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I'm sorry but being against Israel genocide makes you a tankie now....? Literally none of the protesters are in favor of Iran or Hamas.
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2024-30-05
We should drop that ninja missile the cia invented on this fucking prick. But don’t drop it directly on him. Drop it on his lower abdomen and make him suffer.
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2024-30-05
Leftist groups and activists have spent the last 6 months issuing statements that express solidarity for Hamas — condoning and, in many cases, actively praising their “violent resistance.” They similarly expressed solidarity with the Houthis and the Iranian regime for engaging in aggressive acts toward Israel and the West. This has happened, whether you plead ignorance or not.
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2024-30-05
most people dont say the quite part out loud though, hence why I asked, it felt quite brazen
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2024-30-05
The historical comparison is probably more apt. The Iranian Revolution was lead by a coalition of parties, in a general alliance with each other, which included left wing reformers and Islamists. After the revolution was successful, the Islamists turned on their former partners and eliminated them. While they continue to crack down on social reform, the story people try to preach is that the Islamists will be allies of the left until they get into a position of power.
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2024-30-05
Sure, if you ignore everyone else’s actions and motivations Israel seems quite unreasonable.
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2024-30-05
Don’t be so sure. The world is definitely changing right now and Russias defeat (and possible allies such as China, Iran, and NK) may not be as swift as many would like to think it would be.
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2024-30-05
Agree. This happening before the peace summit makes me think that Western leaders are trying to negotiate an end to the war before the U.S. election concludes.
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2024-30-05
Russia has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons on earth. Allowing Ukraine to attack inside Russian territory with weapons made in other countries could put these countries in danger of nuclear retaliation. However, that point is mostly mute. Russia must be defeated in Ukraine, and Ukraine needs every advantage it can get.
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2024-30-05
It’s nothing short of masterful war game chess moves that NATO hasn’t had to put any soldiers on the ground which would have resulted in a full scale conflict. When Ukraine wins, the entire world will owe a huge debt to them for ensuring this didn’t escalate into world war 3.
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2024-30-05
Really? You can't think of one reason?
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2024-30-05
Bout goddamned time, light em up boys!
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2024-30-05
This is an escalation. We have to expect all sorts of possible blow black from this including the possible use of a small nuclear weapon. I am sure the US has already considered this.
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2024-30-05
They'll probably get the greenlight to strike into Russian territory within close proximity to the border.
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2024-30-05
And that production rate is costing them a fortune they dont have
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2024-30-05
I am certain that there will be a direct military response by the West if nukes are used in Ukraine. To not respond forcefully completely upsets the world order, where dictators can now freely wage wars of conquest with nuclear weapons. It would lead to widespread nuclear proliferation and an inevitable nuclear war between countries. No world leader wants that. Xi and Biden will take Putin out to pasture if he shakes the tree that much. Politicians just want to continue grifting off the backs of their people; they don’t want the world to end.
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2024-30-05
China would go apeshit if Russia uses nukes, Xi has warned Putin against it in person. China does not want that pandoras box opened any more than the rest of the world does
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2024-30-05
What are you preparing? You're always preparing just go!
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2024-30-05
Russia's claims mean jackshit to anyone other than Russian apologists who are already pro Putin or people sympathetic to dictatorial interests. I get what you're saying that public support can be tenuous when it comes to supporting a war half a world away. However, there is a real and definitive violence of Russia's aggression playing out in front of our eyes and NATO should take every opportunity to stop it.
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2024-30-05
Good bye drone factories
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2024-30-05
I wish I had the same confidence in the fog of war as you do.
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2024-30-05
Yeah, I think so too. If they wanted maximum damage they would give Ukraine the OK behind closed doors, and when the russian troop-massing-locations are suddenly turned into a hellscape be like 'oh yeah, we gave them the green light for that'. Russia, or rather, Putin will never stop by talking. Peace talks will just be a short break for them to gather new forces before continuing after the peace talks fail. Every day this is drawn out, ukrainian lives are lost and russian lives saved. And it doesn't seem right that they are protecting the aggressor.
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2024-30-05
They have stuff that already blows up refineries, and limited ATACMS. The few they have would be more usefull taking on landed planes, helicopters, and ammo depots.
