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He's wrong about them being loud in the traditional sense BUT sensors which are able to detect submarines are getting so good that it's possible that there will be no hiding at all soon. Subs have very unique profiles so it's not at all impossible to just use sonar and have a computer guess if it's a sub or not, although I've also heard of laser detection (airplanes flying overhead) and other methods being employed (SAR). It's conjectured by some analysts that any submarine in the ocean would be detectable instantaneously in the next few decades.
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It's been a long time since I've been in the game, but...back in the 1970's th Russians made roughly three submarines for every one the US had.  I think it was some kind of "wolf pack" strategy. Anyways, because they knew they were going to have more subs, the subs they built were crap.   One of our sonarmen said they sounded like two skeletons f*king in a metal trash can. Before the Ukraine conflict, nobody would have believed this, but now...   I'm just an anonymous idiot from the internet, but if the west wants to take out Russian subs, it's a piece of cake.
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Definitely, especially sub surface drones with active sonar filling the Black Sea with sound. Russia is the only one using submarines so the use of active sonar would be very one sided against them.
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2024-10-06
They've gotta come up sometime.
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2024-10-06
At this point they would be too vulnerable to Russian aviation based out of Crimea or the border regions. But if those air bases are made too dangerous to use, then the western range of Russian aviation would drop off and the anti submarine aircraft could operate freely.
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2024-10-06
Whilst operational == true swim_direction = max(signal_str)
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2024-10-06
A torpedo is just a water missile
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2024-10-06
This works well for them since most of their previous Black Sea fleet is already under water.
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2024-10-06
Ya they always could, that's the whole point...
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2024-10-06
???? The US Navy as been flowing Russian subs with precision since the Cold war.
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2024-10-06
Water is pretty good shield against detection...
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2024-10-06
Not against sonar buoys and all the other tech those aircraft have. They are purpose-built to hunt and kill submarines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_P-8_Poseidon
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2024-10-06
1 ping only.
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2024-10-06
Prety awesome. Wonder what detection range do they have? Also weird that India has some ...
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2024-10-06
There are airborne drones that will operate in marine environments. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2357125-diving-drone-can-switch-between-flying-and-swimming/#:~:text=It%20can%20hover%20for%206,metres%20per%20second%20in%20water.&text=create%20lift%20in%20the%20air,turn%20much%20more%20slowly%20underwater.
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2024-10-06
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving people
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2024-10-06
And if they go unrestricted they could destroy the Mediterranean trade
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2024-10-06
Thats a self correcting problem though, if submarines start interfering in Mediterranean trade then they wont exist for much longer
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2024-10-06
Ok you can believe that
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2024-10-06
You’re just missing the broader point that the strategy is so fundamentally flawed that it doesn’t matter
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2024-11-06
They are working on it.
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2024-11-06
Are there “lightweight” torpedoes? Normal torpedoes are 24 feet long and more than a ton. Edit: I’ll answer my own question. [Yes, there are.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_54_Lightweight_Torpedo)
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They're guessing that's what got that Russian ship that was hit in the Sea of Azov just recently. Wasn't much damage, but the location makes a surface drone extremely unlikely and Ukraine has been developing a drone torpedo for a while now. https://youtu.be/oJZokgcstAE?si=J_WXRXFZEj8A3EB6
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2024-11-06
The problem is communication with the drone underwater, water doesn’t let communication get far, and the deeper you go the worse it’s going to get. It would need to be mostly autonomous once it goes under.
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2024-11-06
Bet on a new type of drone with depth charges and sonar.
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2024-11-06
All they have to do is get one . The rest will bugger.
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2024-11-06
China has no power projection capabilities with their navy so outside of being a local threat to their neighbors, they won't pose a great problem for the US navy over the next half a century.
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2024-11-06
Sure but that's quite some time at which point we have no idea where the US or the world for that mater will be. Technology is advancing exponentially, and so is climate change. You have to have revenue to build this stuff even if you are stealing the technology. China is heading for a world of hurt in the near future and funds are going to dip dramatically for a country of a billion. It's already started as it has in India as well. Flooding and famine are coming, but then who knows, maybe technology will win out and fusion energy will become a reality changing the world on a dime. Either way, they're not going to be in a position to pick a war with their number one trading partner let alone the probability of 7 more of their top ten who are allied to the US.
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2024-11-06
Ukraine says, challenge accepted.
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2024-11-06
Does submarine Drone exist?
