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Nothing's permanent, it's only permanent until Hamas attacks again.
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2024-01-06
Most are in Turkey now.
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2024-01-06
The ? Means it is a question Isreal has been staunchly against pulling out and a permanent cease fire. If you heard something different i would love a source. Thanks
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2024-01-06
Let's try, anyhow. I'll settle for as many of it's practitioners as is possible
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2024-01-06
Isreal has always instantly rejected permanent ceasefire. Also any withdrawal.
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2024-01-06
Israel offered this to Biden, not the other way around. https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/g-s1-2320/biden-israel-hamas-ceasefire-proposal You guys just WANT to be mad. The Israeli government is not run by a single person. They are a democratic nation with different factions like we are, and not all of them are opposed to a ceasefire.
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2024-01-06
Thank you Thats what i thought
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2024-01-06
Bibi is nearing the end of his career, but he won't go quietly and he's apparently not afraid to tarnish his legacy even more to hold on for one more day.
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2024-01-06
If this was a society where Hamas didn’t control the schools and indoctrination of children and adults, I’d agree. Hamas either promotes the extremism by brainwashing their captive populace, or Israel *runs the risk* by way of civilian casualties.
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2024-01-06
And Turkey
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2024-01-06
Thankfully 10 years is a lot of time to do significantly deradicalizationnwork. Israel has the capability to do this right, but its going to take effort and lots of aid.
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2024-01-06
A buffer zone is key imo. Ideally like a half mile or more, though obviously in some areas that’s unrealistic. In an ideal world UN peacekeepers would man it, but the nature of Christianity and Islam containing most of the world‘s people makes it hard to find a country with no bias that would be willing. Saudi troops overseeing security within Gaza is the best bet probably 
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2024-01-06
Does it really matter? Hamas is holding hostages and people are quibbling over how Hamas refers to them in an agreement that would finally free those hostages after nearly 8 months?
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2024-01-06
> so I'm not following "giving up their leverage"... This means Israel's leverage. Israel's leverage is their occupation of Gaza. The hostages are leverage for Hamas. If Israel leaves all of Gaza and then the deal falls apart, then Israel has to restart their campaign at the border. It's easier if the IDF is already in between all of the populated areas in Gaza. That's the difference between "all of gaza" and the "populated areas of Gaza"
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2024-01-06
People on tiktok: "Hamas literally agreed with everything Israel asked for, omg Israel is the worst"
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2024-01-06
Common narrative, but not true. The examples of Japan and Germany are both relevant
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2024-01-06
Language always matters, yes. I’m pointing it out because it’s important to understand what’s being communicated by the chosen language. Hamas should immediately release all of the hostages they’ve taken, and it sickens me that Israel will have to release dangerous Palestinians imprisoned to achieve their freedom. Unfortunately, however, that is the reality we face with the current best proposal for peace.
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2024-01-06
I don’t think hamas gives a single fuck about ukraine or taiwan. The people egging them on might, but all the care about is killing israelis. If its trump, the idf will turn gaza to glass. They won’t stop.
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2024-01-06
lol. It’s been this way for nearly 100 years and it’s going to continue to be like this while people fight over who can terrorize the other the most. Before calling me an antisemite, I’ll happily say fuck Hamas and implore you to have a google over the statements by likud politicians. Not the whole point but a large point is to get the Palestinians out of Gaza “willingly”. They want to leave nothing left for Gazans to have any kind of life and flee. Just not in the direction of the settlers. It’s obviously not new.
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Jesus fucking christ. This is literally codifying an incentive for Hamas to take as many hostages as possible. Israel gets the "final remains" of hostages as part of the deal in **phase 3?** This is fucking absurd.
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2024-01-06
> to the total dismay+anguish of the hostage families. “According to Channel 12 news, during the meeting Hanegbi snapped at relatives who criticized Netanyahu, telling one that she had no place to “feel pain and hatred like this,” and mocking another relative when she moved to leave the room in anger.” Yeah the Likud fucks have officially earned my ambivalence.
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2024-01-06
Probably yeah, but I'm not speaking on my behalf here or what I think of it. Just on what might be going through a crazy old guys head.
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2024-01-06
Not as crazy as thinking this problem has a solution that comes from Israel. You haven't really understood the conflict... like him or not, Bibi knows more than you.
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2024-01-06
Cost in lives, mostly. Both Israeli and Palestinian. Letting Hamas reestablish supply lines for weapons would increase deaths in the event that the ceasefire breaks down.
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2024-01-06
Where did I have an opinion on the war!? Reading comprehension. I said bibi might be doing this as a way to mark his place in history. Not that what he's doing is right, wrong, or anything in between. Just a comment on what might be going through his head. At most I implied it might get solved. But that wasn't intentional. Jesus Christ.
