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Should probably remove the work think and just be tank.
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2024-30-05
Exactly, this has been war gamed and discussed by the US and NATO for years, Russia / Putin is in a place where they know what the consequences are, they have been acting like the biggest Bear in the woods only to struggle for 2 years with a much “weaker” Adversary. Finland, Norway, Poland and Sweden are pretty tired of his shit, and they are not even the main NATO powers.
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2024-30-05
Why, you already did with Chernobyl? Just give Putin a cup of yummy tea near a penthouse suite window.
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2024-30-05
I think he is.
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2024-30-05
Yeah, while the children of Putin, Lavrov, Peskov and the other war criminals are living in the Netherlands, New York, London and Paris, I think we can safely assume that they are either not going to detonate a nuclear bomb in America/Europe or they are willing to incinerate their own children in a nuclear holocaust. I don't think so. At least some of them love their children in some way or the other. They are bluffing. They are desperate, because the NATO allies of Ukraine are upping the game by "not ruling out" sending troops to Ukraine. Putin is afraid, because he knows that any real NATO involvment would spell doom for his "special military operations".
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2024-30-05
Yes, I recommend Putin to nuke Kremlin. This will show the west that Russians are truly insane and nothing is impossible!
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2024-30-05
Or Hungarian leader Viktor Orban!
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2024-30-05
You’re not.
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2024-30-05
a bluff remains being a bluff, even if you enlarged the bluff. everything else could cross red lines. if this isn’t a bluff too, who knows.
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2024-30-05
That makes sense. The war in Ukraine hasn’t ended as quickly as Putin wanted it to. 
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2024-30-05
That they are desperate again. Noticed how their constant "NUKU!!!! NUK U!!!!!" even from Medvedev stopped when the republicans blocked aid for Ukraine and russia gained the advantage and managed to advance? Lately there have been reports that the russian advance is slowing/halting again, i thought that it was too soon and maybe a bit too good to be true already, but if they are back to desperate nuke threats nobody takes serious.... That and they are shitting bricks at the thought that now all countries are slowly going to allow ukraine to attack russia directly.
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2024-30-05
It would probably demonstrate that the corruption has run into the nuclear program and nothing has been maintained and a large chunk of equipment no longer works, has been parted out or sold off. If Putin has braincells there would be a very real fear that the test would fail and he would embarrass himself... Again.
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2024-30-05
I’m sure NATO will demonstrate a strike right up your ass, but hey, your call.
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2024-30-05
And then the last important country's that "support" russia wil stop supporting him.
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2024-30-05
At the very least, I'd think this would prompt the west to send far more money/aid/weapons/supplies into Ukraine, and faster, no? In rapid response. Hopefully none of this nuclear shit happens of course.
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2024-30-05
boom! Within hours the ruble is crippled and developed countries start deporting the millions of innocent settled Russians back to the motherland.
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2024-30-05
They absolutely have the GDP to have working nukes.
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2024-30-05
You're willing to bet your family on a single guy standing up to Putin? I'm not
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2024-30-05
Climate change is a thing to keep people like you distracted. It worked great.
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2024-30-05
Except it’s not a single guy. I’m using an example. The point is, between the threat of a return strike and the amount of people who do not want any of that to happen, I just don’t understand the level of fear in Russia’s nuclear threats. If anything, fear gives them the power and that’s what they want.
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2024-30-05
Yes, because it’s not a defense pact. The countries involved aren’t obligated to defend it. Russia invading made the treaty pretty much useless.
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2024-30-05
> Again, all dependent upon Ukraine developing a nuclear weapons program with zero international aid Right, just like Pakistan and N. Korea did. They are not a country of imbeciles. >What we’re describing is Iran That's disingenuous or ignorant. Ukraine was home to several important scientific research institutions that contributed to the Soviet nuclear program. These institutions were involved in nuclear physics research, reactor design, and the development of nuclear technologies. The [Kharkiv Institute of Physics and Technology (KIPT)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Institute_of_Physics_and_Technology) was one of the prominent centers for nuclear research in Ukraine. In Ukraine’s GDP was approximately $49.5 billion and they received less than $1 billion each year in aid. They definitely should have held out for more of a guarantee or kept the nukes.
