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User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're surprised that more money might mean more work and responsibility in your chosen field?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " 57696C6C69616D (57696C6C69616D): "Also a lot of large cap companies have you sign a non disclosure agreement for pay and other things. This is for all positions with the company. If you break the agreement you could face issues. " algag (algag): "I don't think it's legal to have wage nondisclosure agreements." Amairch (Amairch): "I think it depends on the wording. The NLRA says you can't prevent employees from discussing working conditions and organizing for better conditions, but it only applies to 'non-management' employees. But if you're earning a complicated bonus structure that could reveal a competitive advantage about your finances, they might be able to tell you not to talk about it to external people. However, people who've signed such things usually know they've signed one so it's not like a middle manager has to worry about getting sued when moving on to their next job. The whole point of that phrase is to give you an easy out. Lots of people don't like saying "It's none of your business" or "I don't feel comfortable sharing that" when interviewers ask about their current salary. So this wording is a more non-confrontational way to say the same thing."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away\n\nYeah.. that is pretty much common sense." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yupppp. I was stupid and grossly overestimated my worth to current place. " redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "It's not just about your worth. You basically told them you want to leave unless they pay you more. As an employer, I would do the same thing. Haven't had it happen because I think my directs know how I think about it. I will support you if you want to leave. If you want a raise, ask. Don't bring me a job offer and tell me you're leaving if I don't match. That tells me you want to leave, so why would I pay you more to stay?" PrancingPeach (PrancingPeach): "I strongly encourage you to have a more open mind about this. All it actually tells you is that this employee wants more money.\n\nYou're going to unnecessarily lose your most talented employees if you stick too rigidly to this viewpoint because they are going to get headhunted. Their loyalty to you does not extend to turning down huge raises that you refuse to give them."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "> if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away.\n\nThat is how it works, otherwise the new offer provides no leverage." AcrolloPeed (AcrolloPeed): "Exactly. That's how the game works, OP. If you're going to talk about a new job to strongarm your employer into giving you more money, you have to anticipate that they'll thank you for your service and let you move on and up. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away\n\nYeah.. that is pretty much common sense." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yupppp. I was stupid and grossly overestimated my worth to current place. " w1seguy (w1seguy): "Honestly, thank you for posting your experience. People will learn from this and it takes a brave person to try to leverage a raise, realize it backfired and then share your experience to thousands of online personal financiers. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." Fap-0-matic (Fap-0-matic): "Also, it tells your current employer you are welling to leave. There was an HBR article about this recently that said about 80-90% of employees who try to leverage a raise like this still leave the company.\n\nHR might match the offer, but only to keep the position full until they figure out a better solution."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away\n\nYeah.. that is pretty much common sense." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yupppp. I was stupid and grossly overestimated my worth to current place. " Amairch (Amairch): "I think the moral is just don't bring up an offer you're not willing to actually take. First rule of negotiation is always be willing to walk away. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "This. Negotiation 101. I got too caught up in the prospect of getting more money, that I failed to be patient and wait until something I actually wanted came up. " hotwingbias (hotwingbias): "You're really beating yourself up over this, and honestly you do probably deserve some of the beating. But take heart, this could be a very good opportunity for you. I am quitting my very easy, chill job on Monday. I have a great boss. I really believe in the work we're doing (it's a non-profit). He gives me all the time off I ask for. I'm going to a more stressful job that pays almost 50% more money. I won't get a lot of time off, my commute goes from 20 minutes to 45+ minutes one way, and I do not know for sure if I'll like it. It is absolutely the right thing for me to do for my career though, but that doesn't make it less scary. \n\nGive it a chance. What's done is done. Try to go into this new gig with a good attitude and see where it takes you. Good luck. \n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " 57696C6C69616D (57696C6C69616D): "Also a lot of large cap companies have you sign a non disclosure agreement for pay and other things. This is for all positions with the company. If you break the agreement you could face issues. " algag (algag): "I don't think it's legal to have wage nondisclosure agreements." 