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>  I don’t support Hamas, and I’m willing to bet that most of the people who are against the war are on the same side.  I've never seen an anti-Hamas protest banner from an "anti-war (anti-Israel) protestor.  And note, "I dont support" is not the same as "I oppose". Even if you don't directly support them, you definitely aren't speaking in opposition to them.  This is a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation. 
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Honestly, enough of this. First off, you don’t get to define what antisemitism is to a Jew. Second, Israel is the only Jewish majority country in the world, and it is intrinsically tied to both Jewish culture and Jewish religion—two topics you clearly know very little about since you’re just repeating a rationalization you’ve heard online to justify your anti-Zionism.
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2024-30-05
It was necessary to make my comment clear. I guess I could’ve left out that term but it would’ve been more ambiguous.
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2024-30-05
Money
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2024-30-05
Having a home country is still important. It's like saying Poland has a larger diaspora than its national population, therefore Poland isn't necessary.
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2024-31-05
Now talk about how every politician is an Aipac dog
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2024-03-06
What about the videos of IDF using children as human shields and shooting them in the feet while they play soccer?
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2024-29-05
Well well well! That's not a NEWs
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2024-01-06
Why now though? I'm assume he's wanting to repair relationships with India, or there's very little reason for this currently. 
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2024-29-05
Yeah they do that sometimes, don't they.
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2024-29-05
[Surtr is angry about something.](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11135/111350946/6467269-2672365838-0edd9.gif)
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2024-29-05
Pretty sure I killed him in Quake...
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2024-30-05
Karma farmer
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>if you ask Egypt about it, they'll say they saw nothing... That's actually possible, at least at high levels. I imagine on the ground that between payoffs and ideology, there are some officials who look the other way, then report up the chain that nothing wrong is going on in their sector.
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2024-29-05
\*free rein, but basically Egypt wants to keep all this shit at a distance, like cats in a bag. And since the global PR campaign has everyone pointing their fingers at Israel instead of them, why would they stop?
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2024-29-05
The ticket is free, but then Ticketmaster's fees, I tell ya
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2024-29-05
It’s genuinely pissing me off how many people on my instagram have reposted that image. It makes me feel like I’m watching the mind virus in real time as more and more of the people on my timeline fall prey to it. Makes me wonder if they have any freaking clue whats really going on.
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2024-29-05
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2024-29-05
They are not carpet bombing them. That's not what is going on here, at all. If they did that, it would make many more dead. Not sure what leadership you think is about compassion, which leadership in the world is about that?
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2024-29-05
The funny thing is, Hamas is punishing their own people by still holding hostages and hiding between civilians, while stealing food and resources. Jews around the world are getting collective punishments by pro Palestine idiots, who are marking and attacking jews for actions of the Israeli government. How about that? It's third Reich shit right there.
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2024-29-05
Have you seen the footage from Gaza for months? They certainly aren’t strategically targeting Hamas. The death toll is enormous and a huge number are just children. If you still want to defend them, you do that, and I hope one day you don’t have to see yourself, your child, or another loved one get their head blown off for no crime of their own. But you do, please remember your stance here.
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2024-29-05
Apparently [that may have been a mistranslation](https://x.com/LahavHarkov/status/1795704914892722183).
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2024-29-05
I'm a leftist in every regard except foreign policy because I realize that I don't, and more importantly can't, actually know anything truthful about foreign events in real time. I vote for an executive to be more informed than I reasonably can be in that regard.
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2024-29-05
I’m at a loss with Biden’s take on the stuff happening in Palestine. Option a is piss off American Muslims and Option b is piss off a lot of American Jews. On the flip side Trump would go even harder. Apparently Rick Grenell, the supposed front runner for SoS (fuck us all if this happens), was in Michigan trying to persuade Muslim Americans to join the Trump coalition and it did not go well.
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2024-29-05
He said mishap
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2024-29-05
He said mishap. That was prior to an investigation which revealed the fact that there were munitions stored at the target (180 meters from the shelter).