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> North Korea was gifted their nuclear weapons, Not true. They had assistance with nuclear energy, not making weapons. Why would Russia or China do that anyway? > I suspect espionage was responsible for one or both of their advancements. Doesn't change any of my point. Ukraine has had a long history of nuclear research and know how. >And again, to put things in perspective the United States’ GDP $943 billion in 1940. Not very relevant to the argument because the Manhattan Project was pioneering technology that was well established 50 years later. >Institute to actually start a nuclear weapons program, Ukraine could not afford it. Not with a GDP 5% that which funded the Manhattan Project. Again, bad logic -- read above. You are tenacious as hell, but your argument isn't holding up.
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I had really hoped I wouldn’t have to dissect what “gifted” means. Yes, North Korea received considerable support with their nuclear program from fellow communist countries. They did it because the Korean war showed that the Chinese could only hope for a stalemate in a nonnuclear confrontation. However, they didn’t help them with a delivery system. As such, NK’s nuclear range is fairly limited. If it were to one day turn on China or Russia (China, more accurately) the damage it could do would be limited while it would face total destruction in a nuclear conflict. And I’m sorry, I’ve heard nothing but maybes and mights from your side of the argument. *Maybe* Ukraine could have cracked Russia’s launch codes. *Maybe* they could have developed a weapons program to reclaim those weapons. They *might* have been able to develop all of this while politically isolated. It’s fantasy and I’m not going to treat it as anything but. The simple truth is that Ukraine didn’t have the means to take full advantage of their nuclear arsenal, was in a dire economic situation, saw their other two counterparts giving up their arsenals for economic aid, and decided to do the same thing in exchange for a nonaggression treaty. We can talk about what could have been but we can’t ignore that Ukraine chose the safer path over the more risky one.
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> I had really hoped I wouldn’t have to dissect what “gifted” means. Yeah, that was just you making stuff up and hoping you wouldn't get called out on it. >As such, NK’s nuclear range is fairly limited. Again, making stuff up. The Hwasong-17 can reach California or Moscow. >We can talk about what could have been but we can’t ignore that Ukraine chose the safer path over the more risky one. They should have either kept the nukes or hold on to them until a binding treaty of non-aggression came from both the USA and Russia -- one that would ensure that they would get immediate military support from the USA if Russia compromised her boarders. On top of that they should have held on to much more of their nonnuclear military weapons than they agreed to.
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Both knowingly and unknowingly. Billions of dollars went into the construction of the tunnels in Gaza, and yet many NGOs and aid organizations insisted that more cement should be sent over. Take the current war as an extreme example. * Half the planet is donating aid to Gaza (to be distributed for free). * Aid is seized by Hamas (and other groups) * Aid is sold to Palestinians. Hamas & co made about $500m from aid in the past 8 months alone. Examples: [https://x.com/imshin/status/1733517680718549197](https://x.com/imshin/status/1733517680718549197) [https://x.com/VerminusM/status/1769046049392386132](https://x.com/VerminusM/status/1769046049392386132)
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2024-29-05
Already happening... they use drones.
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2024-29-05
They want Israel to disappear and all hostilities to end in fairytale fashion with the Palestinians triumphantly having their own land. They don’t care how Israel is gotten rid of.
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He’s just a walking joke at this point. I think a lot of his hatred stems from the fact that he’s secretly gay and can’t be open due to his religion and public persona.
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2024-29-05
No, based on Israeli estimates for Hamas construction costs, it probably is billions they wasted on terror tunnels. Not in labor, but in materials and the high cost of smuggling.
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2024-29-05
They’ve been constructing them for decades, the Vietcong ain’t got shit on the Hamas tunnel network.