57696C6C69616D (57696C6C69616D): "They don't apply when discussing with internal employees, but NDAs cover discussions with external people/contractors/companies.\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." yes_its_him (yes_its_him): "From what I've seen, I think you're mischaracterizing how "leverage" is used here. It's more typically the case that it's used to help someone know what they are worth in the market. \n\nAdvice here is more typically to find a new job to get a raise, or to at least get a new offer as a guide to asking for a raise. It's rare to see advice here say to get an offer, then go to your current job and say you have another offer, as OP did. It's far more common to see the opposite advice, in my experience, which is: don't mention other offers. " Self: "If used correctly... yes, you are correct. But in fairness, anytime a job topic comes up here someone invariably brings up the leverage thing as a way of getting a raise at their current job. Infact, OP posting this topic kinda shows they read and took that advice.\n\nReally I'm just telling people to be cautious and understand what you're doing. If it were just as simple as walking into your bosses office and telling him you have another job offer, and expecting him to throw you a blank check, you'll be sadly disappointed and I wish it wasn't such a "go to" reply to employment threads." User (wheezyFpuppy): "If you sort this sub by top all time - literally the third post is someone explaining how they went from 58k to 85k.... by getting another job offer - you're right that it totally comes up here ALOT. " SugarPixel (SugarPixel): "Those posts are pure wish fulfilment fodder. Sure, it happens, but places are less likely to counter you these days, especially since this tactic became a trend of sorts." YesNoMaybe (YesNoMaybe): "Fine if they don't counter, but I personally did it to get a 40% raise at the company I was with. \n\nI was fully prepared to leave but let the original company know I enjoyed working there and would like to continue but couldn't turn down that kind of money. \n\nThis happens CONSTANTLY in the work force. It absolutely is not a fantasy. \n\nTo top it off. A few months later I was offered a dream job making almost twice stay i was originally making (pre raise).\n\nIn both cases, i wasn't shopping, just really lucky (and admittedly fairly highly skilled in my trade)."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" LuckyHedgehog (LuckyHedgehog): "Not everyone has 10 yeasts experience. A lot of young people want to take time off because they don't have a family or mortgages yet, and have the energy and passion to pursue something that may not pan out monetarily. \n\nSo if you have 2 years experience and took a year off your next employer may wonder if you just couldn't cut it at your first job and couldn't get hired for a year"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I think this comes down to mindset, and you're beating yourself up unnecessarily. You gotta reframe all of this in a positive way. \n\nFirst, you were unhappy with your current job, so you did what any reasonable person would do and found another. Plus it sounds like your old job would have been outsourced anyway. Looking good so far.\n\nSecond, you know what your old job is about, but you only have a vague impression of the new job. You can assume that it will be more stress, etc. but you don't KNOW that. Stop assuming you have all the answers and being negative/pessimistic about your outlook. Go into it with the mindset of 'this could be great or it could be horrible, either way I'm pushing myself, moving forward not standing still'\n\nThird your assumption that you 'screwed yourself'. As in the last point, you don't KNOW that. You made the best decision possible with the facts that you had at the time. Repeat that to yourself over and over. It's purely self-destructive to second guess decisions you've already made.\n\nFourth, your path from here just got a lot brighter. I've been the recipient of a very large raise before and you will not believe how much extra money you'll have. Save as much as you can so if you do HATE the job, you can quit, take some time off, travel, etc and then have enough to tide you over until you find something that suits you better. Personally, I would say that takes priority over paying extra towards student loans or 401k. Your happiness is far more valuable than money, use money to establish a career that pleases you, and then worry about the future. (I'm sure many here will vehemently disagree with this, but I don't care. Money is just money, personal finance isn't everything.)"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well you got this new job so you can probably get another. If not now, at least in a year or 2. Is there any way you can push out your last day long enough to get the bonus?" User (wheezyFpuppy): "Nah I have a friend in accounting who saw I got taken off the bonus list :(" Self: "Is the bonus something given out regularly or according to specific criteria? If so, they probably have to pay it to you. For example, my employer bonuses based on the fiscal year but it doesn't get paid out until a couple months after. If you leave after the end of the fiscal year then you get the bonus even if you weren't employed at the point they actually paid them out. \n\nAnyway, it all depends on how aggressive you're willing to get with your current employer. I'm assuming you'll want to use them as a reference in the future, so maybe it's not worth fighting them over this. I'm sorry it worked out this way for you."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "This is a tactic you only use if you are willing to move on. They might call your bluff. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "This happened to me. I was at my job for 5 years when I got a job offer. I went to my boss and told him that I got another offer, expecting that he would try to match that offer in order to get me to stay. He shook my hand and said good luck. \n\n2 weeks into my new job and I hated it. My new boss was an idiot and I knew I wouldn't last there. I called my old boss and asked him if he found my replacement yet, he said no, and now I've been back at my old job for 3 years.\n\nUnfortunately that whole situation left me feeling defeated, and I've been too scared to find another job. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" MikeGolfsPoorly (MikeGolfsPoorly): "Hell, tell them that you took off 6-12 months to act as an in-home care provider for an elderly relative, and the gap is because you only wanted to have relevant employment listed on your resume." ForeverInaDaze (ForeverInaDaze): "Can.. can I use this? I left my job because they relocated far enough that a commute wasn't in the cards. I have a job now, but I went six months interviewing pretty much the whole time and eventually started getting the "so why so long without employment"\n\nHonest answer was I was only looking in the city I lived in because I loved it and had also signed a lease so anything out of a commutable distance was out of the cards.\n\nI'm also a pretty bad liar so I'd hate to have to explain later in detail when they ask me how that elderly relative is." Swindel92 (Swindel92): "It's absolutely none of their business how this imagined relative is." ForeverInaDaze (ForeverInaDaze): "I don't think you understand. If I got the job, and they asked about the relative...\n\n\n...then again you're right. It's not like I was lying about if I was fired or whatever. As long as I tell them the truth about my employment and what not, then I should be good." Emerald_Flame (Emerald_Flame): "If you got the job and they asked how how he is "Oh grandpa Tony? We were finally able to get him moved into an assisted living home and he seems to like it". " ForeverInaDaze (ForeverInaDaze): "I guess. I mean my family is all 7+ hours away and my grandma did fall last year."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I say u lucked out. If they figured they can get someone to do the job at half the cost you would've been laid off sooner or later. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" isobee (isobee): "I've had a dozen or so candid convos with HR reps as part of a work project. For better or for worse, unexplained workforce gaps was highlighted a one of the biggest red flags.\n\nProbably not as big an issue with a 10 year work history, but that's not everyone's situation"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "No adventure is without uncertainty. Enjoy the next leg of your journey!"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Using a new job as leverage is still a good idea, I think the mistake you made is that you were sort-of bluffing and you were taken to task. I think if anyone is going to use a job offer to leverage a wage there are two important factors to consider. Are you easily replaceable and do you actually want the new job? If the answers are yes and no respectively, then using the new job as leverage is a risky move that can end with you eating your shoe as OP found out. \n\nSorry you went bust on this gamble OP. Best of luck at your new gig. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Nah, don't worry about it. I did the same thing and it led to a great opportunity and expands your network. Get out there and kick some ass." LeEpicMeme420 (LeEpicMeme420): "Lots of people did the same thing and it led to a life of misery and ultimately unemployment. OP should worry about it, and possibly continue looking at other opportunities immediately if this job is not what they will be happy with. While you are still with this employer, suck up to them big time to create a reference you can use for the future in case you need to bail on the new place right away."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " Woodshadow (Woodshadow): "I'm starting to worry that my constant changing of jobs isn't working for me. Longest I have been at one is 3 years. Right now I have been at my current job for 6 months and last job at 16 months. No one has asked about it but I am having trouble just getting interviews" Amairch (Amairch): "Yeah, patterns of job-hopping are bad. If you're leaving too quickly people are going to think you're being forced out or having conflicts with people. You don't need to stay at every job for 10 years but if you're not showing stability or growth (are you getting new experience each time or mostly lateral moves?) then people are going to wonder. And honestly, the companies that end up calling you in will be the ones who you don't want to work for, so it'll create a vicious cycle of leaving a crappy job and getting stuck in another crappy job."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" CerwinVegas55 (CerwinVegas55): "I'm bored, stressed, underpaid, overworked and constantly going away on business but the time off and the benefits are out of this world. If I typed them out for you, you would be flabbergasted. I have applied and interviewed for other jobs with 30% more pay, but I like only working 175 days a year. My time off is worth a lot more to me than what I make an hour. " salgat (salgat): "I know guys who do the 4 on 4 off (effectively only working half the year, but on those days working all damn day) and I even tried it for a month. I dunno how you handle it but sacrificing half my life is so much worse than just a part of each day for work. Finding a nice low stress 9-5 gave me much more free time and happiness in the end."