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The irony of your comment is deeply depressing | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Then you can enjoy living in your fictional world where only the sources that reinforce your political views are reliable. The rest of us will engage with the reality wherein the BBC has documented evidence of the claims they put forth. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Okay, I’ve been to nearly a dozen cities across Europe in the past month, and they all had some quantity of migrants.
It may not be *ALL* cities in Europe, and it may not be *ALL* major cities, but it’s a lot of them.
The issue that there are an ever increasing number of migrants and refugees the globe over is a major problem. They may not yet be in *YOUR* city, but they will be at some point. If your city doesn’t prepare the infrastructure to accommodate them, that’s when it becomes difficult. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
I do not care about your tangent "but this one time, in Palestine". That does not counter any of the evidence put forth or verified by the BBC. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
So we can stop ignoring all of the negative things illegal immigrants say about the US border patrol? FINALLY. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
This comment section is just insane. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Says the guy whose opinions are clearly dictated by propaganda. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Your average human can barely even open a small zip tie on a bag or a box without scissors lol | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
not sure what you're getting at.
* guy that i replied to said people have swum further to survive (further than 2.5km)
* i agree with this, saying that channel is perhaps 40km or thereabouts. (where channel refers to the most well known channel: the english channel), also commonly known fact: the channel has been crossed via swimming, unassissted by quite some people. although not a survival scenario, the point being that it is humanly possible. ergo, 2.5km is not an unbelievable distance for people to have survived.
* nowhere do i suggest england and greece share a land border. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
>if you said exactly what you think is going on it would sound crazy and even you realize that.
There it is. Guy uses a couple anglicisms and you think the whole thing is fake. Surely you know how much of a reach that is.
He's currently doing a graduate degree in the UK. Most likely, he picked those turns of phrases by being exposed to a lot more English. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Sounds like they watched how whatever Hamas/Palestine reported got received and decided to emulate it. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Ah well, misunderstood you then, my bad. Didn't catch why the English channel would be relevant to the discussion here. But that way, it makes sense. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Damn, so when independent journalists make an error, they get distrust. But parroting IDF propoganda is 100% trustworthy huh? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
However it's only reporting one aspect, so you're only getting a half truth in all of this.
The Turkish authorities are known to equipment refugees minimally and are kind of giving Sadaqa to enable dangerous crossings with pisspoor equipment that needs humanist intervention - they don't care if they live or die. Despite having been given billions to help deal with it, they keep wrapping their hands in and demanding more.
I've been onboard a Type 45 as we've seen the radar signatures of Turkish coastguards escorting refugees out into international waters from Turkish territorial waters and towards Greece - knowing full well that what they're using might reach the destination if they're lucky. The waters tend to have a shallower draft, which causes issues for anything that isn't a cutter.
If you haven't got a local pilot on board, getting into those areas is dangerous to the ship due to uncharted wrecks. This is why Turkey does it.
Greece are no angels in this, but don't give Turkey a free pass. They're just as culpable. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
There have been dozens of reports of Greek coast guard actively hurting migrants attempting to cross via the aegian over the last 3 years. There is no denying that they are doing this, the people on this post spewing nonsense are just coping. NYT, Telegraph, BBC are just some of the news organizations that have confirmed separate incidents in the last 2 years. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Lol. Rescuing these ~~rapidly-reproducing illegasl~~ "refugees" would be gross neglect of our own taxpayers, not to mention actively harmful to our societies, considering the number of headaches we've already imported since 2015. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Er, yes. You should automatically throw out singular claims from unverifiable accounts with no evidence. I could make 100s of throwaway accounts to push a dialogue. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
I’ve been hearing about the migrant situation over there in Greece for a few years now. Hope this isn’t true though | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
If the coast guard were trying to kill you and had a lot to lose by trying and *failing* to kill you, you don’t think the *coast guard* would know the minimum distance to throw you overboard to guarantee you don’t survive? I’d have thought they would by far be the best versed in that exact topic. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
> if only they were taught the float on your back until you reach land technique.
Let's not discount the actions of those brave men here. Those navy seals very likely would have survived if they had ziptied hands, training only goes so far. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Of zip tying a human and throwing them overboard? Need 1 of the hundreds. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Yeah I was pushing things a little there.
But the issue is boring.
For half a century there's been a push for neoliberalism, to the point that it's now TINA - there is no alternative.
Any time we suggest anything actually helpful it's all "sweet summer child" and "but who will pay?"