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No civilian bomb shelters.
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2024-29-05
Some of them don't care about what happens to Israelis, others are openly salivating for the violent death and torture of Jews.
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What countries have more Intel about where Hamas is operating than Israel? Are the Country reports you trust the same ones that deny tunnels under Al-Shifa?
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With this logic you’d be more inclined to believe the UN and the schools they taught under as a lot of nations and ‘prestige’s’ people claimed the UN isn’t corrupt. Maybe in this specific war it looks like the minority, Israelis are getting the short end of the PR machine compared to the stuff spewing out against them.. to me you gotta weight this factor as well.
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> but we're at 1/3 that rn  The issue with that theory is that you're including Hamas and Palestinian combatants. 
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2024-29-05
These aren’t those kind of tunnels, they’re heavily reinforced for both the terrain and to keep them safe from air strikes.
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2024-29-05
I think its pretty clear hes gone
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2024-29-05
That dude is long gone. It’s really stupid the Mossad hasn’t taken out the guys kicked out of Qatar (if that ever happened). They need to go after the “safe” Hamas leadership, with the insane wealth. I’m starting to think the Mossad isn’t as bad ass as I was told to believe.
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2024-29-05
FREE GAZA. From Hamas.
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2024-29-05
Even if Hamas are “defeated” the Likudniks and other even further right people in Israel will find ways to continue the cycle of violence — people will need to be assassinated, houses demolished, of course movement of people and goods totally restricted and controlled. Peace isn’t the point, forever conflict is, to justify the colonial project of an ethno-nationalist control over an area that now has a slight Muslim majority.
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2024-29-05
Dont even bother man some disgustingly blind comments in the recent threads completely lacking any human sympathy.
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2024-29-05
Seems like Israel now needs to go into Egypt to get rid of hamas....
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Helicopters are notoriously dangerous. They can’t climb fast or stay at a high altitude like a plane, but they are some of the only means of traveling in remote areas. At 15m visibility, you don’t have time to climb considering your not crawling along at 20 mph.
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2024-29-05
When duty calls at the same time nature does...
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2024-30-05
And what would you do if your neighboring country was constantly launching rockets at you from their hospitals?
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2024-30-05
Apologise for stealing so much of their land, driving them out of their homes, murdering their children for 70 years? Seriously, why do so many want to ignore what pushed them into these refugee camps in the first place? [2023 is the deadliest year on record for Palestinians in the West Bank](https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/palestinians-west-bank-2023-was-deadliest-year-record). And this is mostly only about Israel bombing the fuck out of refugee camps BEFORE October 7. And you want to pretend that Israel is some kind of innocent victim, just protecting themselves? They've been driving an endless cycle of terror and escalation for 70)+ years.
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Come on, it's not that long of a distance, only 100km more than the entire NY subway system /s
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So Hamas, the government of Gaza, raped and slaughtered a bunch of Israeli civilians because of what happened in the West Bank? Wow they're so noble and pure
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2024-30-05
Pics?
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My original estimation was total Palestinians regardless of Hamas affiliation. The actual problem of my estimation is idk how many Palestinians would have died by natural or civilian causes (e.g. regular homicide, car accident, etc) during the same time period. Considering so many people are so young in Gaza, the number was probably pretty small.
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That’s only if you care when it fails. Tunnel collapses? Who’s going to tell? What tunnel?
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This is probably their biggest military milestone of the conflict. It's over for Hamas.
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then you get to watch their signal appear and reappear at the start and end of the tunnel
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What a disgusting and dehumanizing thing to say
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2024-30-05
I’ve had someone when I ask this question say yes they should just forget about me. A PP. shortly after I asked her to leave my home
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2024-30-05
It's impressive how you can simultaneously move goal posts, ignore facts provided for you and STILL dick ride Israel
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2024-30-05
Imagine what they could build for themselves if they built things to benefit their children instead of attack their neighbors
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No, they aren't required by international law to win this war. But they are required by their mission of countering Hamas's invasion to strike military targets where they are. As Article 28 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states clearly: “The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.” The war crime is to set your defenses among your civilian population, throwing them under the bus as meat shields. Blaming their enemy only validates this war crime, and encourages more of it. >"Never Again" means the current Israeli government, Likud, needs to be ousted. This kind of hyperbole doesn't help. The war will end when **Hamas surrenders**. Israelis, including the 20% of them who are Palestinian Arabs, will deal with Likud on their own time.