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2024-29-05
So “it was mishap” is the out here? How is the description of a mishap vs no, no it was weapons storage. You don’t have to be a legal scholar to see how this is very inconsistent with it was weapons storage.
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2024-29-05
Louder for the college kids in the back
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2024-29-05
No, but "guys hiding in a school with rocket launchers and trying to attack Israeli towns" are valid military targets even if civilians die in the process and it's not Israel's fault they hide in the school.  Hamas is holding their own people hostage to try and deal more damage. Allowing that to succeed is a bigger threat to the legitimacy of Israel and the international order than collateral damage.
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2024-29-05
Note, I never said they were, I asked if they were, as my interpretation of their position was that Israel should t attack Hamas targets near civilians, but all Hamas targets are near civilians by design, thus their stance is de facto advocating for Hamas. Pray tell, what type of people do you think I advocate for?
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2024-29-05
That's what happens when the civilians move somewhere and the terrorists move with them. The place they moved to that had 0 terrorists, now has terrorists and thus is no longer safe...
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2024-29-05
Biden doesn’t have a line. Israel has a blank cheque and it doesn’t matter how many civilians die. Heck, even Israel isn’t keeping track of civilian deaths, just ask them.
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2024-29-05
You think WWII was fought over jews? or that the US went into europe because of jews?
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2024-29-05
My moneys on enough nukes to take out most or all potential adversaries in the Middle East and Africa.
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2024-29-05
Why do we set Hamas as the benchmark we lower our standards to? “If only this evil terrorist organisation didn’t do X, we wouldn’t have to slaughter over 35,000 people. Sadly there is literally no other solution and we are justified in all regards”
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2024-29-05
When did this war begin?
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2024-29-05
I'm glad they're investigating! I wish the police in the U.S. would do internal investigations like that...
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2024-29-05
Why wouldn’t Hamas just surrender already? Enough is enough.
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2024-29-05
What would YOU want if your family was killed on 10-7? What would you do when your best friend has already been blow up by suicide attacks before this? What would you want if your grandmother is blind and is missing a leg becuse of a blast set off in public on a bus? What happens when EVERYONE you know likely knows someone who has been physically or psychologically hurt from this long modern conflict? It’s so easy to press opinions from places where terror never happens, much less violent crime etc. Yes, the Palestinians are in a tough spot. But can anyone in the local area decide if they at any point will pick something to live for or something to die for enough to select help and be transparent enough to get Hamas out? ALL we keep hearing from their leadership and child soldiers is that they will keeping trying to kill Israel until they are gone. And since their “allies” only seem to use their struggle for leverage it’s not great but every nation has a right to peace. Until Palestine and their citizens just admit shit isn’t getting solved, push out Hamas and their like forever and conceded that the gears of history are not and have never been (very sadly) on their side, they are the smaller party and if they keep this shit up, their neighbors will make sure the area is peaceful…with them in it or not. This thing is complicated but as long as they keep saying they’re going to kill their bigger, more advanced neighbors….they are making poor choices.
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2024-29-05
It doesn't matter, theyre just here to strawman and circlejerk
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2024-29-05
This is what the IDF is saying, which obviously should be taken with a grain of salt. From the video it's obviously there was a secondary explosion but that could be from stored munitions or could be from a fuel storage depot. We don't know, and probably never will but in general you shouldn't unilaterally trust anything Hamas says and like wise shouldn't unilaterally trust anything the IDF says. It does appear tho in this case Israel took some care to minimize collateral damage by using a smaller missile. Tho I wouldn't call a 37lb bomb small it's isn't as big as some of the other bombs they have dropped a lot closer to civilian targets. Maybe they could have done more, maybe they did all they could and it still back fired on them but I think some of the international pressure has got to them and they are at least trying to be more careful to avoid killing civilians. Had this happened a few months ago I don't think Israel would have hesitated to use a 500lb jdam and call it a day.