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2024-30-05
I think it's funny that Ukraine has been able to hold Russia back with one arm tied behind us back for this long. Noe lett's see how they go with both hands available.
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2024-30-05
The war machine runs on oil. Reduce their oil supply enough and they have no choice but to retreat with fuel they have left or worse yet do so on foot.
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2024-30-05
I'm just informing you of international standards. If you don't like them and want to make up your own rules, go for it, idc.
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2024-30-05
Well obviously I'm not suggesting they do that. I'm talking roads, Bridges, ports, power, fuel stations, etc.
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2024-30-05
100% same page
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2024-30-05
It's mirrored dumbass, you can't prove that it isn't.
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Polling in Israel suggests Likud is likely to lose about half their seats in the Knesset. The problem Gantz has is that Bibi's coalition has 65 members without him. He needs 5 Likudniks to come with him. I'm not sure there are 5 unless they've made deals to be on Gantz's party's list.
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2024-30-05
At least your dumbfuck country didn't re-elect him.
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2024-31-05
Hilarious considering the hostages are clearly and afterthought to this government.
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2024-31-05
Pardon me if I'm a "root cause" kinda guy on this. And to me, the root cause is Israelis have been taking more and more land for themselves, expelling more and more human beings who lived there for years, decades, centuries. Creating a Jewish State in the trans-Palestine area was never going to be an easy sell. We can't fully appreciate the difficulties that Jews have had to face for centuries. We also can't appreciate the feelings that Palestinians had about outlanders coming to their land and simply taking it over. And continuing to take it. Take. Not residing and accepting that this was Palestine, just taking as theirs. And responding with violence, themselves. I ask: how would you feel if some outlanders arrived at your house, ordered you out at gunpoint, levelled it, and built their own townships? I am not apologizing for Oct 7, or defending Hamas. I am simply pointing out that it is the Palestinians on the receiving end of the abuses TODAY.
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I think you're a bit high on copium. The damage they're already doing, and could further do without firing a shot, is staggering and something we're poorly prepared for. And not perceiving the second and third most missile-d up nuclear powers as a threat to NATO or the entire world...seems like you're 'wargaming' this out on a Risk board, not the real world, my dude.
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2024-30-05
Putin wants it to seem like it isn't because they wanted to take Ukraine. Then they wanted to take more, 1 at a time. Each time hoping the rest of the world would allow it. Like it has in the past. The end point is a war where the rest of the world has to stop countries that just want to take over/destroy other countries. It's not alarmist to say the rest of the world should be helping Ukraine in the same way the rest of the world is helping Russia. Iran, North Korea, and China. None of them are limiting the supplies they send to Russia from striking Ukraine.
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2024-30-05
It isn't brain-dead at all, it's common sense. Would you rather go into battle prepared against a weakened enemy, or wait until they're stronger and ready to fight on more level footing? The longer the west leaves Russia to cause trouble, gives them more time to rally countries to their cause (look at African nations turning to Russia and China) and it gives them more time to set themselves up into favourable positions once they know we are finally coming. Your logic is the brain-dead one.
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2024-30-05
Sorry, who do you think it would be starting ww3 if the rest of the world fully backed Ukraine?
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2024-30-05
Aren't these 1/3 russians that were installed in Ukraine by the USSR after WW2 and Holodomor?
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2024-30-05
"Never get involved in a land war in Asia"
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I am a Canadian, and I believe that we are a strong, proud people, with a strong military, given our size. I know that we would get absolutely steamrolled by the US military. I think my belief, before the conflict, was that the Russian military had some levels of parity with the US. It has become abundantly clear that that isn't the case
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They probably have no clue why the Ayatollah would be happy with the protests, absolutely no clue why this war was actually started, and completely unaware that HAMAS is an Iranian proxy. This war was started by HAMAS at the behest of Iran because Israel was on the edge of normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia and signing a [defense pact]( https://www.reuters.com/world/us-saudi-defence-pact-tied-israel-deal-palestinian-demands-put-aside-2023-09-29/). So their number 1 and number 2 enemy uniting against them. 10/7 happened a week later.