So here we have some more underpaid under educated under trained over influenced workers who I believe believe that the migrants are a threat to their economy because https://img.ifunny.co/images/915e3e5c263cb3d39bc69c4359bf380f7ffdf99473086087c25a2463f2b6046b_1.jpg
It's the same with Mexican migrants in cages or mothers with their tubes tied, it's the same with stories from the UK about government schools closing on Fridays for Islamic prayer, it's the same with stories of violent gangs in Sweden, it's the same with stories of African gangs in Australia.
It's the same when they tell us renewables won't work, or that the plastic is our fault (I own neither a plastic farm nor a plastic mine), or that we should just choose not to buy the drugs they offer us as copium.
It's the same when they tell us there's no alternative to prison, or the 40 hour week, or high house prices, or salty sugary chemical food, or PFAS, or the internet, or mass surveillance.
It's all arbitrary, it's all a choice, it's all harmful to our health, our psychology and our democracy - but yeah it's probably all the fault of the lying migrants who made up the stories because turkey paid them, or the vicious violent golden dawn this who should be jailed.
So the issue is boring, it's just like global warming - we've said everything there is to be said, we all know about it, we all knew thirty years ago, it's BORING | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
I'm sorry, but no, when you say invasion to refer to this, I won't ignore the dog whistle and assume you mean invasion in that good faith, metaphorical way. That is not THE dictionary definition, it's an accepted use.
Asylum seeking is not illegal immigration. You need to process the people at the border. And no, I will absolutely not consider killing people crossing the border, even if it is illegally. That's bleak and inhumane. Do you think people immigrate on a whim? Most immigrants would rather not be in this position either.
Border guards carry guns because they need to protect the borders from armies or to APPREHEND people, not to kill them. Or is due process and justice not something we care about all of a sudden, because these people are not from the same country as us? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-18-06 |
How does that solve anything? People are already willing to risk their lives to get into rich countries. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-18-06 |
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Russia has passed away?? Fuck yesss | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
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Even russia as well lmaaao | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
China is literally supporting the rebels after the junta didn't do anything to stop the scammers operating in Myanmar from targeting and kidnapping Chinese people. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
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I’m being sarcastic. About the ppl who blame Israel but see this and don’t care. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
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He stated he isn't lol | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Lotta liars out there nowadays | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Al Jazeera has been variously banned in Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Sudan, Yemen, UAE, Egypt, Algeria, India, Bahrain, iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Libya, and probably some I've missed. The West is sleep walking. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Mmm they might have but they didn't tell them to give them billions of dollars and do propaganda on Al Jazeera full throttle. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Sounds like we need more reporters in the world. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
I never said they did I only said they requested them to be hosted in Qatar so facilitate easier communication between them and the US government | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Here are some links to the videos mentioned in the article.
[An elderly woman in Gaza has accused Hamas of stealing aid which was meant for refugees forced to leave their homes during Israel's offensive. In an interview this week, the unnamed woman told Al-Jazeera: "All the aid goes [to the tunnels] underground." The reporter responds "It seems that the situation is unclear" ](https://youtu.be/NBjvYkNzuAA?si=cxe6gWQkntxoPkmz)
[An Al-Jazeera TV reporter is interviewing a Palestinian man in a hospital in the Gaza Strip. When the reporter hears the man criticizing "the resistance" - a Palestinian euphemism for terror and the terror organizations - he moves away from the man, who tries to follow him to continue the interview. Palestinian man: "Regarding the resistance hiding among the people - why is it hiding among the people? Let it go hide in Hell."](https://youtu.be/PnCuYAGX-Mk?si=JE7Y1WYQkPwVQG7P)
I'm sure there's a longer video for the second clip but I can't find it at the moment. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
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Maybe hamas ARE the civilians!? There are many kids, and regular looking people in the videos from Oct 7th side by side with armed guys. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
And not one civilian lifting a finger to stop it from happening. But when the retaliatory strikes happen they’ll be the first ones crying the blues about it. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
What exactly is the point of your comment? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Its both a common and smart tactic, however dubious as long as your enemy cares about civilian life. Israel doesn't care and neither did Russia | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
I’m told they would be justified in murdering all of Hamas’ members’ children in their sleep as part of an oppressed people’s justified resistance. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Sticks and stones will break their bones. Cave in a head or two also. A brick dropped from 10 feet high landing on someone’s cranium works wonders at nullifying a problem. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Vote???? Don’t naked me laugh. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Are there any military areas? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
“Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.”
