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Yep that's why I'm getting my first Apple PC. Microsoft seems to not care about privacy at all.
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2024-10-06
You do realize every file has a "modified" date that you can easily see in Windows Explorer or a simple right click? And it has been so for decades. I don't need invasive AI to tell me when is readily viewable as I open a folder or file... Web browsers also come with features that save your open tabs in case you want to resume work later. Again, no need for invasive AI to do that...
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2024-10-06
Why not Apple?
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2024-10-06
All for the sake of tailoring ads to shove down our throats and pushing that shareholder number up
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2024-10-06
It shouldnt exist at all. There is no rational justification
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2024-10-06
Can it be removed from the OS?
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2024-10-06
Apple. The company that tried to make it illegal to repair ther devices? Thinking that Apple doesn't already sell your data is naiive.
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2024-10-06
Price, for starters. Not to mention the locked hardware ecosystem.
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2024-10-06
Then don't enable it, no one is forcing you to? In fact go one step further don't by a PC with NPU (Copilot PCs) so that you can never enable it. Why does it hurt you so much that some people may find this feature useful.
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2024-10-06
Fair enough. But it doesn’t take much imagination to understand that this feature may roll out initially with ARM chip pcs, but will then graduate to the other 99% of pcs running x86 chips.
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2024-10-06
OK. Then make it a separate download. Don't put spyware on people's computers and expect them to shut up about it just because it's off by default. Any sane and reasonable person would want the spyware software to not be there at all.
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2024-10-06
Everyone just buys data at this point for the sake of having data. Bluntly I think we're getting to the point of data exhaustion. You've extrapolated so much for targeting individuals for advertising or other reasons that we're reaching an apex where now it's just an existing cost they won't move on from even though the returns for it are lesser and lesser in value. Add to this that people are slowly starting to cut back in some areas of social media and younger generations are less likely to get on FB, Instagram, Twitter, etc. The data is morphing from useful to useless or straight up infected in the case of bot filled Twitter. Data selling is an addiction that will slowly yield less and less value.
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2024-10-06
Everyone just buys data at this point for the sake of having data. Bluntly I think we're getting to the point of data exhaustion. You've extrapolated so much for targeting individuals for advertising or other reasons that we're reaching an apex where now it's just an existing cost they won't move on from even though the returns for it are lesser and lesser in value. Add to this that people are slowly starting to cut back in some areas of social media and younger generations are less likely to get on FB, Instagram, Twitter, etc. The data is morphing from useful to useless or straight up infected in the case of bot filled Twitter. Data selling is an addiction that will slowly yield less and less value.
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2024-10-06
Everyone just buys data at this point for the sake of having data. Bluntly I think we're getting to the point of data exhaustion. You've extrapolated so much for targeting individuals for advertising or other reasons that we're reaching an apex where now it's just an existing cost they won't move on from even though the returns for it are lesser and lesser in value. Add to this that people are slowly starting to cut back in some areas of social media and younger generations are less likely to get on FB, Instagram, Twitter, etc. The data is morphing from useful to useless or straight up infected in the case of bot filled Twitter. Data selling is an addiction that will slowly yield less and less value.
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2024-10-06
A hacker able to access a database stored locally, can also install a keylogger on your computer or take screenshots. So having your passwords secured in an encrypted file doesn't actually protect you if your computer is breached.
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2024-10-06
There are already umpteen different options of software to snoop on employees. So it’s hard to imagine this approach offers such a better reward compared to the risk.
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2024-10-06
An Opt-in that I'm sure they'll make incredibly annoying and constant with no way to stop them. Like most other "features" they cram down your throat.
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2024-10-06
A keylogger that gets flagged by Windows Defender and shuts down your whole operation, versus one that's included with Windows by default and people are told to shut up about it because it's off by default.
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2024-10-06
In addition to the downsides already mentioned, you would have to buy a new computer
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2024-10-06
I’m sorry but any “news” outlet that uses “tho” instead of “though” simply cannot be taken seriously.
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2024-10-06
It doesn't, I can't imagine any company enabling this as it's a nightmare for compliance. I've worked at places that disable the ability to take screenshots for PCI compliance, having this on would be a million times worse. When it comes to the software that's actually designed to spy on employees, is strictly generally strictly controlled and policies are in place for compliance. Most likely this was never going to be on by default in the enterprise sku, maybe not even available, but if it was, it would be trivial to disable.