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2024-11-06
No you missed the point. Once russia would start using submarines to attack trade ships, it will provoke others to start protecting them. Subs are hard to detect, but they can be detected and countries will provide the technology to detect and destroy submarines, if it means to protect trading.
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2024-11-06
Ukraine could do the funniest shot ever by turning a submarine into a float.
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2024-11-06
Sink those subs!!! F U Russia!!
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2024-10-06
No malarkey.
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2024-10-06
It's mainly a movie thing, we've negotiated plenty over the years.
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2024-10-06
Now this is not great either. I am sure you guys probably agree with each other, when it comes down to it. I believe there are certain forces in the world right now, mainly Russia. That want like-minded people in America to fight with each other.
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2024-10-06
Only took 8 months to pretend to give a shit about the American hostages. We did it Joe.
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2024-10-06
Israel is not full of zealots. It is a mostly secular liberal democracy. Surrounded by theocracies and monarchies and totalitarian states.
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2024-10-06
No. This is bullshit. You get your citizens back. If Israel can’t do it, then get it done without them. Leaving your people in danger when you could save them in order to save face with Israel is childish bullshit. Come on, now.
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2024-10-06
There’s a reason the US has a policy of not negotiating with terrorists. Joe is not exactly holding up that maxim - as we have seen through his failed dealings with Iran and Hamas.
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2024-10-06
Imagine if the US blows Hamas out of the water because they're going to refuse every deal the Americans offer them lmao
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2024-10-06
It’s considered uncouth to openly court and donate to the opposing party while negotiating with the party in power. This is even more true when that party has staged an insurrection, does not bargain in good faith, and has become the embodiment of White Christian nationalism.
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2024-10-06
We’ve got some of Hamas’ people sitting in US prisons. Some of them are old men now and could be released and deported somewhere like Qatar. For example these guys https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-judge-hands-downs-sentences-holy-land-foundation-case
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2024-10-06
So is penn
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>Negotiations have been stalled but also only 7 hostages have been rescued in that time too, Not just 7 hostages, but the bodies of several recovered. Remember that Hamas's proposed later deal wasn't releasing hostages alive--it was releasing them alive *or dead*. It would be lovely if negotiations would be more effective to free hostages, but we've got 6 months of unsuccessful negotiations and nothing to show for it except prolonging the suffering of those involved in the war. So I would argue that while negotiations helped and were better in the early weeks, now...well, we've got 6 months of negotiations with nothing, and a few weeks of war and rescue with several hostages rescued and several more bodies recovered. Also, Israel's ability to carry out an operation like this gives Israel leverage in future negotiations.
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2024-10-06
How exactly would we have "fixed the problem", given that 20 years in Afghanistan couldn't defeat the Taliban and after fighting the insurgency in Iraq for 20 years all we have to show for it is that we created ISIS.
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2024-10-06
This. 100% this. Get them out and let the chips fall where they may.
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2024-10-06
Take my upvote CTU
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2024-11-06
Honestly, this could be a win for US and Israel.
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2024-11-06
The thing is that they don't criticize anything like they criticize this conflict. Have you seen this level of protests agsinstvthe Saudis who used american weapons for killing 600k ppl in Yemen for over a decade? It's like in the UN where the world is full of horrible violators of human rights and they get something like 2-4 resolutions on them in a good year, and at the same time, israel get like 15 resolutions. Its the complete silence on other issues that shows ppl true faces. Those kids never invested protested against the PA's violation of Palestinians lives, or the theft of the aid by the leaders for decades, or the treatment of Palestiniansin lebanon. Making you wonder if they even care about Palestinians as much as they simply hate Israel
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2024-11-06
[Nixon paid off hijackers](https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19721111&id=gLgsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2wkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2836,2587848). Carter unfroze assets. Reagan rather famously negotiated with all kinds of terrorists as did Bush Sr. And Obama negotiated with ISIS and the Taliban. It's not clear if this is a real policy for top-level decisions.
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They, especially, have no idea who they actually work for. They haven't listened to the public since they were elected and have done absolutely nothing to solve the multiple crises they have both exacerbated and caused. They won't release names because, obviously, it implicates them. They have yet to provide a decent explanation as to why but it will undoubtedly be a bunch of total bull.