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2024-01-06
And I'll repeat myself: There's no way he's delusional enough to think he's about to solve this.
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2024-01-06
Agree to disagree then.
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2024-01-06
But Israel's idea for a buffer zone is annexing half a mile inward of the Strip rather than setting it a half mile inside Israel. Can't see that being acceptable to Biden.
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2024-01-06
Yep, that could (maybe) be the only solution
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2024-01-06
Correct. But Hamas military might was never even near the same level as Russias.
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2024-01-06
> but Israel already made clear it will not stop until hamas is eradicated That's just an excuse for a forever war because as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars proved, you can't kill or wipe out an ideology and Hamas is in other countries. Bibi is just trying to stay and power and out of jail at this point.
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2024-01-06
I haven't seen any reporting that Israel has approved the terms and even this article mentions Israel is tiptoeing around it by not actually commenting on it.
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2024-01-06
I know, im just laying out as it is.
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2024-01-06
The US could not destroy the Taliban because they could hide in Pakistan indefinitely. The US couldn't attack Pakistan to get them because Pakistan is a nuclear armed state with over 200 million people. The US couldn't get Pakistan to get rid of them because Pakistan's ruling coalition relies on the votes of Islamic extremists that favored sheltering the Taliban, and putting more coercive pressure on Pakistan just risked driving them into a deeper alliance with China, which would have greatly strengthened China's hand elsewhere, a risk the US was unwilling to take. Israel faces no such problem with Hamas. Nobody, not one neighboring Arab state, wants to shelter Hamas militants. Qatar will shelter some of their billionaire spokesmen and grifters, but they don't want a few thousand militants and they don't border Israel anyway. Hamas is cornered and has nowhere to go and no hope but for international pressure on Israel to save them, so their only strategy is to maximize civilian casualties and suffering to that end.
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2024-01-06
*Religion has joined the chat*
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2024-01-06
I think he meant Palestinian lives too. If they withdraw, and then go in again, they'll do the same damage again. It's not magic.
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2024-01-06
lol Palestinian lives… that’s good joke. More civilians have died in the West Bank since the conflict than the entirety of IDF deaths in Gaza.
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2024-01-06
I honestly don't know why this is a controversial take at all. If you call for the refusal of any right to return, loudly demand humanitarian refugee programs integrate refugees and refuse to call them refugees after an arbitrary time limit and bomb those same people, you cannot seriously think they want them to stay.
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First of all, I think you meant "significant" when you said "credible." Those numbers are roughly 1 soldier a day. This would likely cause casualties for the IDF, albeit few. The much bigger problem, however, is the number of Palestinians who will die. More weapons means more weapon emplacement sites, which means more air strikes, which means more death.
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There is no force in human psychology more powerful than our instinct to adapt and get used to new circumstances. To normalize. To feel that what was bizarre and unthinkable last year is just normal and expected this year. In many ways this is a big problem as it allows people to get used to accept and some truly terrible things; like for example what Islamic Jihadism teaches Palestinian children about how their duty is to kill Jews and die as martyrs in order to get to paradise. On the other hand, this same instinct to adapt and get used to things is what would allow de-radicalization to work in reverse. All that is required is changing the environment, consistency, and time. You de-radicalize people the same way they were radicalized. You take away all the radicalizing influences in their lives; the radical clerics, the schools that teach nothing but hate, the media that promotes nothing but hate, and you replace it with universal human values; liberty, dignity, equality, stability, hope. Radicalizing people actually takes a lot of work, a lot of sustained effort. Staying radicalized when not in an environment that promotes it also takes a lot of work and dedication on one's own part. For the most part, people want to move on from hate and anger after a year or two if they aren't constantly reminded of it. Take away those that profit from constantly reminding people to be hateful and enraged, even suicidally so, and de-radicalization will happen.
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Let me rephrase for ya: NO CREDIBLE SIGNIFICANT loss of Israeli life. In a war that they have provoked via Apartheid policies. Let’s be clear, more Palestinians will not die from an Israeli withdrawal. In fact it’s the exact opposite. How you come to that conclusion in your head from some hypothetical I have no idea.
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WW2 was an angry attack by radicalised Germans.
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Population has nothing to do with that, I'm assuming you also include the diaspora as just the west bank and gaza has a smaller population than Israel currently, which, the diaspora wouldn't last long, there are around 6 million Palestinians in the diaspora, which includes the 2 million arab Israelis, almost 3 and a half million Jordanians who will not fight or do anything but protest the state of israel and eventually forget about the idea of being Palestinian, Syrians have bigger problems and will have bigger problems maybe forever and Lebanon would probably remain the biggest problem thanks to hezbollah and Iran, but the rest are small communities scrambles across the western world who will only use the Palestinian name to virtue signal and get social point Thing is, if Israel did to them what America did to the natives (without the disease, and i do not supportthat idea just saying) which is the ethnic cleansing and genoicde campaign, they will disappear the same way, as the locals would either be dead, gone, or have no hope of fighting back, and the diaspora wouldn't be able to do anything but shout, Lebanon might throw some rockets but besides that, nothing
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2024-01-06
He's telling you he wants to kill all the brown people.