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2024-10-06
I will say you already installed the spyware years ago when you used a Windows desktop.
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2024-10-06
ITT Microsoft fanboys try to whitewash their dubious rollouts and obvious fuckups.
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2024-10-06
Look into [windows 11 Lite](https://github.com/GamerROMInc/Windows-11-Lite) It takes the official Windows 11 ISO and edits the wim from allowing it to install bloat and frees up a lot of resources over the base version of Win11. My fav part is it bypasses MS account set up and goes directly to local account creation from the start. I don't know how long it will last in that state as Windows updates like to reach into your shit and flip switches without you knowing. Someone will always be around to strip down Windows. Just need to wait for it(the win lite tool) to update when recall comes.
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2024-10-06
Yeah, this isn't something that would worry me at all. If you're compromised it's too late to worry about this feature.
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2024-10-06
someday, executives who are pouring millions into AI will realize, "hey ... this is just a well-crafted Google search ..."
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2024-10-06
because they know the average user wont die on this hill.
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2024-10-06
Holding on to win 10 for a while I guess. Security updates aren't worth a damn of the os itself steals your data.
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2024-10-06
I’ve never had this happen and I have an iPhone and an Apple home. I don’t see ads from third party products anywhere in my Apple products. Apple doesn’t get almost any money from ad revenue. What reason would they have to sell info, to whom?
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2024-10-06
I think they meant to write “Remind me tomorrow”
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2024-10-06
It was usable?
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2024-10-06
Agreed. If one reads the article it’s not as bad. And with Apple stuff if you opt out, you’re out. They may not be the bastion of privacy they claim to be, but there are 100% better than Microsoft and Google about privacy.
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2024-10-06
And logins to bypass.
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2024-10-06
Why are you doing this? There is nothing in the article that says apple is introducing anything remotely similar to this. I get the blind apple hate but I still find myself disappointed by this sub.
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2024-10-06
Google’s search has gotten so bad that Bing was a better alternative for a while.
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2024-10-06
Recall already uses an AI model that describes the screenshot using text I believe. So it would say something like "the user has a Chrome window opened with twenty tabs". Then the description is saved alongside the image and can then be indexed and searched.
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2024-10-06
Do you have a job and family? Not a lot of people have time on their hand to do all that and always have an alternative ready.
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2024-10-06
This will be the way they offer AI services in future that replaces workers in enterprises and report to middlemanagers about workers not doing their jobs. "Copilot isn't just part of your business, it is your Business" It'll be along those lines mark my words.
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2024-10-06
MS has a history of eventually forcing users' hands on previously optional shit.
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2024-10-06
Or "Actually the opt-out never worked due to a bug, sorry about that!"
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2024-10-06
Please just switch to Linux.  From Mint to Arch you can find one that fits your skill level and avoid this crap
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2024-10-06
So opt in for now while everyone is aware of it, and suddenly it will switch to auto on in a future update like every other Windows setting.
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2024-10-06
All of this AI shit is just fucking stupid. No LLM AI out there understands anything. It doesn't know any facts. All it can do is munge words together. It always sounds good, but the content ranges from reasonable to abject bullshit. You can't trust any content from AI so then wtf is it good for? The amount of actual problems that LLM solves is like 1% of the problems that the idiot csuiters think it solves.
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2024-10-06
[Look at this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s74cta1cpRY&t=254s). The GUI works just like Windows 7. You can go to the software manager to install Steam, enable Proton, and 97% of the top 1000 games work without having to tweak or customize anything. It's literally a "plug and play" experience. The only time you'll run into driver issues is with bleeding edge hardware. To that, I'll only say that if you are competent enough to select matching hardware, correctly assemble the parts into a working machine, tweak the BIOS, and install your own operating system, then you're also competent enough to google a solution to your driver problems.
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2024-10-06
A keylogger would be foreign software that'd be much easier to detect than software that's built into the OS.
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2024-10-06
The truth of this statement depends on your perspective. If you program, then the fact that MacOS is based off of BSD and it is in the Unix family of operating system, then your point holds. However, if you're a CPA and you do all your work in Excel, Quickbooks, and Word then the fact that you can't install fully featured versions of these programs on Linux (without complicated workarounds) is a huge difference. Yes, I know web apps for these programs exist, but they're not fully featured.
