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>But israel has offered many times to compromise and each one was rejected because of my comment.
This is not true. They came to the table at Oslo and Rabin was shot for it. The Israeli leader was shot because of the outline of the agreement he made. Since then the Israelis have no interest in a two state solution. They occupy some 80% of the West Bank and will occupy 100% of Gaza now. They do not recognize the Palestinian right to exist. They continue to expand settlements. The instituted a basic law which required called for the state to protect and expand settlements. The government of the Knesset includes rabid anti-arabs like Ben Gavir within its ministries. They call for sanction and throw a political equivilent to a hissy fit when Spain and Ireland recognized the state of a Palestine as an entity. How is this the party of the supposed two state solution? No. Netanyahu and his government have no interest in a two state solution. They will not recognize an independent Palestine because there is no need for them to, it gains them nothing and closes avenues to a greater Israel, which is their stated goal.
There has been no proposal by the Israelis which would have solved the conflict
>Some did give it up voluntarily, they sold it or were told to leave to avoid war. Now I won’t say there wasn’t displacement, there was, and it’s sad. But
Being sold at gun point isn't a free transaction. The nakba occured and the Israel is built off of it. Also something something, everything is meaningless before the but something something.
>Israel in their mind
Whose mind? Fatah the people who came to the table at Oslo and Camp David Summit? The people that recognized the right for Israel to exist but disputed borders?
>It’s why there’s still war raging 80 years later.
A war is raging 80 years later is because the Israelis supported Hamas' creation in the 70s and 80s to undermine the PA. Because an Israeli settler murdered Rabin. And because the Israeli government has cut off any avenue of a two state solution.
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"I'm vaguely aware"
Then stfu and stop pretending like you have any idea what you're saying. Simple
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It wasn't theirs, in terms of sovereign "ownership". They were effectively part of the Ottoman Empire and then the British Empire (as part of the mandate).
The Palestinians were never granted independence by the Ottomans nor the British, until the partition. They decided to risk it all by declaring war, and lost.
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2024-04-06
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Maybe consider it like MAGA
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2024-04-06
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Exactly!
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2024-04-06
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1. I agree? The war on terror was decided instantly, by a government that then gave overwhelming approval to the expansion of that war on terror... it did fuck all but yeah. We didn't need to protest.
2. I was critiquing your use of "protest" to include the use of violence within a foreign country to kill terrorist leaders.
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They know it's probably not going to, but smart people typically don't like supporting a country who deliberately ethnically cleanses another group of people and has zero intentions of ever allowing them to live freely (not just Gaza, all the fucked up shit Israel does in the West Bank too).
It'd be one thing if it were just that though, we're supplying Israel with the means to terrorize Gazans. That's why the protests have become so widespread.
You can't cry about Ukrainians being ethnically cleansed by Russia, and then say Palestinians don't deserve similar/same sentiments.
You force your educational institution to divest from Israel, you increasingly take away Israel's ability to feed us propoganda about how they don't shoot kids in the head in the West Bank. How they don't terrorize and bully them simply for existing. How they don't steal homes through "settling" new arrivals in them. How they don't burn Palestinian tree farms.
Israel can keep killing innocent people, but we as Americans should not be funding it or acting like it's not happening, while simultaneously providing aid to those same people it's "not happening to".
I'm tired of people like you thinking college kids are stupid, when they are LITERALLY the smartest people in our society.
There's a reason advancements in society are spearheaded by masses of intellectuals. And I also doubt the governments of Spain, Ireland, or Norway who recently recognized Palestine as a state don't grasp what's going on, but all of the United States' closest allies who don't recognize Palestine are ironically the only ones that DO grasp it.
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Dont bother. The prick doesnt give a fuck about nuance. He just wants to pound the podium like every other jackass.
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Terrorism, rape, and murder is fine with lefties, but they won’t be able to stand for this environmental damage!
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They already do.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-strikes-have-made-south-lebanon-devastated-agricultural-area-pm-says-2024-04-05/
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/longform/2024/3/25/israels-toxic-legacy-bombing-southern-lebanon-with-white-phosphorus
https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1415339/war-and-white-phosphorus-ignite-wildfire-risk-in-south-lebanon.html#:~:text=Lebanon's%20National%20Early%20Warning%20System,fires%20resulting%20from%20Israeli%20attacks.
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2024-04-06
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Hey, that's the benefit of the internet; four years ago, these guys were experts on COVID.
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2024-04-06
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Damn, I can't believe Britain created every Palestinian.