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2024-29-05
Well yeah they actually did when they murdered, raped, and tortured over 1200 civilians, took many more as hostages whom are mostly dead by now and started this war. Also storing weapon caches near civilians ( another war crime, shocking I know ) which exploded causing these civilian deaths. Yeah, pretty sure that’s on Hamas.
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2024-29-05
I love fantasy land.
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2024-29-05
Poor Hamas! How would you feel if your only job would be to kill jews, and Israel dont let you finish?? And worst you kill your own people. Hamas men just wants to work in peace like any other person in this world.. killing jews is a job as old as the bible. /s
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2024-29-05
After US occupation mind you
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2024-29-05
The knife missles are terrifying
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2024-29-05
Israel's land has come through Palestinians starting and then losing wars. Really throughout the 1900s. So....
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2024-29-05
Well, they’re welcome to stop bombing innocent people any time now!
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2024-29-05
It wasn’t misguided, it was a deliberate lie. Trump preyed on people’s fear and frustrations to get elected and then did absolutely nothing to fulfill his promises aside from oppression and bigotry. And based on what the GOP has lined up it’ll be more of the same if he gets elected.
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2024-29-05
You seem like an expert on the subject. Can you share the video as well as proof of identity for all individuals involved?
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2024-29-05
I agree its a disasterous oversight, but he's not "insufficiently pro Palestine" it's that he's *AGGRESSIVELY* pro Israel. If he were the bland moderate he was known for and just mostly pro Israel while showing a modicum of understanding he'd be fairing much better.
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2024-29-05
the more people feign outrage, the more likely Hamas will put children in harms way. Matter of fact if evidence came out that Hamas deliberately started the fire after their commanders were struck, I won't be one bit surprised.
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2024-29-05
The further back you go, the more you shake your head at literally every faction involved in this never-ending clusterfuck of hatred and crime against humanity. Neither Israel nor Palestine are close to clean.
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2024-29-05
Yeah so? Some ivaders attack your land and you lose because you are not supported by bigger countries, is that ok with you?
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2024-29-05
The other guy says that [Israel needs to finish the job and that they have to have victory](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html)! There is no analysis where Trump is better for Palestinians than Biden.
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2024-29-05
I already acknowledged that, I dont know what you mean to accomplish here.
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Dude what? Did you even read the article? One Israeli official said that it’s a possibility that if weapons were hit it could have caused the fire. But on the other hand so could the 2 30 pound bombs dropped in the area. There’s no evidence that there were weapons stored there and that’s not even the theory presented by the Israeli or US government
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2024-29-05
Israel has very rarely started the wars. Take the war of 1947/1948. The un granted Israeli settlements, roughly 30% of the size of modern Israel, as Israel (land came from the British ownership). Palestinians refused to coexist with the Jews, so they attacked. Then they lost, had the nabka, and now they cry about it. Much of the land that was "stolen" had a similar arc. Look up the war of 1973 as a great example of this happening again.
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2024-29-05
Sharp as a fucking cue ball, this one.
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2024-29-05
And most of the world practiced slavery at one point. Doesn't make either of these things right.
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2024-29-05
I'm just baffled by the leftist who says I don't want Trump to win, I just want Biden to lose.
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2024-29-05
Its not an ethical defense, but it *is* something that has to be contended with. Hamas is an extremist group far outgunned by Israel and trying to represent a populace in extreme turmoil, who benefits from increased support whenever Israeli attacks and kills civilians. They have no real incentive to stop using human shields, so nobody should expect them to. Civilians, including many many many children, have suffered absolutely horrible deaths and suffering as a result of these conflicts, so something needs to change - and that change cannot be contingent on Hamas suddenly becoming reasonable. Because that simply won't happen.
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2024-30-05
Find me a single war where any army had to put the lives of its enemy as its first priority. It's absolutely ridiculous Israel's first priority is getting the hostages back and taking out Hamas, who, I must remind you, have promised to commit October 7 again and again. Avoiding civilian casualties is way down the line in the priority list, but way under preventing future terror attacks and the constant rocket barrages and the safety of the Israeli soldiers. As for how much is too many? I have an answer to that: go look at any other, modern, urban war of this kind. You'd be surprised to find out that the combatant to civillian death ratio is on par and even lower than similar wars.