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2024-10-06
The idea behind recall is exactly what the AI of today may actually be good for. Assisting in data retrival from small, trusted and relevent datasets. It's is objectivly a good idea and everyone with an AI play is working on the idea. Something like NotebookLM for all the work you use your computer for. It's a no-brainer. Microsoft predictably fumbled the delivery. It should be presented as cutting-edge and experemental and you should have to go out of your way to get it. Sohving it into the general Windows experience at this stage is asinine.
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2024-10-06
A company which cannot make a basic desktop search work properly keeps insisting on doing stuff that is AI. Numerous issues with basic OS functionality but they are pushing for Copilot and Recall. Crazy.
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2024-10-06
I like Brave’s AI. It seems to be decent.
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2024-10-06
They worst thing is that all of the bloatware is per-account and we can have over 100 accounts on a lab PC. And some will reinstall after an upgrade. It's like a virus....
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2024-10-06
Im fed up with AI
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2024-10-06
BoA sending me emails about car loan rates lower than the current one I had with them. I went in to a branch to talk about it and was told to phone them LMAO. The guy on the phone said, it’d be if I bought a new car and I said, do you think this tactic is going to work for me to finance a new vehicle with you if you’re not helpful to me as a current customer?
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2024-10-06
The other day on instagram I wanted to search a profile and instead it brought up a AI response on what I typed means. Like it actually made the only function of instagram search shittier.
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2024-10-06
Personally, I like the idea of Recall. The data is already there and used by AdSense or any other corporate/government mining ...let me see my data/surfing habits, like when Spotify shows my my favorite song playlist from years ago.
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2024-10-06
Honestly I’m a small business admin for azure and honestly if they had google shit they wouldn’t even need me that’s how ridiculous the whole Microsoft ecosystem is. It really is dependent on enterprise customers that can’t for whatever leave to google. If I could leave I’d move us tomorrow tho.
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2024-10-06
Bing's engine is still pretty good, being one of the [main sources](https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/) of DuckDuckGo, the best free search engine available currently. But where DDG further refines results to remove [bad actors](https://www.technologyreview.com/2010/07/26/26327/the-search-engine-backlash-against-content-mills/), Bing tacks on annoying BS.
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2024-10-06
And that's with LLM trained on the entirety of human produced language on the entire fucking internet. Just wait until the AI produce ls nonsense start taking up space on the internet and then future LLMs start training on THAT. It is going to be the mother of all garbage in garbage out processes.
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2024-10-06
Of course they are going to push ahead with it. Who thought they weren't? I'm genuinely surprised that anyone thought otherwise.
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2024-10-06
Im getting there after their ads on Hulu where they force me to pick my own ad
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2024-10-06
r/iamverysmart
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2024-10-06
rant I know I'm not the only one who is fully sick of ads. They're freaking everywhere and many I've seen are improper (and bordering on obscene) on some websites. I used to allow it all to support people, but now I just block everything I can now because I'm fed up. Even the little ones are flashy blinking and the older you get the less your eyes are able to tolerate that. /rant
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2024-10-06
Well, currently, on new models you can’t easily remove edge from the OS. But sometimes you need a windows machine and don’t *want* to be forced to do something.
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2024-10-06
Just have a script look up cat memes all day 24/7
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2024-10-06
"Clients information was exposed today by an unintentional flaw in the windows update turning ON the feature as well as uploading the local data into a compromised ONE account. We appreciate you sticking with us and helping make us better along the way, long live Microsoft."
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2024-10-06
"Oh it's not running", says Microsoft. "Then why is it in our processes?", we ask. "Your background wallpaper needs it to be there but it's not actually running or doing anything," replies Microsoft with a straight face. "If it's not actually running or doing anything, why does the background wallpaper task need it?", we push. "For reasons that are simply too technical to get into," Microsoft hedges.
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2024-10-06
The concept of market "Trending" started by the fashion industry. Lot of short term returns.
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2024-10-06
Crap. So what do I do now? My PC has the copilot thing on the Taskbar can get rid of this?
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2024-10-06
No, fight this, I will not had ads in windows, you will not sell my data and will not have you RECORD EVERYTHING I DO
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2024-10-06
Everyone talks about students using AI for their papers. I'm an academic librarian and the worst is that *faculty* is using it! They'll come to me and ask me to locate a specific article. I'll spend time trying to find it and after a while, when I'm frustrated, I'll ask where they got it from so I can try and do it that way\*. "Oh, Chat-GPT gave it to me." Chat makes shit up! I tell students that if you're going to cheat, at least put some effort into cheating. \*I'm very good at finding things and take it as a personal failure if I can't.