[Hamas Charter](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp), Article Eight
Hamas psychopaths and reality are so far detached that when Hamas nuts get civilians killed, they gaslight themselves into thinking the dead civilians should thankful. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Not colonizing Palestinian land would be a good start. It’s foolish to think you can just waltz in and steal someone’s property and not expect some type of retaliation. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
To have my entire family butchered as a result? Pass. I’m taking my kids and getting the fuck of there if at all possible | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
It's common in urban warfare yes; the difference is Ukrainians didn't start the war and adjusted their strategy as the war progressed. On the other hand, Hamas uses this tactic as a primary strategy and will continue to do so. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
They kinda did when they rescued those hostages the other day..
Then Hamas started blasting RPGs into residential buildings and cried that Israel killed over 200 people. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
I'm not arguing against that. In fact at the start Ukraine openly called for and showed their civilians attacking the Russian army which justified or not made them valid targets for the Russians to attack. You can't throw a molotov at a soldier and then scream civilian when they shoot back etc. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
People have to be reminded, because they keep acting like Israel is target civilians. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
The survivors of two million people are packed into an area smaller than Manhattan.
Where are the non-civilian parts of that? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Neat idea. Where? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
That's largely due to Hamas, though. They don't allow birth control and women under Hamas rule are encouraged to have babies in order to breed more soldiers to join their holy war.
In 2009, in Gaza the average woman had 8 kids. To put it in perspective, in 2024 the world's current highest is the country of Niger at 6.6 births per woman.
Oh and that whole waging an unending and unceasing holy war and using their population as shields, thing. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
One side has "obliterate the State of Israel and kill Jews" in its mission statement. One side marched into Israel in a surprise attack and did unspeakable things to civilians. When Hamas has flat out said "we are not going to stop, ever", they put Israel in a position of needing to eliminate Hamas by any means necessary. And if Hamas is more than happy to put civilians in harm's way, then we should hang the responsibility for those civilians dying on Hamas.
> what matters is finding a way forward where people stop killing each other
Hamas can surrender and face the consequences of their actions any time. This isn't like a salary negotiation where both sides have legitimate interests and a happy medium needs to be found. Hamas has placed themselves in a position where they *must* be held accountable, otherwise Israel opens itself to attack again. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Show you what? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
That's the thing about religion. You can just redefine those words like "innocent" and "true martyrdom" and all of a sudden your side is sanctioned by god. Awfully convenient isn't it? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Seems like there's some other news showing [Israel having it's war cabinet dismantled allowing Netanyahu to have more direct say over the war](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/17/middleeast/netanyahu-disbands-israeli-war-cabinet-intl/index.html)
Also how [Israel has a detailed plan on making Gaza uninhabitable for any Palestinians](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De--3jhp7uA)
And people are still talking about how [the IDF killed hundreds of Civillians to rescue the hostages last week](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/un-experts-condemn-outrageous-disregard-palestinian-civilians-during-israels)
This sort of post seems like counter-news to push the other stuff they don't like out of social media's most recent results for keywords related to Gaza and Israel | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
No. It's not. Stop basing it on the 1980's charter from before they even became a political party. [They have a new charter.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter) Stop being a useful idiot for the IDF and Israeli government's fascist regime. Even if you are stupid enough to believe that, almost none of the living people in Gaza today were even alive yet when that Charter was made. Less than 20% of the living population even was eligible to vote in the 2006 election, let alone actually voted for Hamas.
Just say you don't think Palestinians are humans and save us all some time. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
> THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT REFORMED.
Rhetoric like this isn't an argument for "government reform":
>zionism aka colonialism under a different name. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
No, don't capitulate to fascist frameworks. Hamas updated their charter in 2017. That's from the 80's, before they were even a full political party. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
OK Mr know it all, I dont have time for a lengthy debate let's do a one question quiz - Who is Israels security minister and where did he visit to purposely inflame tensions, and what did he do with a handgun? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
> There are no rules for dedicated combats zones.
Yes, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying. Are you good dude, did you get your full 8 hours of sleep? The rules for "designated combat areas" or whatever term you invented don't exist, what exists though is a list that excludes specific areas from combat.
I genuinely hope you're either young or just exhausted or something. The lack of comprehension skills is genuinely concerning. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
I have an important question for you. Why do the Palestinians have to leave their homeland for Egypt and who is making them do that?