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2024-01-06
That's the equivalent of giving you a picture of the color green to illustrate the color red.
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Destroy all smuggling avenues, destroy all weapons, kill the top 50-100 members of Hamas's organizational structure, temporarily move every single person in the territory away from the fighting and check them individually for carried weaponry and known affiliations. Bring in schoolteachers and some administrators from literally any country in Europe and the Americas (plus a few other places) and you have combat ending within months at most and deradicalization in 10-20 years. But this requires Hamas surrender like Germany and Japan did. Which requires continuing into Rafah.
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2024-01-06
Yes, but before that, great effort was done by the allies to utterly and visibly destroy Germany. In part because they realized that part of the cause of the war was failing to do so in WWI.
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2024-01-06
~~Islamic~~ Religious extremism should be wiped from the earth. Zero apologies or negotiations. 
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Are we really comparing Germany to Gaza though? A whole country of Germany continues to suppress and punish any signs of nazism to this day. The guilt is ingrained in Germans.
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It's not backwards. A lot of the destruction of Germany, from both sides, was mostly pointless in winning the war. Strategic bombing did not do all that much to reduce production capacity or to break civilian morale. Much of it was motivated by revenge rather than any tactical or strategic thinking. The pushback was also often justified, because they did not really think what would happen after the war. In the end, they did have to actually fight on the territory of Germany. Again, from both east and west. Look at it from the perspective of an average German in WW1. You don't see any fighting, because it's not happening in your country. You only get the news of the war from your government, who obviously kept saying how the war is going well and will be won any day now. To you, the war is a lot like the one in 1984, you can't even be sure it's happening for real. And then one day you hear that you just surrendered and have to pay massive reparations. It's no wonder that you start believing in some conspiracy, like the backstab theory. Then, look at WW2. Your country has been bombed daily, maybe you had to flee from your home city to the countryside, maybe you've seen the planes flying overhead, maybe you've even seen bombs falling. The mobilization was much greater so someone close to you was definitely drafted and possibly died. Then you actually saw enemy troops marching by. The war, and especially the defeat, is definitely real for you.
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Lies. Israel has put more effort into minimizing civilian casualties than you would ever care to acknowledge. They lost the moment October 7th happened, because they have always been in a no win situation. Once again, they are forced to bargain with a bunch of lying parasites (Hamas). When the next terrorist attack happens, Israel will be forced to choose between another futile war, or to roll over and let their people be raped, tortured, and murdered without consequence, which would have been the utilitarian response in the short term, but I'm not convinced it's the moral one.
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Until Hamas breaks it again.
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Do you program for Uber? Why would it be more efficient? It’s a way for the vendor to gouge people when the service is popular. “Everyone wants to take the train in the morning? Double the price. It doesn’t cost more to operate, but we have shareholders who demand never-ending growth.”
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It’s a product where the marginal cost is 0, unless the trains are genuinely full, this just moves surplus from the consumer to the operator. If the trains are truly stuffed and can’t take anyone else then there’s a theoretical argument it would improve the allocation of who gets a seat on the train, but that only really holds up in an Econ 101 world where interpersonal comparisons of utility are not only valid (actually not something we assume often in graduate level economics) they can be accurately identified by dollar amounts. Simple counter example: I desperately need to go see my sick relative but I only have 10 dollars. A businessman desperately wants to go fuck his side piece and he has 100 dollars. Econ 101 efficiency would say businessfuckboy getting the ticket is a better use of resources because he’s willing and able to pay more. A simple rationing mechanism like “first come first serve” would allow that first person to “outbid” the second by buying a ticket earlier. Source: PhD in Economics
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2024-01-06
This agreement is not likely to stick regardless. Hamas has rejected deal after deal, proving that they are willing to just buy their time as much as possible. Retracting or increasing aid has little effect on the ceasefire decision process because the vast majority of Palestinians have no say within Hamas. Not to mention, Hamas has been increasing this “alienation” by attacking or stealing aid. Many Palestinians are being forced into buying what is supposed to be free aid due to the actions of Hamas or other militant groups.
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2024-31-05
Haha, and then Hamas surrenders or something?
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2024-31-05
What are you talking about immigration was much better when the wall was being built, and so was our relationship with Mexico. Wake up
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2024-31-05
It’s amazing how well that whole diplomacy thing works… you know, that policy stuff politicians do when they are actually trying to solve problems for their country instead of owning it.
