on targets inside Russia. It's good news to hear about Finland holding no such reservations.
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True. So mostly symbolic from countries like Finland or Denmark, probably mostly to help normalise the shift and prod other nations with more relevant arsenals.
But France (and soon the UK) has homemade Scalp (Storm shadow), that could be more interesting.
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That is partly why Putin's "mad man" routine is so effective. Countries know Russia will claim absolute nonsense as a "act of war" and so they have to work harder to try and avoid it even though they *know* it's nonsense.
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I know, I disgust myself. But at the same time, I suddenly started lusting for a good cake.
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See? Finland gets it idk we dont
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They can fight back all they want, they can bomb the Kremlin all they want. No one said they can’t. They just have to use the weapons THEY built or they BOUGHT.
You can’t beg for weapons to defend yourself then use those weapons offensively. That’s not how it works
You need help pushing them back across the border? Ok we’ll help. You want to go on the attack? Build or buy your own weapons
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So does Sub-Saharan Africa but it takes more than that.
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Finland was aligned with the Nazis—weird revisionism.
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>But considering Finland has one of the largest artilleries in Europe we can assume some of those weapons provided can indeed reach Russia.
With an arsenal of 700 howitzers, 700 heavy mortars and 100 multiple rocket launchers, Finland has the largest artillery capacity in Western Europe, that is correct. But Finland does not have a single self-propelled artillery which is purely Finnish. Exactly the same applies to multiple rocket launcher systems. So if Finland (of its really limited number) has surrendered any of its self-propelled artillery or multiple rocket launcher systems, it does not matter for the topic here, as Finland cannot specify for any of these systems that they may be used to attack targets in Russia. That leaves only howitzers. Of course you can say the '155 k 98' has a range of 40km, but Finland only has 56 of them and I doubt that they will be given away. The rest of the howitzers usually have a range of less than 30km. So no, I don't believe that Finland has provided any weapons that can hit the Russian bases, nor do I believe that Finland is even in a position to pass such weapons on to Ukraine.
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I just imagine enough Nokia 5160s falling from the sky that it blots out the sun.
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And as they say, an ~~ele~~Finn~~t~~ never forgets
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dude we were making *plausible* movies about the literal nuclear apocalypse as late as 1984.
i was 11 when the wall came down and could not believe what i was seeing, so i get ya.
if you get a chance, you should read [Why Nations Go To War.](http://sbroome.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/132747549/Why%20Nations%20Go%20to%20War%20.pdf) It's an old PoliSci textbook and the guy who wrote it died a decade ago i think, but even given the latest edition is now about 15 years old i think, it's insights into the events it covers (which is basically every major conflict since WWI) are *extremely* enlightening, and you absolutely can see the echoes of everything as far back *as* WWI impacting today's events.
Now that it's a PDF and not a $300 textbook, I will be pushing this on everyone i can find.
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i'm sure there's some rule 34 like that
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dude, they were working trump over since 1980.
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The train crew has better survival odds than a T-72 crew.
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This except from his wiki is absurd. I love it:
*Häyhä's war memoir states that they captured a Soviet soldier, blindfolded him, spun him around until he was disoriented, and then took him to a party in the tent of Häyhä's company Lieutenant Aarne "The Terror of Morocco" Juutilainen. The Soviet soldier was overjoyed by the carousing and was disappointed when he was released.*
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Poland now too, apparently
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Boris Yeltsin's search for ‘the right’ Prime Minister towards the end of his presidency was driven by his need for a trustworthy successor who could guarantee both his personal and political security after he left office. Eg: someone he could trust to coverup his corruption.
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Sure, see Iraq for an example of how simple it is to occupy an entire country. Russia is the largest country in the world.
Best of luck
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oh please. You guys spin a load of crap saying you only wanted to be friend, but mean Russia wanted war.
Like idiots Russians seriously thought they were part of the western world. They thought they had a sit at the table and their voice would be part of a 'democratic' process.
But no, all they wanted was the oil. They were blocked out of any geopolitical decisions, with every attempt made to isolate them from their traditional allies.
You thing the right sector weren't neonazis? C4? These fucks were the guys 'civilized' Europeans like Finland supported. The one thing they didn't want was a strong and influencial Russia. They didn't want to hear Russia's opinion, they wanted them subservient and docile.
Fuck off with the 'oh. we just wanted to be friends'.
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