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yeah western troops in Ukraine was fairly common pre 2022.
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The start of the current world superpower? I’m sure it’s on a few people’s radar.
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2024-30-05
I think the primary function is just that it’s a big symbolic escalation. It’s a way of trying to signal willingness to take things further if needed.
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2024-30-05
Chinese, surely. Frenchmen would never shit in water fountains, for instance
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2024-30-05
“First you raise your arms above your heads, then yell j’abandonne!”
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2024-31-05
Austria caused both world wars.
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2024-31-05
Right? France has like a 92% win rate when it comes to war. They're *really* good at this shit.
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2024-31-05
Well ironically enough, out of all US allies you can easily argue relations are the worst with France; except it's not very public. I think two big points, for one France made a break with NATO in the 60s in regards to strategic command, and kicked out US forces and took over US military bases. Even back then, this was kept quiet. Following that, CIA's intelligence operations in France lead to France increasing the scope of its own intelligence operations, and especially targeting USA.
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2024-31-05
There's a reason several dozen countries speak French and it's not because people were like wow cool language bro.
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2024-31-05
sailors? France sent sailors and 7.000 front line troops
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2024-31-05
Not really France signed an armistice with parts of its army still intact in the south of France and its navy so France was cut in two and Vichy France was supposed to be neutral. Then at the end of 1942 France was invaded fully by Germany without opposition (though scuttling its navy)
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2024-31-05
ALLL ALONG THE WATCHTOWERRRR
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2024-30-05
Sure.
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That evidence is clearly biased, coming in the fog of war from accusations by the Israeli government. Just because someone says something is true, does not necessarily make it so, particularly when the claim comes from the country at war.
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2024-30-05
Gen z not millennials
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Ya. Those guys booby trapping UNRWA schools with bombs to protect their weapons storage are totally the brave and morally upstanding side. /s
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2024-30-05
While that's true, Israel is trying to eradicate a hostile group who wants to kill millions of Israelis and has shown that they won't stop trying to do so. The October 7th attacks, as awful as they were, was an evil stroke of genius on the part of hamas, as they put Israel in an impossible situation. They either go to all out war and take the beating in the PR department, or they show that they are "weak" and that promotes more attacks. Israel decided that they will take the bad press (even if some of it is unjustified) and take this opportunity to take out hamas for good. That's the thought process anyway. Hamas is just ad much to blame for much of the civilian deaths as Israel because they actively choose to put them at risk. I'm not saying that any of these people deserve to die, but there's just no way that civilians could remain unscathed in an urban war like this. Even with the most state of the art intelligence gathering, mistakes will happen in real time. I'm not at all saying that the IDF has nothing to explain about their actions, just that this was destined for civilian suffering from the jump and that hamas intended on exactly that
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2024-30-05
I don't get it either. Terrorist groups always used hostages or civilians as a shield. Both Israel and Palestine need better leaders in order for them to coexist. We don't need more far-right assholes and shitty religious fundamentalists trying to cling to power.
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2024-30-05
Yea, you told the guy "No." As if there was no possiblity of "plenty of advocates" just being anti-semetic at that point.
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2024-30-05
No country is going to make their soliders be at more risk than anyone else. Moral or not, that's a country's obligation, to their own first.
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2024-30-05
Hamas shouldve protected its people better instead of directly in harms way
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2024-30-05
True that. Alas, any time that a more left wing government starts gaining power in Israel, the Palestinians conduct more terror operations to get the right wingers back in power.
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2024-30-05
Because they don't see this as good vs evil. They see it (like many other protests they've engaged in,) as oppressor vs oppressed. It's easy to say Israel is bad and oppress Palestinians than for them to agree that Hamas is evil and must be wiped out.
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Pretty much every other news agency is uninterested in covering such things. It's not like there isn't a LONG history of Hamas storing weapons in schools. Look it up and you will find stories of the UNWRA and UN finding weapons in the schools in Gaza going back over a decade. https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/weapons-found-in-unrwa-school-for-third-time-in-a-week-369355 >Weapons were found in an UNRWA school in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, Israel Radio reported early Wednesday morning. **This is the third incident of its type to occur in the span of a two weeks**. Three stockpiles of weapons found in schools in Gaza in two weeks!