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2024-10-06
>Archer: That settles it I'm never voting for Hunter Biden. >Bobulinski "Tony Bobulinski, a former business partner of Hunter Biden, had previously said the “big guy” mentioned in the email dated **May 13, 2017**, from investor James Gilliar, was President Joe Biden." Lol did I miss an election somewhere? Who was president in 2017? Did Biden hold any elected office in 2017? Was Biden a private citizen in 2917? Was this illegal? No and none of this is indicating any wrongdoing. You know how I know? Because Republicans have been trying to impeach him and the entire process died on the vine. Alternative reality strikes again!
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2024-10-06
She was expelled from caucus much later, after it had already turned into a media shitstorm and she and Philpot were drip feeding details to the media and trying to start a caucus rebellion against Trudeau. She wasn't even asked to resign as a cabinet minister, she was given the (IIRC) Ministry of Veterans Affairs and herself chose to resign from cabinet it protest at the demotion. That's not to say Trudeau wasn't in the wrong, because he was, but this is often sensationalized with people acting like it all happened at once rather than over the course of weeks and months.
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Oh they know who they work for, there working to get that pension and making sure who ever buys them gives them a job when they lose there elections
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2024-10-06
I didn't, but im talking about this current one that the article is about. Not about Harper
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>Yeah, and the "Chinese Billionaire" you were talking about is also a Canadian Citizen, so the contribution (the cost of the dinner minus costs, so probably $1000 or less given the $1500 ticket price) is a valid political donation (that would take up most of his yearly contribution limit). Like I said, cash for access dinners are gross, but what actually happened is a far cry from what you implied actually happened in your original comment. So they used a helpful Canadian Citizen to hold the event and then sold tickets to non-canadian citizens. That seems like a work around for legalities, not an excuse for the behavior. People who attended this meeting made large donations to the Trudeau foundation, including Zhang Bin who made a $1,000,000 donation to the Trudeau Foundation at this event. >Zhang Bin, a wealthy Chinese businessman, finds himself in the middle of a controversial 2016 donation to the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation that The Globe and Mail has reported was linked to the Chinese government, allegedly part of Beijing’s meddling in Canadian democratic processes. >A Chinese citizen with a home in Quebec, Mr. Zhang is president of the China Cultural Industry Association, a government-backed body that promotes Chinese soft power around the world. He is also a member of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, an advisory body, and, according to a now-deleted profile of him on the industry association website, a member of the ruling Communist Party. To me, it's irrelevant if the CCP puppets donated directly to the party or indirectly through this 'foundation'. The simple fact is that JT has received foreign money either directly or indirectly and now his government is being accused of receiving electoral aid from that very same government. If it was just a coincidence, the Liberals wouldn't be fighting the investigation at every step of the way. If it was just a MP or two, they would throw them under the bus and be with it. Same if the interference allegations were against the Cons. The only reason they are willing to take all the negative publicity related to withholding information is because releasing it would cause a worse backlash. As for your comment about David Johnson's credibility. He has close ties to the CCP. He helped found a Confuscious Insitiute at U Waterloo. The same institute that is used to extend CCP influence into Canadian universities and intimidate Chinese students into Submission. His credibility is 100% suspect.
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Fair enough, I guess I disagree with describing it as “much later”. Resigning on 12FEB and being formally expelled on 02APR is pretty darn close together given how slow government typically moves. I get how people might compress the timeline a bit on the 7 weeks between two events that happened 5 years ago
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They cover one other topic afterward at the 43 minute mark which was the conservative MP bringing up abortion in a recent interview and discussion about Poilievres response.
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Those kids mothers wouldnt bat an eyelash if some Hamas fuckstick came and told her he needed her child to strap an explosive belt to him and throw him at a tank. you worthless losers changing tactics to guilt trip people is fucking hilarious.
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2024-10-06
"refugee camp" aka a 40 year old city
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2024-10-06
Actually, she would. She’d question why he didn’t say he needed both of her children.
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2024-10-06
So does going on a murderous terrorist rampage and then celebrating it in the streets. Palestinians have wrought this on their own heads through decades of abject racism and terrorism. Israel was backed into a corner on 10/7 and now Hamas cannot be allowed to stand. Civilian casualties are awful, but Hamas is 100% attempting to maximize them.
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I’m looking at my hands right now and I don’t see any blood. Certainly no blood from children thousands of miles away from me. Fuck off. Palestinian civilians celebrated in the streets, spit on dead bodies, raped hostages, danced and cheered while the militant wing of their government was in the act of the fuck shit they did on 10/7.
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2024-10-06
I'd be pissed if my country's courts randomly accused me of murder as well.
