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Mercenaries are expensive to maintain and have already showed limited loyalty, so it’s no surprise Putin is using them as cannon fodder. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I mean the largest casualties from WWll just so happen to come from this very same place. So it doesn’t surprise me. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Don’t you mean in *decimating* Bakhmut? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
The howitzers are hungry | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Is that 20000 + the 50000 dead by April? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Seems we can agree it was a very sad affair for both Russia and Ukraine. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
20k+ dead is just a Wagner mercenary, mostly former inmates. Overall, there are more than 146 000 casualties from both sides, which makes Battle of Bakhmut among 20 bloodiest battles in the history of this planet by lowest estimates. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
How fucking sad is that. For what reason? Just stop invading Ukraine already. Slava Ukraini! | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Then we should skip to the end of WWII when the dictator commits suicide inside his bunker. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
And Putin had the Wagner leader murdered as thanks for the help. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
What a shame that they didn't march all the way to Moscow....what a shame. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
One death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Decimating is not the word your looking for, it implies that 1/10 buildings were destroyed. It was the surface of the moon by the time they "secured" it. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
You are right. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Yes, let's. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
War is just the rich thinning the herd. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I would absolutely love to understand what actually happened with that story. So pivotal, so bizarre. So close to something huge. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Can't imagine the Corruption Ukraine regime loses in these past 2+ years. I think when it's all said and done Ukraine will seize to exist as a state. War of ATTRITION. Propaganda by the west "wonder weapons" and all this bs is just crazy. So far russia has taken most of the fertile land of the Ukraine regime. Look at gaza compared to Ukraine. I mean jeez its insane. I can't imagine the logistic of all the shit western weapons given to the Ukrainian regime; must be a nightmare. Hell the west hasn't given Ukraine there beat weapons it's just shocking, I guess it's TRUE "to the last ukranian." If Trump wins RIP Ukraine regime. Guess they fought for the western elites that bought up all their land. Sleep joe oh man. Gotta give 10% to the big guy. What happened to the fortifications of the Ukraine regime. Last I heard the top guys that were supervising the constitution are on trial for corruption. Like come on 2+ years of this shit and this is still happening. People are captured on the streets and sent to the front. People of the Ukraine regime are running to other EU countries. USA said Ukraine regime cannot attack russian only the within the warzone .. like wtf. I see the writing on the wall and after the failed Ukraine regime offensive ain't no way they taking back territory. So stupid to think they could do anything without air support.. just ridiculous thinking the west will continue to support this corrupt regime. The way I see it, the russians are learning and are are way different than there were at the star of the war but I can't say the same for the ukranian regime. Anyways who am I to say this stuff, just a random dude on the internet. But I do have to mention that do now listen to everything you hear from the mainstream media its total crap. I hope Ukraine regime surrenders or sign a peace deal which I they should've done and signed during the negotiations in Istanbul but the USA and borris said otherwise. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I can't believe I wasted the time to read this | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
[This is not what decimate actually means. Yes it means that in Latin, but now decimate has another meaning.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/the-original-definition-of-decimate) | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Weird that Stalin was the example right in front of you and you went with Hitler but OK lol. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
After their coup he had to kill the force off | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
How do you suggest the war end? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Who says he was tricked
Could've known well enough with no way out | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I still kinda suspect he is still out there somewhere and having cut all ties to his old life was his only possibility of retiring without being a threat to someone else's power | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Possible but unlikely. I find it more likely that Putin had him eliminated for embarrassing him | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Only reason I can see is his family is threatened but why the elaborate scheme with the plane crash? We might never know. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
So they could make it look pretty in their state sponsored news probably
We always ask why Putin is saying dumb shit but there are Russians who nod to his shit like he's dropped the hottest rap album | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Is falling out of windows out of fashion these days? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
He said killed not murdered. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I don't think any man who grew to be his age leading the Wagner group of all things would make a mistake that a 10 year old could see coming. The man had one of the craziest careers of anybody I could really even think of in the modern day. You gotta get up pretty early in the morning to try to convince me that guy gets assassinated like putin is ordering takeout | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Anyone's guess at this point. Maybe after Putin's gone, the actual story will come out.