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2024-30-05
How can anyone believe rapists and murderers are innocent? What in the world?
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2024-30-05
Maybe? I know it’s going back a long time, but we didn’t kill all of the Japanese generals? Not sure about the Iraqi military or whatever is/was left of Al Qaeda. The Palestinians have so much leverage right now with their PR. If Hamas came forward with a non insane 2-state solution and peace plan, Israel would be forced to negotiate. All I hear from Hamas is that they won’t stop until Israel doesn’t exist anymore. If Israel and the Saudis can get along, so can Israel and the Palestinians.
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>Ignoring their control of the entire region is a little disingenuous, but ok. Disingenuous characterizations are disingenuous. There's a reason thousands of rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel in the past 20 years and none successfully from the West Bank. There's a reason there is settler violence in the West Bank and none in Gaza. The two situations are vastly different. To imply that they are the same is beyond disingenuous, it's dishonest. >I'm sorry, what?? I didn't move that goal post, you did. Claiming two different things are the same is moving the goalposts. And you keep flipping back and forth: >I specifically pointed to the West Bank as an example of what already happens in the absence of Hamas, thus there's absolutely no reason to believe Israel will do anything better in the future of Gaza. So are they different or the same? Is what is happening in the West Bank better or worse? You can't have it both (all four) ways. I'll put a finer point on it: what's happening in Gaza is worse than what's happening in the West Bank, and it's because Israel left it to the terrorists to run it. Gaza is more peaceful because Israel is occupying it. >Choice? What choice? Are you talking about the one election 18 years ago? Something the vast majority of Gazans where either not alive for or children at the time off? The election that then lead to Hamas creating a civil war over eradicating any opposition? In what world is that still a choice? Yes, that's the one. It was a really bad choice and one that they'd make again today if an election was held again. No, the adults of Gaza don't get to disavow this choice by citing their children, whom they are indoctrinating to make the same choice, didn't make it. Moreover, if the people of Gaza and their supporters around the world did actually believe that they were prisoners of Hamas, the protest messages would be different. They'd be calling for freeing Palestine from Hamas. They don't. We both know you're full of shit for even suggesting it.
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2024-30-05
It's a warzonsm what tou don't seem to understand is that the goal of international law is to discourage the use of human shields, not to grant you immunity by using them.
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2024-30-05
Lots of hired disinformation bots lately
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2024-30-05
United States: The US literally at war for over the past 20 years, multiple terrorist attackers etc. You: ignorant westerners you don’t know about war!
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2024-30-05
would still NOT catch fire. tents would need time to ignite. here's a 500kg bomb for example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OtyTTlHhtg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OtyTTlHhtg)
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2024-30-05
The consensus is what you call the ignorant If only world leaders were as smart as you Give me a number: how many dead civilians for one dead Hamas member Just give an answer
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2024-30-05
Exactly, it’s disgusting to watch people justify the IDF’s actions
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2024-30-05
Eh, there is actual leadership though. I’m sure there are 2-3 guys who could ensure that there are no more attacks on Israel.
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2024-30-05
Incorrect No other country would go out of its way to avoid civillian casualties, nor would it be expected to make it its number 1 priority Only Isrsel is analyzed under a microscope like this
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I mean, the situation in the OP is exactly such an example. The Israelis used a truly tiny bomb to go after a legitimate target and due to Hamas's use of human shields around an ammo or fuel dump, an unexpected secondary explosion and fire killed dozens of civilians. This was a war crime -- by Hamas.
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How can there be a number? You’re implying there should be some sort of limit, like 40k civilians killed, but not a single one after that. I can guarantee you Israel does not have a limit like that. Their goal is peace. Until both sides agree to stop fighting, there will be unlimited civilian casualties.
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2024-30-05
You can't tell the similarities (indoctrinated people fighting beyond it's capabilities resulting in immense casualty numbers on its civilians)? Why would you expect an answer to a nonsensical question? It's worth fighting hamas until there are no more rocket barrages into Israel and all hostages are back in Israel's hands.