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2024-10-06
ML is just a new way to build out an algorithm to do a task. The problem is that most scenarios where ML would be useful (voice & image recognition, OCR, face detection, chat bots) already exist, and "We spent millions of dollars and took a few years, and now that thing we could do before is now better" is not exciting. So we get a feedback loop of hype for something that no one has any new use cases for. LLMs are an extra stupid case. We built models that can produce natural sounding language, but never built out anything that can properly process and interpret information. So you just end up with confidence sounding, regurgitated bullshit.
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2024-10-06
Yep, the stock market has become almost entirely unreflective of the actual economy or what is actually a good product or such. Tesla was another great example, iirc its stock had it worth the combined total of severs car companies while barely selling in comparison. Our economy has evolved (devolved?) to a financial hellscape, where the finance aspects of capitalism have now put actual progress and innovation into a stranglehold. And this isn’t coming from some hard core “communism now” person, my degree literally IS economics. Capitalism, socialism, communism, none are inherently good or bad, they’re just names for systems of approach toward our resource allocations, but I’d bet my life on that years from now future textbooks will talk about our current era in much the same way they did the gilded age. Anyway this is to say everything is infected with subscriptions and shovelware crap now because the average person simply is too preoccupied and too uninformed that they(we) become easy pickings for high ranking C-Suites who’ve figured out profit extraction to a science, basically they know how people work and they abuse the ever living hell out of it.
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2024-10-06
It blows my mind that anyone using their product really beleives when you tell it to opt-out that it really does. They want this becuase it will harvest so much more of your data than before and they're not going to give it up that easy.
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2024-10-06
Well the thing is recall data isn't being used by adsense (yet or ever will be tbf, that is purely speculative but anyway...) the fact it's local stored and as far as I know, there hasn't been a security researcher that has said that Microsoft are secretly uploading the data. The current concern is the ease at which a potential bad actor could abuse the feature inorder to obtain the data which is imo a different topic to what people are mostly going on in this comment thread as recall isn't even in a release form only a preview which may or may not change things.
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2024-10-06
> You can't trust any content from AI so then wtf is it good for? It's the current buzzword fad which is a gauranteed winning talking point for justifying millions of dollars in bonuses to the Board/Shareholders. Just like VR, AR, "cloud", Big Data, etc...
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2024-10-06
Reddit moment
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2024-10-06
I have no doubts they will make it still run even if you opt-out. I don't ever trust any of this mega-corporations to really do what they say especially once they know this great thing they want is not wanted by the customer. They never keep our data private. It's never safe from hackers. There's always some leak or breach in their security that only seems to hurt the users. Their company data is still always safe.
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2024-10-06
speaking of blows, they gonna get a lotta porn
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2024-10-06
Butvit won't really be "opt in". The switch to turn it off will be hidden so deep we'll need to hire James Cameron to find it. Then it'll turn itself back on with each system update, or just show that it's off in settings but continue to run in the background like Cortana does.
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2024-10-06
Yeha they don’t want you emailing them is the main reason. My perspective is from the “deploying and maintaining HIPAA compliant systems” aspect.   For screen recording data we can’t share it with vendors unless they have a BA with us, and even then we stay away from it and instead show them it live on a call. (Think - I call MS to work on an issue that you found as an end user - I use your screen recording to troubleshoot and show their techs the steps to reproduce).
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2024-10-06
U mad?
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2024-10-06
It's an opt-in... for now. Even then, I can see some companies enabling this and using this against remote workers.
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2024-10-06
This is a piece of software that fundamentally creates a treasure trove for any potential attacker. I don't care if it's encrypted. The decryption keys will exist in order for the data to be accessible for the software. Fundamentally, if the data exists, it's stealable. The only security here is if the data doesn't exist. Honestly, as often as I've dealt with TeamViewer attacks, this piece of software even existing and sanctioned by Microsoft is absolutely a lightning rod for malicious attackers to convince people to install it. Attackers will absolutely convince people to install it and let them install their little recall harvester.
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2024-10-06
Check out [Mint](https://www.linuxmint.com/)
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2024-11-06
Yeah I have to agree. It's interesting at first but as you use it more, you realize it's not smart at all. And it lives to just make stuff up.