My guess: Putin offered Pringles massive bribes and rewards to cancel the coup, and agreed to all of his demands, all the while planning the assassination. It was done via plane explosion so that there'd be 0 chance of survival and also next to 0 chance of evidence arising that implicated Putin. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
There’s a character in Shakespeare where in a war he would rally underprepared peasants to join his militia group to join the glorious battle. His scam was all the money he’d get from the Lord for his force would end up in his pocket because all his men would die in battle and he’d get their wages.
So if Russia isn’t conforming it’s dead or paying the widows less. The wages that would have gone to these soldiers via taxpayers funds goes to whoever is in charge of the private mercenary group probably in some underhanded scam or laundering if the books aren’t scrutinised and gov officials are in on it | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
It's going to make a gruesome HBO series some day. The story of this guy. I'm thinking Jim Carrey might be too old to play a younger Prigozhin, but he's definitely zany enough. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
You can't half-ass a coup attempt. You need to be all-in because failure=death. Prigozhin didn't seem to fully grasp that concept. Perhaps he figured he was above that rule.
As soon as they made a major push for Moscow, the FSB rounded up the families of the top Wagner leadership and made it abundantly clear that they would rape, torture, and murder every single one of them. The top Wagner guys obviously weren't cool with the cost, so support for the coup kinda fizzled. They couldn't surrender though because they would be murdered. That's where that Belarusian fuckwit Lukashenko comes in and says "Is OK, Putin forgive." Apparently they believed it enough to end the coup and perhaps save their families. Obviously, Putin doesn't forgive, so he arranges for the wings to fall off Prigozhin's plane. Now the Wagner guys get fed into the meat grinder, which solves 2 problems.
They have enough Wagner guys left to do the whole African gold/slave labor thing. Doesn't take many guys to stomp out opposition groups and bribe leadership in Africa. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
From what Ive read, the vast majority of Russias new recruits are poor and misled foreign mercenaries or Russians from outside of the major cities or these prisons.
Seems like others believe that Putin is recruiting this way to limit the impact the casualties will have on the major population centres. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
So everyone else sees. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Aye, and for a more contextual comparison, so far they've had 5 times the casualties of the Soviet-Afghan war in less than two years. A war that lasted nearly a decade of grinding attrition, outdone by a "2 week special military operation" | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Honestly part of the reason Putin and Shoigu wanted to get rid of him was he had a nasty habit of spouting actual casualty numbers, instead of the sanitized propaganda counts the Government itself was putting out. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I think you underestimate the amount of hubris some people possess. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
"One death is a tragedy, one million is a statistic" - credited to Joseph Stalin
Humans can empathize with anything individually, but we lose perspective very quickly with numbers, and with that, the humanization of each individual life is lost.
Always remember that every person who has ever lived has had their own hopes, dreams, fears, needs, loved, and hated the same as yourself | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
What was going to happen to them? They get put in prison? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I am saying that decimate evolved into a less precise meaning, from 10% of the army randomly, to 10% of something, to a large proportion of something. But his current meaning still encompass its original one.
That is different from, say *Forum*, which evolved into something different but sort-of connected to the idea of central place, or *Century* which acquired a completely different meaning. Or *Sinister*. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Everybody's talking about Putin being surrounded by yes men to the extent he can't see the real situation outside of the Kremlin walls. The same thing would be true for his inner circle.
I can fully see Prigozhin being favoured by Putin for so long that he though he could stand up to the old man, having become blind to where the limit was. While those who actually lived in constant fear of Putin could see it from far away.
Also, competitors may have egged him on knowing this was his exact weak spot. He would annoy Putin but still be favoured ... until he went too far, which means death. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Yeah, you get on that plane and we don't torture your entire family to death. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Prigozhin was about as good as planning things in advance as Putin... | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Okay I'm sorry but 20k died to take what looks like a Project Zomboid map on the article photo.
Bakhmut looks like a complete write-off, how does anyone even begin to think about rebuilding this???