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2024-31-05
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. The irony of telling people to wake up when you don't have a real opinion outside of a fox news talking point. The migration picked up under Biden because the opportunities in the US for work picked up significantly post covid and post Trump, not because a useless fence was being built. [https://www.cato.org/blog/us-labor-market-explains-most-increase-illegal-immigration](https://www.cato.org/blog/us-labor-market-explains-most-increase-illegal-immigration) It's literally night and day. Double the economic opportunity in Biden's economy vs Trumps.
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2024-31-05
Didn’t he claim he needed Congress to pass the Border Bill for this to happen?
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2024-01-06
Remain in Mexico was working. Biden killed it.
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2024-01-06
Eh, just fly them in instead 
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not following closely but if the current government is kicked out can the new one get rid of this transparency russian law?
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2024-01-06
Sounds like the Georgian Nightmare Party
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2024-01-06
Don't call us when you suddenly have a tyrant trying to overtake your country. As Mike Johnson so eloquently said, "it'll cost ya". "We don't help people for free".
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2024-01-06
Look at Jack White over here
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2024-01-06
How likely are the opposition going to win? I was told that they were not organised enough to dethrone the ruling Georgian Dream
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2024-01-06
For a country who got invaded by Russia in the past the government sure is traitorous.
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2024-01-06
Expression on his face looking like a hobo at a men’s shelter being handed a tuna roll because the other guy got the last chicken sandwich.
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2024-01-06
I’d call for a review of that haircut mate!
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2024-01-06
I never saw that concert. Is 30 Years and A Heroin Addiction any good?
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2024-01-06
I hope they do. Maybe every state from Florida to TX can succeed and become North Mexico.
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I think you misspelled *Uneducated
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2024-01-06
That sounds like setting the expectation of ceding territory to join NATO
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2024-01-06
At least, not funny.
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2024-01-06
That's preferable to not joining NATO and getting re-invaded anyways again and again.
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2024-01-06
I really do fear for the Baltic States, we should be forward deploying at least a brigade size force in each of three countries. We need to show our unwavering support for these countries and the willingness to spill blood for them, and that's what makes us so much better Russia!
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2024-01-06
Maybe that's the pretext Russia will use to invade. Because they're such stalwarts for IP rights. Lol
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2024-01-06
He'll also be dead before that can happen, which he probably knows also.
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2024-01-06
Not bad. 👏🏼
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2024-01-06
*territorial disputes*
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2024-01-06
Ahahahahaha  Oh, you're serious...  AHAHAHAHAHAHA
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2024-01-06
Territorial disputes. Lmao.
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2024-01-06
Just a little tiff they’re having
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2024-01-06
Ukraine won’t fall.
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2024-01-06
They all will be
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2024-01-06
Russia is stupid enough to attack again after a deal. So we let them be stupid. Sign the deal, get Ukraine into NATO, wait for the blyat, crush them and let Ukraine kick them out. Would that work?
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2024-01-06
I simply don't agree with that. There is no basis to take over Poland or any other country based on what I've written here. Ukraine and Russia have more or less been one country for nearly one thousand years with alterations happening due to invading forces (Mongols and Polish). Poland and other countries have not really had this sort of political/economic/cultural bond as Ukraine/Russia/Belarus have had comparatively speaking.
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2024-01-06
My rights are under constant attack by those fucking Republican scum bags. The last thing I care about right now is our economy.  I'd rather live free in a poor country than live enslaved in a rich one. The economy can crash and burn for all I care. Bigger fish to fry.
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2024-01-06
This is a very interesting take that I honestly wasn’t expecting from any Ukrainian. Wow.
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The Baltic will be defended by all the European quick reaction forces and the newly deployed German tank unit there Did you see what they have as qrf it's insane also the Polish military is there close by too I think this would be enough tbh
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2024-01-06
Make it seem to who though? The guys back in Russia might think that as they are told what to think by the local TV channels that get their orders from Putin.
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Referring back to your points. 1. Losing Poland was definitely detrimental to the USSR. 2. The US also gives aid to Poland. 3. Poland was a significant loss to the USSR. 4. Russia taking Ukraine means Poland is now next to Russia. So the same NATO argument applies. 5. Poland has historical and cultural ties to Russia. 6. This still applies, but less so. So, from your own argument, Russia can see Poland in the same light it sees Ukraine. The flimsy justifications can be applied to Ukraine and Poland, and elsewhere after that. If this reasoning doesn’t convince you, it may be that you’re choosing not to see it.
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In america we call those people Republicans.  But really, it's just what it's called. I'm not gonna mince words because you don't like what's happening. Yeah the world is full of evil shit but it is what it is.
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That redditor spelled Donbas in the russian way...
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Right but you are also missing one really key factor here. Poland is a part of NATO. Russia would never touch NATO territories with a hundred foot pole.
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