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " BeforeYouLeave (BeforeYouLeave): "Boy I wish they were true. The gap is hard to explain. I don't think many employers want to hear that you've spent last six months traveling or relaxing. The want to hear that you were working. \n\nI've realized that future employers don't want to hear the truth. Even if they know that you are lying. It's a game and they really want to know if you can play your part. \n\nI know I'm being cynical. Yeah yeah. \n\nSo many clowns,not enough circuses. " TorqueBuilder (TorqueBuilder): "I don't doubt there are companies with this mindset as much as I doubt I'd want to work for them. " codemonkey010 (codemonkey010): "That mindset is not really indicative of the work environment. It just reflects poorly on who is in charge of hiring. In certain fields it would make sense as well. For example in IT things have been progressing really fast and even skipping 1 year could mean you are behind on the know." noodlebucket (noodlebucket): "Nah, on your time off, just maintain personal projects using modern technologies relevant to your skillet on GitHub." TorqueBuilder (TorqueBuilder): "Exactly right. Extended time off is perfectly acceptable with the caveat you stay current with or improve your skills during that time."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " UF8FF (UF8FF): "Customer Service is boring and stressful. You get a lot of angry people (stressful) but all their issues are more or less bullshit (boring). " crystaljae (crystaljae): "I've been in customer service almost my whole like and do not find it boring. Like literally everyday you think you've heard it all and then another crazy comes in and you realize you have not heard it all. " quiette837 (quiette837): "more "mind-numbing". sure there's new crazies every day, but you're never doing anything that takes more than an eighth-grade education. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." CrunkJip (CrunkJip): "I agree with what you wrote, completely, but wanted to call out one sentence in particular because it bears directly on OP's experience: \n\n> This is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nIf you are in this position -- and OP definitely was -- you do not have any leverage. You are replaceable.\n\nHow do we know OP was in this position? \n\n> I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. \n\nOP: There is good news. You may have lost this job regardless, and without a backup job. I think you made the right move."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "At least you have a new job and a little more money." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yeah, but totally dreading it" itsthebrod (itsthebrod): "Then start looking again, using your higher pay as your new starting point for salary negotiations." redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "That's not really how it works.\n\nEdit: I should have specified you can parlay higher pay jobs into higher pay jobs, but not a few weeks or months into one. Most HR departments and hiring managers will just put that resume in the trash." Amairch (Amairch): "Well if it's really a few weeks and you have an otherwise stable job history and are a strong candidate, sometimes you can play it off as a one-time mistake. "I left my company for what I thought would be a b better job but it wasn't. So now I'm trying to make sure I really focus and find the right fit this time." They might be a little wary but if you're otherwise attractive they might overlook it."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "As a manager at various levels over the years IMHO anytime an employee makes a leveraged play for a raise I have taken that as either a sign that I need to start looking for a replacement for this employee (if for some reason he/she is harder to replace) or a flat pass.\n\nMost all times that I have seen, such a leveraged ploy comes because the employee is either in the state listed above (burnt out, bored, stressed, or just plain disgruntled) or because the employee has little to no actionable performance/abilities in their current role to use as talking points for such a raise. \n\nAs an aside, it is pretty amazing how many times the person appears to be shocked that there was no counter offer waiting on a leveraged pitch like this -- it is almost like they do not realize that you are giving an ultimatum and that by its very nature one of the two options for the employer is "no".\n\nTLDR: If you are looking for a 15%,20% or even higher raise and can't point to your current work successes or value but instead need to leverage another offer -- good luck to you.\n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I think in this situation you should just ask for a raise without mentioning being interested in another job. Tell them why you think you should be paid more and leave it at that. \n\nThen if they don't give you a raise it would be that much more satisfying leaving with them thinking it was because they didn't give you more money." erikb85 (erikb85): "Right, this is how you start. Talk about the raise first and if you have a serious offer mention it if the discussion doesn't progress." Amairch (Amairch): " I think the way the offer was mentioned is important too. You should make it sound like they contacted you, not that you were actively looking. And that you really love your current company but it's hard not to be influenced by so much more money. Basically make it seem like they just came up and offered you more money but this company is so great that you'd rather stay here even with a smaller increase. But again, companies who wait for you to present an offer rather than just negotiating with you directly when you ask for a raise are not really cultivating loyalty in their employees and you probably have to leave eventually."