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[Doesn't necessarily have to be a bomb](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/cpsprodpb/D94C/production/_126182655_hellfire_r9x_2x640-nc.png.webp)
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2024-30-05
Palestinian civilians aren't allowed to use Hamas tunnels.
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2024-30-05
here you go fucko [https://streamable.com/lr0n27](https://streamable.com/lr0n27)
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Wait was the US supplying them with arms? No? Then sit down
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Those aren't tunnels bruh.
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My feelings on this are much the same as yours, but I don't think Hamas is interested in building or maintaining Gaza as a society. Their use for Gaza is to provoke Israel into reprisals that harm innocents and so draw support from the rest of the world for their mission. They do not care if the citizens die, that's just good PR for them. They're waging an ideological war to isolate Israel from it's western allies. Israel, for it's part, is playing into their hands, I think.
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In their mind (because that's all they've known) Israel would bomb their above ground buildings or take over their land. So using all that energy towards building above ground doesn't even cross their minds as a fruitful endeavor.
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"Tunnels found under the Egypt-Palestine border" isn't really a story though, is it?
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Claiming ethnic cleansing from the civilian casualties caused directly by a terror regime’s refusal to care for their own lives is a bold move cotton Let’s see what herr goebbels thinks
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2024-30-05
Clearly you’re wrong. Hope you’re enjoying supporting a terrorist organization tho.
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When they do, jewish settlers just take it.
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There wasn’t famine because there was food aid. Now the food aid isn’t making it through. Cause and effect shouldn’t be this hard for you. Holding Palestine solely responsible for decades of conflict ignores Israeli complicity in the perpetuation of Hamas, Netanyahu’s government deliberately sabotaging peace efforts, and ignores the role Israel’s repressive (often brutal) treatment of Palestinians has in driving recruitment for Hamas. Just because Hamas are pure evil doesn’t mean we should be giving Israel a pass on their own transgressions. Israel will never gain peace if their only solution is trying to beat Palestine into submission. Terrorist movements aren’t defeated through arms alone. Vengeance and reprisals just seed further conflict. Colombia achieved peace with FARC through a political solution. The UK achieved peace with the IRA through a political solution.
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I’ve always sided with Israel on this topic up until the recent events. The level of global propaganda has become intolerable. The article clearly states Anti-Israel, but OP chose to reword that headline. The more you try to control the narrative the more disgusting you’ll appear to the world and neutrals like myself.
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All equipment is only as good as the crew and while I’m sure they are doing their best, American tanks are designed to be successfully operated by Americans.
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Yeah, literally, lol. The last part is entirely it. War will always stay the fucking same vile disgustingness it is.
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2024-29-05
Tanks are generally more useful in offense than defense. You can make stationary guns much bigger as you sont have to worry about recoil, weight, fuel, ammo, mobility etc. Concrete bunkers are cheaper than lightweight armour by far. Defending is also often easier than attacking as you know where the enemy will come from and have supplies/cover/support. Only when you face huge numbers or firepowee are you disadvantaged. Thes an old proverb 'one on the wall five in the field' Main things tanks are good for in defense is attacking supply lines and as a fast reaction force to 'plug gaps' in broken defensive lines or flank/counter mass armour assaults. The second tanks get too far from infantry support or anti air support a cheap drone, shell, missile or just a balsy lineman can take them out. Tanks take ground, fortifications hold them generally.