Did or does Russia at any point plan to actually demolish these ruins and raise a new town? I'm very, very doubtful. This is an insane waste of resources and life. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
War must be close to end. According to reddit, there are no Russians or soldiers left, neither tanks and what else? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I think he must have thought some of the other generals/PMCs to try such a move. It's the only rational thing I can think of. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Ah yes oldest trick in the book.
"You go on this plane or your family goes on this plane." | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Even higher motive for Putin: exterminate political prisoners and opponents in prison. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Likely Putin threatened their families. Had them rounded up and sent the mutineers photos of them tied up with guns pointed at their heads. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Putin waited a year then got rid of several of the generals Pringles complained about. Pringles was correct about their ineptitude and corruption; he just didn't go about it the right way in getting Putin to act. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
If it’s like a slightly wacky chernobyl i’m in! | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Freedom from life! | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Eh at least rapists a portion were
Wonder how many were falsely convicted but chose to be pardoned | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
90% or so were convicts, only 10% were Wagners professional forces
And it worked, Russia traded thousands of prisoners for thousands of Ukraines most experienced soldiers, and they took the city. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
The *shelled out husk* skeleton of a city | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Well yes, Iraq and Afghanistan were occupations/counterinsurgencies, not a war between peers.
If the US ever goes into a full scale conventional war those casualty numbers will happen again. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Ha holy fuck the SHOIGUUUU video was like Russian anime. That chapter of the war was ridiculously theatrical. Dude was definitely having a breakdown | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Wagner needs to get those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Craziest thing to me is that a mercenary company today can have that many recreuits to begin with. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
What a dumb thing to say about an invading army lmao | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Wagner operations in Africa had to be secured before getting rid of him. As of why airplane, well, airplane carried not just Prig himself but all of the Wagner leadership. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Lol you think Putin didn't know who he was??? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Iraq hardly had bows and arrows when they were invaded. They had a serious army and some serious kit. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
He might have fallen out of the plane window on the way down, you never know. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
russia | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Warmongering war criminals will not be rewarded. To do so would be to invite more aggression into perpetuity. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
yeah that was so fucking dumb | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
More like he didn’t have an alternative plan for Shoigo being where he was supposed to be.
He changes plans and Wagner wound up improvising. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
"Tomorrow we ride to Bakhmut, Bambino's!" | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
It is a form of coercion by its nature.
You’re also talking about Russian prisons who lock people up for a number of reasons you can argue are a violation of human rights like being homosexual. Even if they are violent criminals, why would you want them in your armed forces so you can give them a weapon and the means to commit a war crime that will never be punished because it’s Russia.
All that aside I think it’s a pretty disgusting argument to be made that just because someone had committed a crime it’s ok to give them an opportunity to redeem themselves by killing other people. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I’m impressed that there where 20k Wagner mercenaries! That’s a lot of people! I wonder where they were from and what drove them to die for a company!
I also wonder if the mercenaries who died, if their families actually got payed unlike the Russian soldiers. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Right; so the person had a choice to remain in prison or join the invasion and chose the latter. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I see your point about coercion, but it's a fallacy to assume that being a prisoner automatically removes all agency. While the conditions might influence their decision, the fact remains that they still have a choice between different options. If the prisoners are given a genuine, voluntary choice to serve instead of remaining incarcerated, they are exercising their free will.
The ethics of this situation depend heavily on how that choice is presented and the conditions under which it is made. Unless you have evidence that this choice is presented in a way in which they have no real choice, or face punishment if they don't serve, they do still have free will. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Quite a few more are going to join them. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Most of them were convicts that were promised freedom after their service. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
That's Putin. Kill, make sure everyone knows it was you, but still deny it. Why did they kill with Polonium? It's basically impossible to come by for private persons, they made it very obvious this was government work. Yet they denied the involvement. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
This is closer to WWI era combat than modern combat. Trenches and artillery. Look at the pictures of Bakhmut. Russia has been reported to use upwards of 10,000 shells a day and Ukraine at least a few thousand.