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "It really seems like a no brainer.\n\nHard lesson to learn, but hopefully it helps you going forward..."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." Cornell_Westside (Cornell_Westside): "Well even if you're just average, it takes way more time and money to train someone new for your job than keeping you. Usually it's worth it to just give someone a raise. And if they don't like you or consider you a flight risk, they start looking for replacements in advance. Then again, I'm looking at this from a skilled/educated position. There are plenty of engineers/lawyers, but they don't grow on trees either." Self: "Well that was part of my point. If you're highly skilled and are literally walking out the door with knowledge they just can't get a new person up to speed on in time... yeah.\n\nBut those are the minority. In most office jobs, there's another engineer or accountant or whatever who can do what you do. And mostly, there's always another store assistant, or mailman, or whatever that they can place in there.\n\nIf you're not in the top tier, it's a huge risk. You need to be able to know you ARE in that position and be realistic in assessing your value." Cornell_Westside (Cornell_Westside): "Right, but what I'm saying is almost any skilled position takes a lot more hiring and training time than you think to get up to a current employee's efficiency. If you're an engineer, you don't have to be a great one to have lots of valuable in-company experience. You know how their database system works, you know how they do purchasing, you know who to contact for typical issues, and you don't have to bother other employees for this type of information. And to hire someone new you often have to pay market rate, which is probably more than what the current employee is making if they're disgruntled. I think you are underestimating how quickly people can come up to speed. Most studies show it takes a few months to a year. That time costs money." Self: "I hear you. I'm just saying, not all managers think like you.\n\nI'll give you an example. The company I work for loves to outsource as much as it can. Similar to OP's case. Personally I prefer talent to be on-site, especially if they are good. At least once a year rumours fly around about cut back in engineering. It makes everyone feel uncomfortable. Not a good way to run things for staff moral, but these managers think it keeps people on their toes. \n\nIt prevents people from really asking or pushing for raises/promotions because they know the company would jump at the chance to move the position abroad and save money.\n\nNow, in my position, I hate it. I've had some seriously talented people leave or be cut and given cheaper/less experienced staff I have to work with abroad. It's terrible. As you said, those who left, left with a lot of knowledge and experience and we're constantly scrambling to get off shore resources up to speed and a lot of them are very unmotivated and I can't tell if they don't want to or just can't produce at the same level.\n\nProblem is... the very managers above me, who ultimately decide on the money, make all the decisions. They work on the motto that engineers are just cogs in a wheel and we are in a buisness and location where the competition is fierce for engineering staff. We can find new ones easily.\n\nHonestly, I think what you personally are doing is great. You value good workers and in a fair world, every manager would. But it's not realistic to say the majority or managers do, especially when they themselves are being pushed to cut expenditure constantly by owners/CEOs/shareholders.\n\nThat's why I say it's not good to tell everyone this is a good idea. Know you're own worth to your own manager is probably a better way of putting it. If I was making the calls, I'd retain more of our talented guys, just as you say because I see their value. The management above does not. Therefore if one of my engineers were to approach management, they surely have to have assessed the direction of the company and understand management is unlikely to match their offer... however, if you were their boss, then they can appraise the situation differently. And that's why it's important to evaluate and not just tell everyone in any situation they should feel they are worth so much."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " notgoingtofuckthisup (notgoingtofuckthisup): "Saying your salary information is confidential is a lie, unless you were coming from a company not covered under the NLRA." Amairch (Amairch): "No it's not. I highly expect if you walked around your company asking coworkers what they made someone would tell you to knock it off. You're not saying that your company would sue you for revealing your salary or that they made you sign something saying you wouldn't reveal it, just that they consider it confidential. " notgoingtofuckthisup (notgoingtofuckthisup): "Think it through again though. You aren't the current employer, and don't have a right to speak on their behalf. Since your current employer has not, and will not say that salary information is confidential, you are making a false statement about them to the prospective employer.