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2024-10-06
Tell that to the Victorian parliament who refuse to do anything about the weekly protests about the same issues that are draining police resources due to the constant disruptions. There are literally daily protests at times in Melbourne.
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2024-10-06
I'm looking at my comments and no where did I defend Hamas. Israelis have attacked aid trucks going into Gaza and opened fire on starving people trying to get food. Defend that bullshit
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2024-10-06
We closed the mental asylums and look what happened.
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2024-10-06
Maybe they should elect a modern government.
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2024-10-06
That's why I took a dump directly on the floor of my former employers bathroom. I'm sure the CEO will enjoy cleaning that one up! GOTEM! /s
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2024-10-06
sadly some are now in such an echo chamber they believe the pure lies spread by both right and left extreme media from the UK/US about australia itself, whereby if they even exited the house they would know that there are no covid quarantive centres and the like...
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How come Hamas is NOT demanding part of the profits from the Ben Gurion canal Israel is about to start building across the middle of the gaza strip..
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Just like 46.9% of the US was brainwashed into believing in a clown. Until these people are actually murdering others they’re innocent. End of. I eat downvotes for breakfast just shows how much y’all lack consistency in your “critiques.”
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2024-10-06
What if the children are shooting at you?
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2024-10-06
No bc it’ll just Israel’s fault for killing their own hostages. They’d never admit to actually killing them themselves.
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2024-10-06
So... literal war crimes. Wonder how those protestors will take this news. Probably celebrate again.
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2024-10-06
I can have babies if I WANT to!
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2024-10-06
They will happily accept death if it means they carry out their “mission”.
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2024-10-06
And not giving warnings. They want warnings in advance but then say things like this.
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2024-10-06
“YoU caNT tELl tHe OpPreSed hOw ThEy SHoulD ReSiSt!”
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I could have made a deal with my little brother but instead I pounded him. The alternate endgame was me getting screwed and all my friends being like "yeah, we know, he's insane, and he weighs 50 pounds. Why didn't you beat the shit out of him?" It's not always that way, but this time it clearly was. He was raping my teddy bears. Like, what the fuck? You're getting the shit beat out of you. What orld are you living in, little bro?
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2024-10-06
I don't think sarcasm that obvious needs to be tagged. If anything, it helps exposing the less sane people around here.
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It was making fun of idiots that justify terrible things, it wasn’t even aimed at Palestinians, more westerners that say mental things. I think Palestinian anger is understandable. I did kind of misread what you said though, and that’s on me. My bad.
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[BBC](https://twitter.com/jconricus/status/1799660273172922420)
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Yeah, complete punk bitches.
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News reports are the other way around. Would you then also agree with the following interpretation of this? IDF: ‘using (aid) truck as disguise, not wearing uniforms’ Hamas: ‘Kill hostages if IDF comes near’ I mean, both can be wrong, right?? Both **are** wrong. Like wtf, why does Reddit always have to pretend one side is good. You know how many civilians died to rescue 4 hostages, just so Ben can say he doesn’t negotiate with terrorists? While, you know he does, has done so and will do so in the future. Like I can’t be happy that 4 hostages got rescued if more than 100 civilians may have died. Shit, that’s insane. Is it terrible that the hostages were in the middle of this camp? Yes! But this blatant disregard for innocent human life is worse. Is it the civilians fault at all that they are stuck in this mess? Why can’t people just be fucking empathic, instead of jumping to these fucking bullshit comments. These are humans who died.
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Their leader is in Qatar. No matter how many they kill, Iran and co will funnel money in and recruit more. You can't destroy organizations like this unless you are willing to go like extermination route - as in like everyone in Gaza essentially dead or in camps.
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2024-10-06
I genuinely wonder what it must feel to be this stupid sometimes.
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2024-10-06
Hamas can stop the war anytime and save their people by surrendering.
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2024-10-06
Disguising yourself to rescue hostages is wrong if you're a brain broken idiot I guess.
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Jews are only ever in the right when they let themselves be massacred and roll over, and never strike back.
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Civilians guarding hostages are not civilians. Civilians acting as human shields for guards guarding hostages are not civilians.
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If the IDF infiltrated Gaza and started killing innocents and taking hostages, then yeah I wouldn't really complain if Hamas sent special operatives disguised as civilians to rescue the hostages. Like, yeah it's a shame civilians were killed, but these are hostages the IDF has every right to rescue. What are they supposed to do?
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Yeah but the reason so many children are dying is because of Hamas though..
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