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2024-04-06
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The same Europe that has many major issues with institutionalized racism? The protests that were primarily in Germany, one of America’s closest allies in Europe? Also these protests were held in front of US embassies, adding diplomatic pressure.
Try to read past the headlines and understand why things are happening.
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Sinn Fein is an example of why that’s not a hard and fast rule. Tiocfaidh ár lá
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2024-04-06
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Lol of course
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2024-04-06
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Because you're wrong?
They're a part of the government in the same way that the January 6th rioters in America are: They're extremists who want to run the government but currently only hold a minority, and independently of their presence in government are conducting military operations. If they get enough public backing to take over the government, they will do so and then the government _will_ be doing what Hezbollah wants.
Until that point, it's better to think of them of a terrorist organization with a government outreach project in addition to the usual "blowing stuff up" projects.
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2024-04-06
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if Palestinian’s lived there they would have 10x as much artillery as they did in Gaza. the north border for them would literally be a weapons plant.
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It’s because they want their homeland back or at least control of their homeland. Israel has effectively total control of Gaza, West Bank, and each individual Palestinian without representation.
If at anytime Canada could just invade homes and churches in America to make arrests people would lose their minds.
I hate Hamas and Hezbollah, but Israel is not without faults.
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2024-04-06
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No idiotic AI instagram post on this one.
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2024-04-06
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Plausible deniability is the name of the game.
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Contrary to the rest of the Middle East Lebanon drew our own borders, and created greater Lebanon (and fucked ourselves in the process). Also we don’t want the Palestinians, and will never give them citizenship especially after everything they have done.
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Both. But the scale and targets are very different.
Israel has done 15x as much damage as happened on 9/11 to the twin towers in terms of bodies and buildings.
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2024-04-06
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I think Ireland might disagree
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2024-04-06
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Israel has been burning down farms, trees, entire towns in Gaza. I don’t want to hear shit. The fact anyone on here is still trying to defend Israel’s actions just shows how out of touch they are
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2024-04-06
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What’s it polluted with and why?
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2024-04-06
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Why is it that half of Lebanon dying in a war and still not ousting Hezbollah sounds good to you?
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2024-04-06
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The major river the litani is incredibly polluted and people litter everywhere, why because Lebanon is a failed state without a government that gives a shit and the south is under control of Hezbollah an Iranian religious militia.
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No, enough tragedy and death.
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I'm not coming out to bat for Hezbollah but isn't the whole point of the protest (agree with them or not) that people don't want their governments backing Israel? Hezbollah is a terrorist organization and not supported by most of any western governments.
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Evidence? I’m not saying there aren’t bots here, but I doubt it’s “mostly bots”.
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If you want a reasonable answer, it likely has something to do with the fact that the U.S. and Europe are not economically, culturally and militarily intertwined with Lebanon (or Syria, or any of the other countries that people like to make this argument in reference to) in the same way that we are with Israel; by comparison we have no influence on and responsibility for the violence they commit.
We put pressure on our leaders to put pressure on our allies to act ethically. We have a lot more influence in Israel than Lebanon, Syria, China etc.
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>Hezbollah's rockets burn a substantial amount of land in the Golan Heights, forcing firefighters to work hours on the resultant fires;
Sorry I'm not very familiar with the geography there, just going on what Ynet reported
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Assuming the people who claim Israel wants the land are right: why would they poison their own future water tables?
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2024-04-06
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Wait are you saying you would be cool is israel does it to palestine, but not cool if the other way?
Not sure I'm clear what you're saying here.
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Yeah but, no more go boom
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2024-04-06
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Where are the climate activists. This is climate terrorism.
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And Israelis have burned Palestinian land as well
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27E1Y5/
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They basically show up to watch all the horrific war crimes going on. Then deny participating in some of said war crimes, usually unsuccessfully.
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They can have BOOTS ON THE GROUND within 24 hours along with combat vehicles, logistics support, temporary bases, and a Burger King and a Subway.
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If I recall correctly, there are at least 60 thousand Israelis evacuated from the Lebanon border.
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they are considered as a terrorist organization by many. What bigger condemnation is there out there for this kind of thing? You guys on both sides of this debate apparently live in a bubble.
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The provisional IRA has a direct lineage to the old IRA.
Old IRA fought the British, became the Irish Free State. Many of the Old IRA didn't want to abandon seven counties to British rule (especially when many of them were from there), so there was a civil war followed by guerilla war between the Irish Free State ( backed by the Brits ) and the IRA.