As a follow-up, if they ever did all leave, do you genuinely believe they'd be granted the right to return? Israel already displaces and bulldozes the homes of those pushed into diaspora. They already deny the right to return. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Actually 33% militant casualties is a very high number compared to just about any other urban conflict in modern history, typically the number is closer to 10%. 37,000 casualties in a zone as dense as Gaza actually indicates the opposite of carpet bombing, if you compare the results to what the US did to Tokyo in WW2 for example, what the Germans did to Coventry, or what the Allies did to Dresden in a matter of hours.
Yes the US said around 37,000 Palestinians have died in Gaza, but they also clarified that they were going with Hamas numbers. They should know better than to take a proscribed terror group's numbers at face value without skepticism, when they know how important it is to the public's general perception. Those numbers also don't indicate how many civilians died due to errant Hamas rocket fire, executions of suspected Israel collaborators, and Hamas gunfire directed in the general direction of IDF troops.
Edit: I also forgot to mention that satellite photos make the destruction look even worse than it actually is, due to uncleared dust and debris. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
The government in Gaza is Hamas. I don’t know what you’re trying to say, are you referring to another Palestinian government like the PA in the West Bank? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
The Hamas Gaza health ministry has been shown to be lying multiple times in verified fashion. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
The number of how much your side has lost is almost irrelevent, if any thing, i would argue because of not dealing with hamas sooner israel got oct.7 in first place and all of that is because of israeli reloctence to respond to something like rocket fire for over a decade. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
And do you sincerely think that Israel's actions are not going to create more terrorists and create more support for Hamas?
Morally, the fact that Hamas is evil. And I want to be clear that they are. Does not justify " Israel doing whatever it wants without regard to collateral damage".
Pragmatically, heavy-Handed military responses to terrorists that are not extremely precise generally, at significant cost. See the last 20 years of the US " global war on terror" .
Us credibility is diminished, the region is objectively less stable and safe, and has led to the rise of even more extreme jihadis. A cynical person could say the 9/11 attacks achieved precisely what they aimed to, because the US played into their hand.
Do you think this military campaign is going to end and things will be stable in the region, or do you think this is setting the stage for decades more pointless violence? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
There are no stipulations of civilians populations to invoke non defended status, you could declare a natural landmark as non defended. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
And yet, my country went from 100% Christian to roughly 50-60% in about 150 years. My generation is already much less religious than my grandparents’.
Things change. People change. The question I’m asking is if, and how, we can speed that process up a bit. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Civilians were slave labor with a rifle aimed at their kin folk if they bitched or rebelled against doing the work. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Why do you only ask about Hamas violating ceasefires when Israel has broken more ceasefires and broken them more violently? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
The point was inhabited is a pretty lose definition and that there is nothing in the Geneva convention about declaration of “combat”
or “war zone” nor “civilian zones”. Which all goes back to how ridiculous it is to try and say Hamas attacks from “civilian areas”.
Gaza is 141 square miles, how many areas do you think exist in Gaza that aren’t near an area with civilians living? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
It's wild how much people who 'don't support Hamas' will go out of their way to ignore or downplay their role in this conflict.
Those guards, snipers and fences exist BECAUSE of Hamas.
Btw how come you ignore that Egypt has the exact same scenario going on? In fact their border is even more fortified than the Israeli one and they have shot and killed Gazans as well.
Egypt also literally destroyed every last building on their side of Rafah and people like you who 'support Palestinians' NEVER mention this. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
IDF is trying to beat back 'evil' by being 'evil'. It's like the pot calling the giant smouldering cauldron of doom 'black'. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
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Who knows. They’ve been pretty much vehemently against ending it despite international pressure, but I don’t think BN wants to end it. Politically it’s hurting them and the Israeli/Jewish community around the world and I think I’ve read in recent news that some cabinet members were open to ending talks while others were absolutely not so perhaps this caused some infighting and instability in the cabinet. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
He basically only wants to hear from people who want to keep him in power, which pretty much means business as usual for the moment. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Such a force for democracy | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
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Context: the war cabinet consisted solely of Netanyahu, defense minister Yoav Gallant, and ministers/former chief of staffs Benny Gantz and Gadi Eisenkot, who both quit the government last week.
This was parallel to the normal security cabinet, which includes representatives from everyone in the government and lately seems to exist solely in order to badmouth the IDF and push the blame for October 7th off of themselves.
With 2 of the 4 war cabinet ministers resigning, there was no point in keeping the war cabinet separate- especially after Ben Gvir started demanding that he replace them. So the decision was to dissolve it to avoid that. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
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It’s amazing that someone could be so stupid. He’s going to have a while to consider his decisions. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
Lots and lots and lots of time….. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-17-06 |
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