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2024-30-05
Well perhaps we should trust the word of Hamas then. Oh wait, they too freely admit to doing this.
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2024-30-05
Yeah, in spite of the fact that Arab Israelis can vote, a right they don’t have in many other Arab countries. Nor have in Palestinian Territories.
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2024-30-05
Why would both sides have to be happy after a war? Plus, the Arabs didn't even accept the 1947 borders, they said any partitioning of land would result in "rivers of blood". And true to their word, the Arab League went to war against Israel in 1948, stating "this will be a war of extermination, a momentous massacre".
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2024-30-05
They are in fact very useful... to Hamas.
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2024-30-05
That’s on Hamass
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Right i forgot they parked their tanks in front of the border cross, silly me
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How are they bad faith questions. If anything, you are the one not conversing honestly here. They are very simple and straightforward questions. If you are unable to answer, say that. Don't deflect and incorrectly label them as "bad faith" when in reality they are just tough questions for you because the answers don't align with your views. If you are unable to have an honest debate here, then what are we even doing? My mind is open to being changed if you answer my questions and present facts that seem reasonable. You not even attempting to answer makes it seem like your mind is completely closed and made up. Also, why should I answer yours if you are glossing over mine again?
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2024-30-05
Are soldiers of war lives worth more than innocents?
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The main reason why is because the people got their information from a 15 second TiK Tok that can not even begin to touch on the complexities of this conflict.
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To the nation those soldiers belong to? Yes
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2024-30-05
Stop calling them innocents. They’re - at a minimum - complicit, if not the direct reason for this war.
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2024-30-05
Whole nations are resuming aid to the UNRWA because there was an actual independent investigation into Israel's sweeping claims about the agency instead of just everyone taking the Netanyahu government's word for it.
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2024-30-05
What? Journalists have been blocked out and many have been killed.
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Who the hell do you expect them to even ask for approval from? The government of Gaza is a literal terrorist organization - the very one that *started* this war by raping and murdering its way across southern Israel, and the very one responsible for making things too dangerous to send soldiers into in the first place.
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> Would these civilians still be in such a bad situation if Hamas hasn't been hiding among them, necessitating the population to move in order to hit military targets? Doesn't matter you cant bomb civilians. >Would these civilians be in such a bad situation if Hamas didn't steal aid sent for the civilians? Doesn't matter from an altruistic sense we should protect the weak. >What do you call "careless," was it the most recent strike? Which for points listed above, doesn't seem like it is the IDF who should be at fault. If you disagree, please explain why. Trolley problem, no you cant kill 20 9 year olds to endlusnung hamas there happy
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No but they are not worth less either, assigning fixed values to the worth of human lives is an impossible task. I am not dumb enough to fall for that loaded question and you should be ashamed of asking it genuinely
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2024-30-05
Maybe you should try guilt tripping the people ok with blowing up hospitals.
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2024-30-05
They are just pissed their side is losing. If it was Israel getting bombed they would be cheering.
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The UN isn't exactly impartial either. They had a moment of silence for the butcher of Teheran...
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They’d be Al’Jazeering actually
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I'm more concerned with the people trying to use it as a military instillation and putting patients in the line of fire. You gonna need to do better than that to guilt trip me as a hospital worker into being okay with the patients that I help care for being used as human shields by genocidal militants to guard their activities.
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Honestly, I’d trade a dead soldier for a dead kid any day, regardless of whose side. The soldiers signed up, have been trained and equipped, and are supported with the resources of a nation state. The kids they’re bombing are just kids.
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The right time to accept the 1947 agreement was in 1947. The right time to accept the 1967 agreement was in 1967. You don’t get to reject a deal, attack, lose the war, then say “well okay we agree now”. A modern 2 state solution isn’t going to fit nicely with lines drawn 60 years ago that already got rejected. Israel WILL have to compromise on some land swaps and dismantle settlements, but in no reality are they going back to the 1947 borders.
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2024-31-05
Of course Israel supported Hamas, they were seen as the least extreme group of the two
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Kinda hard to spin a booby trapped medical clinic and weapons stored at UNRWA complex any worse than it already is…
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