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2024-30-05
So the total population of Palestine is around 5 million We both know Israel isn’t going to end up killing 5 million people right? So, can you just say that 5 million people aren’t worth the life of killing I dunno… one terrorist? Can you at least say that? You don’t lose anything by saying it
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Nice try at two siding this, but prisoners who were involved in terrorism are not the same as families snatched from their homes after having their friends and family murdered in front of their eyes. You could Maybe equate them with the active duty soldiers that were taken, but the comparison ends when it comes to the conditions which they are held in. The red cross has no access to them, and we don't know if they are dead or alive. A lot of hostages were found murdered. Those who are hopefully still alive are kept in un hunane conditions starved and toetured. The women, based on the videos Hamas posted and their testimony, are being raped. There is 0 moral equivalency here, none.
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Sorry if you don’t think it’s a fair question but unfortunately it’s the only question at hand. Give a number. How about… there’s a terrorist but he’s surrounded by 50 civilians is it worth it? Measure your morality
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Here's the problem: Most of your points, if not all of them, work for both sides. Palestinians have been killed with little to no consequence for many years, land has been taken unlawfully, and Israel has often shown little regard for civilian life when fighting Hamas. For these people, it no longer matters who started it or where exactly you draw the line of acceptable tactics. Both sides are emotionally compromised to the point that neither can make rational decisions. Ironically the only ones that can at least attempt to analyse this mess are the ones far away from the terror and whether by stronger propaganda or by actual facts, many chose the side that says Israel is going too far - with the full spectrum going from "both suck but Israel has the stronger leverage and thus should make the first step" to actually supporting Hamas (which in my opinion is stupid, but some people are just that). Arguments like yours, while absolutely understandable on a human level, are sadly not constructive when the goal is to find a way out that doesn't include eradicating one group of people entirely.
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In this blood libel of yours, why doesn't Israel kill hundreds of thousands of arabs from the air? They have them rounded up, they have the capability of doing it, what's stopping them? Why allow aid, send warninfs and open humanitarian corridors if the goal is to kill as many arabs as possible?
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>United States: The US literally at war for over the past 20 years, multiple terrorist attackers etc. The US isn't at war and hasn't been since we left Afghanistan in 2021. And even then, the definition of "war" gets thin. We were in a peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan and Iraq for almost all of those "wars". No, the average redditor kid has not seen the US involved in a real war.
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2024-30-05
That's not how the dafe zones work. Go so yoyr homework.
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Uhh, you mean exactly 1 country: the US.
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2024-30-05
at that speed of ignition? no?
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I take it you would feel better if there was a limit? Ok, the negotiation begins at 5 million. We should let one terrorist live if it saves 5 million people. Let me know when we get down to one terrorist left alive or reach 5 million civilians killed.
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>The consensus is what you call the ignorant... It doesn't matter how many people agree with you if none of them know what they are talking about. That's not how the world works. >Give me a number: how many dead civilians for one dead Hamas member >Just give an answer We've already discussed that: it's a bullshit question and you know it. It would have been better to ask that ignorant/simplistic "gotcha" question before I explained why it's bullshit.
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2024-30-05
You do realize that MOST people vocal about this situation AREN’T redditors right? This isn’t a Reddit popularity contest and you aren’t a swifty
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2024-30-05
Excellent. You agree that there is a limit. Your limit is 5 million dead civilians per terrorist but at least you have one That’s a start.
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2024-30-05
I'm okay with the outcome of WWII, so let's see: > According to most sources, World War II was the most lethal war in world history, with some 70 million killed in six years. The civilian to combatant fatality ratio in World War II lies somewhere between 3:2 and 2:1, or from 60% to 67%
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2024-30-05
There’s something quite rich about terrorist supporters like yourself calling others unhinged. What a world we live in.
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2024-30-05
But if human shields mean you can't do anything about a hostile enemy then it just encourages more human shields which is why it's a war crime. 
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