In 1969 the same organization split into the Official IRA and the Provisional IRA (provos) over whether their political wings should continue abstaining from standing in British / Northern Ireland parliament.
The provos quickly became the biggest of the two and their campaigns in the north had fairly broad support and are directly responsible for the Good Friday agreement. Sinn Fein was (unofficially) the political wing of the provisional IRA.
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Agree with this or not... The idea that all protests or stances are invalid unless those same people protest against **everything** is Reddit's trademarked most upvoted basic take. You can copy paste this in to every political thread here and reap your upvotes.
The real fad is going onto reddit treating this conflict like there's an ideological good guy.. literally anywhere to be found in the region.
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Jadotville.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jadotville
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Is it a country or not?
If Texas invaded Mexico the US government doesn't get to throw its hands up and say "States will be states, what do we have to do with it?"
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Of course he blocked you, you called him out on his bs.
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2024-04-06
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You are reversing cause and effect.
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2024-04-06
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How much us tax dollars go to military aid for them?
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2024-04-06
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my government doesn't send weapons to Hezbollah
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>requires more risk on the part of indivodual soldiers
So why the fuck would you bother? You'd sacrafice your own to protect a nation that despises you? No, you wouldn't. Israel does not have the strategic depth and amount of troops like USA and can't allow themselves use soldiers in every booby-trapped building there is.
It's war, which again, reminder, wouldn't have happened if Hamas didn't massacare civillians in October 7th, and palestinians worldwide didn't chear for it including gaza.
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>Maybe people protest Israel because they're being directly supported by the West in their destruction
You make it much deeper than it is. People protest Israel because they have an idiotic view of the world in which you are either oppressor or oppressed. These people don't see the complexity. If they do not want the destruction of Gaza (as I would not want it) they also have to find an alternative solution. Because no people should be forced to live near an avowedly genocidal regime that fires thousands of rockets every year on civilians and enters within the borders of a sovereign state to rape, torture, slaughter and kidnap 1400 innocent people in a few hours.
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Idiot
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2024-04-06
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Nice counter buffoon
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2024-04-06
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All you deserve
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Comments like this are just so goddamn stupid. Why would anyone protest the actions of a group their protest could never possibly affect? It would be a complete waste of time
Protests are strategic actions with concrete goals.
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No, it is All that is expected of a rotten brained touch with no clue about the conflict or anything you talk about really such as yourself, blame the people who have been attacked and are attacked every day for responding by attacking military encampments of a terror group that literally runs summer camps where they train 12 year olds to kill, not the poor innocent terror group
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2024-04-06
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Moron.
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2024-04-06
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There’s a pretty strict rule here against personal attacks, and I think the course of this conversation demonstrates why
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2024-04-06
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Nice one jackass, you gor more insults, you proved your lack of knowledge in regards to this conflict, and you being a soulless victim blaming dick
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2024-04-06
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Keep spouting the same dumb talking points.
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2024-04-06
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Got*
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>food shortages
[56% of its caloric supply relies on imports](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10814053/) so it's already used to importing most of its food; 92% of grain is imported. The food shortages are for specific categories like dairy, but these shortages started before the war and will likely continue after the war unless the government allows more imports.
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2024-04-06
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Do you have an example of the US successfully combatting a terrorist organisation like this?
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2024-04-06
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It got far worse in Qiryat Shemona. In kazrin, the fire was mostly off on Sunday, and it didn't get the homes. Kazrin is part of the proper Golan Heights, but I guess the media calls for places like Kiryat Shemona, part of the Golan Heights, even tho it was formed in 1949.
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2024-04-06
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See people, now THAT is a scorched earth policy.
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That's ok. The majority of the fire was in Kiryat Shemona, which was formed in 1949 and recognised as proper Israel by most of the world.
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Ireland is politically neutral in that they do not take part in active combat and are not part of Nato. Their troops are exclusively used for peace keeping mission.
Ireland’s defensive budget is similar to other countries of a similar size. If Ireland was to be invaded it would be from the east and therefore mean one of two things:
1. It’s being invaded by the UK, in which case Ireland will never be able to afford a comparable military force.
2. It’s being invaded by an aggressor who has already conquered the UK, and most likely France, and potentially Germany. In which case there would be absolutely no chance of Ireland being able to put up a fight.
An invasion from the west is highly unlikely as the invading force would have to sail through territorial waters of several other countries before reaching Ireland.