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It's not really about "want" more than it is about using whatever they have the best way they can. Ukraine *wants* more air-power and artillery to properly prepare the battlefield, but they don't have enough of it, because the aid they are getting is piecemeal and aircraft of all types are in short supply. Simply put, tanks are better when they are part of a team that can protect against the tanks' weaknesses. If you don't have artillery or aircraft to cover the tank's weaknesses, then you don't have a lot of options on how you use your tanks. Basically, it's like having a football team with a quarterback that can't throw, has only a couple of backs for offense and your only receivers can't catch or handle the ball. A team with those limitations is not going to do well. Even a good offensive line is going to miss something when there are literally 11 opposing players, either on the line of scrimmage or rushing, and they know that the run is the only play you can call. You can be creative, and that may work for a time, but how much can you do when 11 opponents know which three guys to focus on for *every* play? If you've seen YouTube videos of Russians trying to force tanks and APC's through minefields and down roads that Ukraine is actively guarding, then you know even Russia's best armor can easily get turned into deathtraps. The only plus here is that Russia is suffering under the same limitations. Unfortunately, for the time being, Russia has virtually unlimited replacements while you're limited to a significantly smaller number of men and tanks. That help?
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Even that wouldn't be enough, there were like 500 Gepards made for German army in cold war at height of an arms race... You have actual millions of drones in Ukraine when counting both sides, which are very small, might be tough to spot and engage before they get too close. We'll definitely see more modern SPAAGs though being integrated, Germany already makes them. >I think US doctrine would suffer quite a bit with the current drone war, but the assumption is that massive missile and air strikes would have taken out drone control centers and production facilities in the opening salvo of the conflict. You'd be surprised that this would probably be ineffective. Ukraine for example assembles drones in a very decentralized manner, you have bunch of guys, in bunch of different places assembling drones, it can be done in office building... it's not exactly factory. Both Russia and Ukraine are just buying parts from China. As for control centers, usually these drones are operated by small units in trenches or random buildings... not exactly centralized structure. Best chance you have is decent electronic warfare and massive strikes on area where you're planning your attack and then don't get bogged down which allows drone pilots to pick their targets. if you see most of the engagements they either happen to convoys of vehicles attacking which are seen from very long distances away (because drones are almost always flying) or when units get bogged down due to mines or other stuff and drone operators can just pick them off either via drops or FPVs.
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> As for control centers, usually these drones are operated by small units in trenches or random buildings... not exactly centralized structure. I was talking more about the Shahed / Lancet kind of drone, not the Quadcopters Ukraine is so fond of. But yeah.
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Ahh Brexit, the gift that keeps on taking
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thanks, I wanted to add "more than once".
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Poland, Finland and France are letting Putin know.
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It's "answering a baity question from a journalist' if something. Neither country needs the PR from it, or intended the statements to go this viral, but people are stupid.
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Poland is just upset that they can't use them directly at the moment.
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[US Secretary of State Blinken says Ukraine free to use US-made weapons to strike Russia](https://www.intellinews.com/us-secretary-of-state-blinken-says-ukraine-free-to-use-us-made-weapons-to-strike-russia-325478/#:%7E:text=Events-,US%20Secretary%20of%20State%20Blinken%20says%20Ukraine%20free%20to%20use,made%20weapons%20to%20strike%20Russia&text=US%20Secretary%20of%20State%20Antony%20Blinken%20said%20Ukraine%20has%20to,to%20strike%20targets%20inside%20Russia%20.)
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Can someone explain why they need permission, please? In my mind, if they're giving Ukraine weapons, they're supposed to strike Russian targets. That's the point of giving them weapons, right?
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Europe wants US to intervene so they can go back to bitching about America.  
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Because they know they’re next?
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Finland, France, Poland.
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France’s butt is kicked out of Africa.. UK and France are sidekicks for US and they can’t do much on their own nowadays
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RAP rounds would like to discuss your max range beliefs with you.
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I mean fuck Russia, but are we sure this isn't the thing that leads to WW3? Because this seems like the thing that leads to WW3.
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