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2024-11-06
It just doesn't though. You want it to write code? You need a real dev to prompt and correct. You want it to write copy? You need a real editor to prompt and correct. Maybe... maybe you can take 3 low level and replace with 1 high level... but wheres that high level coming from? If that dude grew on a tree he'd already be there.
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2024-11-06
All good points, while it’s true that various surveillance software exists for different operating systems, the issue isn't just about availability. The concern revolves around the potential for misuse and privacy invasion regardless of the platform. 1. **Existing Surveillance Software:** Yes, there are robust surveillance tools available, but the existence of these tools doesn’t justify introducing or using more software that could potentially invade privacy. Just because worse alternatives exist doesn't mitigate the concerns about new ones. 2. **User Control Over Recall:** The ability for users to disable or pause Recall is a positive feature. However, in many workplace environments, employees may not have the freedom to modify or disable software installed by their employers. Even if biometric login adds a layer of security, it doesn't address the core concern that employee monitoring can be invasive and erode trust. 3. **Ease of Spying:** Just because it’s easier to spy using existing software doesn’t make Recall’s potential issues less significant. Security and privacy are not just about how easy it is to breach but about the principles and trust underlying the use of such tools. Every new software should be scrutinized for its potential impact on user privacy. 4. **Employer IT Policies:** It’s correct that employees often can't choose their operating systems to evade IT policies. This reinforces the importance of robust privacy protections and ethical considerations in any monitoring software used by employers. Employees deserve transparency and control over what data is collected about them.
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2024-11-06
I bet the opt-out button is harder to find, and has like 8 menus you need to get through to find out.
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2024-11-06
I am OOTL. What is recall and what does it do. I understand it's bad but I don't know how bad.
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2024-11-06
Who wants this and why would they want it?
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2024-11-06
I genuinely think that MS might be too bloated so its employees need to find stuffs to do. You would think that means they would improve the core experience of Windows better but it's widely known Windows code is super convoluted so maybe only few can actually handle those works. The rest would have to find work in menial stuffs like weather widget on taskbar.
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Yes, due to monolithic designs. The G series chips will use a bit less power at idle. It is also only about a 10 watt difference. For 20 hours of idle a day, thats less than 10 bucks in electricity costs a year in the US and around 24 US dollars in the UK. In return you are getting a better chip when you actually use it. At current prices it would take 6 years for the 8700G to save you money vs the Ryzen 7700. You shave a hour a day off your gaming time on a 200 Watt GPU (which is on the lower side of things), and the wattage saved from the GPU alone will make up the electricity costs and be better for your health. For GPU loads. The only practical one would be something like video encoding. This isn't exactly good at rendering, the 1060 3GB has better OpenCL performance. Sure you could offload encoding, and it would be decent at it around real time or a bit better. Or just shove a $100 arc 310 in there or in your main rig and get 150fps+. While the physical dimensions of a PCIE slot might be an issue. If you are worried about number of lanes for IO, the 7700 has more lanes anyways and also has PCIE 5.0 rather than the 4.0 the 8700G has. and AI workloads.... lol 16 tops is the literal bottom of the barrel. Even the 40TOPs these AI laptops have is barely enough to perform the glorified google searches that are these "AI" features. Literally just do it on your GPU and cpu to get an output in 10-20 seconds (or less) rather than waiting upwards of 10 minutes or not being able to do it at all because there is basically no support for NPU based AI acceleration for anything besides these Windows functions and a few features in Adobe and similar software.
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2024-11-06
I'm going to Linux when steam link vr works in Linux. Hopefully soon.
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It Blows my mind anyone would think this is a feature for the end user, and not say, the govt or law enforcement. Just ask yourself, how many times have I wished I coukd Browse what I was doing on my computer at any given time? Uhhhh.....like never?
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2024-11-06
It's a great idea that would immediately be useful. It just needs to be secured. No BS secured. I'm talking an attacker remotely compromises my PC and the data remains secure. To do this they'd need either a hardware secure enclave or to run windows under a restrictive hypervisor, though, and they didn't do either. Also every request would require biometric authentication.
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2024-11-06
Oh yes, and I *definitely* trust them to keep it that way.
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2024-11-06
They don’t want it to a simple file search engine. That’s why it sucks not now then it did in the past
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2024-11-06
That's the thing, it doesn't even need to solve problems, just sound good enough to boost their stock price.
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If the stock market is irrational, then an intelligent rational person should be able to make hay.
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