If we use that comparison, the British lost over 19,000 troops in a single day in the Battle of the Somme. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
For dramatic effect. This wasn't a difference of opinion, this was personal. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
The Somme comparison brings up a very good point; really to get to the crux of these comparisons we need to know how many total troops Wagner sent into battle that resulted in the 20k KIA. Did they send 100,000 men? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Don't get your hopes up. These were all prisoner conscripts, convicted of rape and murder. They were just cannon fodder for Wagner. Out of the 20,000 killed, 17,000 were prisoners. So they actually lost 3000 professional Wagner units during the battle. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
Reminder that Wagner is also aiding the RSF in Sudan | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
> The problem is everyone thinks they are the good guy
There is little ambiguity here. Russia is not the good guy. This conflict started when Russians crossed the border, wearing no identifying insignia (in violation of international law), and attacked and killed Ukrainians and stole their property.
> and the Russians and non west see us as the aggressor.
Their policymakers know the truth, and don't care, because they have conned their citizens through RT to believe the lie.
A defensive alliance (of which Ukraine is NOT a member) - is NOT the aggressor.
And the Budapest memorandum's language is not ambiguous. It's quite clear, and Russia is in violation of it. They were in violation literally before the ink dried. (long before 2014).
>This is the impasse and the issue at hand. How do we solve it?
Sunflower food.
>The likelihood of Ukraine forcing Russia out all the way is very low, don’t you think?
Doesn't seem that way. Let's watch and see what happens. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-12-06 |
Those guys mostly stood aside and watched how things played out. No one really wanted to die for Putin or Prig for that matter. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-12-06 |
We all saw his plane. And his brown stain. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-12-06 |
What? Where did people think I was sympathizing with him? Even an oliarch seeing thousands dead could change them enough to be stupid enough to match on a mad man
"Oligarch's gonna oligarch" explains why no one has tried to take Putin out personally, even Hitler had assassination attempts. Prig clearly didn't see himself above rule, the dude was a rooster for God sake. He knew his place. He sent those men to die, he saw the piles of carnage he caused. He didn't have a redemption arc but he sure as hell thought he could run the war better than those serving above him | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-12-06 |
I don't mean indefinitely. But *for now* they've been able to. I think equipment wise, they can keep it up another 1.5 years at least.
Probably longer because they'll buy shitty vehicles from China that cost under $15,000 each and can keep sending fodder on those. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-12-06 |
Well during the USSR, every business had to have a dual military purpose to begin with, so lots of existing buildings already were able to be military factories. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-12-06 |
What does that even mean. No legal route to negotiations? Ukraine has a government and they’re fighting against Russia. What is there not to trust? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-12-06 |
And one day people will get tired of their failed policies and frivolous finger-pointing, and then they'll end up with people like Milei. And then maybe they'll switch back again and again. And it still won't be particularly relevant. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-14-06 |
Not sure your reply was meant for me? Cant make sense of it. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-14-06 |
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How long will it take Russia to move more air defense systems like S-300 or S-400 into Crimea? ATACMS needs more targets. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I think they're going the other way, and Putin sees that if he "gives" back Crimea, he can try and trade the Eastern part of Ukraine. When the bridge is taken out, Crimea will be indefensible anyway. Hopefully, Ukraine can get ZNPP back under their control so we can all sleep easier. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
I think it is a huge mistake for Russia to actually defend Crimea. So I welcome Russia making, what I think is a mistake, when they try to defend it. I mean, if they don't place AA on the peninsula, Ukranian drones will just bomb the living shot out of anything that resembles a military target. But if they do, it will just be bombed by HIMARS and drones. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
The problem with Crimea, which has been a problem for as long as Crimea has been fought for throughout history, is that it's extremely difficult to defend. Once the bridge is gone and the land link through south-east Ukraine is cut, there's no way to supply the troops there and no natural defences. It's why the Germans captured it with relative ease in 1941/2 (Sevastopol being the only real point of resistance here), and why the Soviets took it back over the course of barely a month in 1944.
Water is also a massive issue. There's no decent natural water source in Crimea, and in the past was always supplied by canals from Ukraine proper. In 2014 Ukraine put these canals out of action and now all drinking water has to be supplied by the bridge or by rail. Cut the rail links, destroy the bridge, Crimea becomes untenable for the russians. No point having a port there if you can't supply it, and with Ukraine's ability to smash any russian ship based there to pieces its value drops dramatically. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-11-06 |
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