Secondly, what exactly do you mean about refusing to pay for their own defense? I assume you mean that they don’t have an active airforce?
This is not unusual for a country of less than 6 million inhabitants. They also do not _rely_ on the UK airforce but rather _allow_ the UK airforce to patrol and act in their territory.
Bear in mind that Ireland has had _no_ military engagements in the hundred years since the country was formed: No invasions or territorial disputes. The last military conflict was with the UK, on which you claim Ireland now relies
for defence.
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It used to be that neighbours had a free hand to deal with failed states. If the Lebanon cannot maintain the monopoly on force over their territory there should be no complaints when somebody else does it for them.
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>What do you think protests are for? You
Apparently terrorising and attacking Jewish people according to you.
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2024-04-06
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We can only hope
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Who is this "they" you're referring to? College students today weren't even alive during the Gulf War.
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No you're comment is just so goddamn stupid. People also protest climate change. But climate change isn't a group that can change it's behavior. Obvious people want the government and other people to take the threat of climate change more serious and take action against it. The same could be said about protesting against racism or police brutality.
It is perfectly reasonable to protest for taking the threat of Hezbollah more serious as well as supporting more decisive actions by Israel to counter the threat.
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Also, Israel and Lebanon have been in a state of (low-ish grade) war for decades now. There's been military activity happening in both directions all the time.
And Hezbollah isn't exactly buddy buddy with anyone except Russia, Syria and Iran.
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Lol, literally fanning the flames of war, just as the notion of cessation of hostilities appears
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Literal scorched earth policy.
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2024-04-06
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Tell that to Nelson Mandela
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Tit for tat after some comonist assholes lit on fire some lands on the west bank.
No one is going to win there.
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2024-04-06
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The US doesn't fund Hizbollah
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2024-04-06
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Wouldn't it be true to say that since Shia and Sunni are the majority, then their majority vote is basically the most popular party? Don't Shia, certainly, but also many Sunni support Hezbullah?
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2024-04-06
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I’m Lebanese and I have no problem with this outcome
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Jesus christ that is the most complex system I have heard of. All to balance out the various groups, right, after the civil war?
Is there any chance we see a North West Lebanon and South East Lebanon split, into two states? Or a confederacy?
I mean Hezbullah is the military of South East Lebanon de facto :)
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The Golan Heights was seized from Syria, not Lebanon, following the Six Day War in the 1960s. And Hezbollah wasn't formed until the 1980s.
And there absolutely is a self defense claim to Crimea and parts of Ukraine for Russia. I suggest you study the history and geography of the area. That still does not grant them the right to annex the territory.
Nor does Israel's claims of self defense grant them rights to annex their neighboring territories. By that argument, they can and should annex the entirety of the West Bank and Gaza and expel all residents -- something I, frankly, believe the current Israeli regime intends to do as much as possible (see their settlements across the West Bank, their uprooting of residents, and their complete destruction of Gaza).
Let me be perfectly clear, I am not defending anyone in this conflict. In my eyes, everyone in current positions of power are in the wrong for various reasons. And none of them are willing to do what is necessary for lasting peace.
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Do you have sources or reading for that second paragraph? Would be really interesting to read about in depth
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it is, you think reading one sentence disproves other sentences?
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Wouldn’t that take a decent amount of time to do…?
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I'm not shocked and, likewise without moral judgment either way, I expect it to pick up a lot of steam with these latest attacks on farmland. We could seriously see endorsement of theft of aid go from extremists to large voting blocs like this, at which point I would expect the arrests to stop and the rate of thefts to jump an order of magnitude or two.
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Just had 14k acres burn about an hour away from me by accident. Sounds like Hezbollah sux at arson…
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..peace in the middle east then is it?
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No one is begging Hamas for anything. This is a hilarious overreaction.
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This take is so wildly divorced from reality. Hamas are hiding in tunnels right now. That’s leverage.
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Several leaders are in the comfort of Qatar, and these so-called 'rat holes' are actually pretty spacious.
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the irony is palpable
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Was pretty sure about this lol
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And the North *already withdrew* from the deal the South is (entirely symbolically) "nullifying".
Sunshine Policy was always a crock. The Kims have no long-term incentive to get along with the South. They just pretend for a little while if the bribes are big enough.
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Welp, this may very well be the first nuclear war started over literal shitposting.
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N Koreas starting to doubt their Kremlin/Beijing orders to stoke conflict so Trump can ‘save the day’ like a true maga Homelander. The data shows convicted felon ex presidents lose credibility as peacemakers.
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