\n\nSo I'd say if a lie is in the works, I'd go for the lie of saying I was making more than I did, which would be a lot harder to prove then making an obvious false statement that doesn't even serve to benefit me. The prospective employer will notice and take into consideration that if you'll make false statements with no benefit, you will likely do worse for benefit. \n\nThe best way would just be openly honest about what you were at, where you want to be, and why you believe you should be there, and you will save yourself so much time by eventually finding a position at a nice company. If that's what you want of course. I can see benefits to not wanting to work at a nice company. Sometimes a company rife with brutal conflict can condition and strengthen you in ways that a cushy atmosphere does not."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" TheStoryOfMankind (TheStoryOfMankind): "Tech is pretty notorious for having a really short tenure at jobs. You actually hurt your career by staying in a job too long here. It brings up questions about how easily you adapt to new technologies and keep informed about your field if you look like you were comfortably sitting in one position for 5+ years." Toast_Sapper (Toast_Sapper): "This.\n\nThis is what tech industry is like and long tenures definitely raise more questions in interviews than hopping jobs every few years." gl00pp (gl00pp): "IT Support Technician reporting in. Been 4 years at same place. Should I hop?" randiesel (randiesel): "You should always hop if you're not getting 20%+ raises yearly or learning skills/tech." beepbloopbloop (beepbloopbloop): "> 20%+ raises yearly\n\nlolwut\n\nIf you start a $60k, you're expecting to be making over $300k in 10 years? " randiesel (randiesel): "? No. I expect you'll learn at least one new skill or tech over the course of a decade."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." hadtoupvotethat (hadtoupvotethat): "> This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified.\n\nIt usually isn't verified, but it most certainly can be.\n\nLast time I tried to argue against lying to employers I got downvoted to hell, so I won't bother with that again, but the above is simply a fact worth keeping in mind, regardless of your opinion on the issue."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." Cainga (Cainga): "I got my first real job through a head hunter agency direct hire. Years later I was looking for another job and the same head hunter agency and rep found me another job. I. had to prove my salary at the first job they got me with a pay stub as weird as it sounds. It was just a policy. " SNOGLO (SNOGLO): "Can someone explain a head hunter agency? I always hear that term, but I want someone who has direct experience to tell me who they are, what they do, and what they stand to gain? " hydrocyanide (hydrocyanide): "They are brokers for human capital and they get paid to match workers with employers. It's pretty straightforward."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I had to take one of my employees trucks away and they told me they'd be gone in 2 weeks because without the truck they didn't make enough to justify staying. I accepted his resignation and he told me he only threatened because he wanted to keep the truck. I told him that was one possible outcome - but did force his resignation at that point. He left for another company, who shipped him out to a far away job site where he fell and hurt himself and ended up on disability where he can't claim unemployment because he resigned instead of was fired. (He did weigh 450 lbs...)"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "It's kind of a catch 22 though, right? \n\nHow is it possible to be 100% willing to stay in your job for more pay, and simultaneously 100% willing to take the new job if getting a raise doesn't work out? \n\nWith decisions like this, there is always a degree of risk and uncertainty. I don't have any recommendations, just be aware that there are usually no clear answers. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The first rule of negotiation is you must be perfectly happy with Plan B. Otherwise you're screwed before you begin."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" MikeGolfsPoorly (MikeGolfsPoorly): "Hell, tell them that you took off 6-12 months to act as an in-home care provider for an elderly relative, and the gap is because you only wanted to have relevant employment listed on your resume." ForeverInaDaze (ForeverInaDaze): "Can.. can I use this? I left my job because they relocated far enough that a commute wasn't in the cards. I have a job now, but I went six months interviewing pretty much the whole time and eventually started getting the "so why so long without employment"\n\nHonest answer was I was only looking in the city I lived in because I loved it and had also signed a lease so anything out of a commutable distance was out of the cards.\n\nI'm also a pretty bad liar so I'd hate to have to explain later in detail when they ask me how that elderly relative is." Goodasgold444 (Goodasgold444): "but why don't you tell them the honest answer?" ForeverInaDaze (ForeverInaDaze): "Because the honest answer isn't a legitimate excuse." lukeyj_gtfc (lukeyj_gtfc): "Sure it is. You're not a slave. You live in an area. This is your home. Why should you be forced to move away?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." GoneCountry87 (GoneCountry87): "A little off subject, but what would you consider a good explanation? \n\nI'm honestly concerned, I was injured on the job, fired for it (all currently being handled legally) but after back surgery they said 6 months. Technically that's 6 months unemployed. Either way I explain this to my next employer, they are either going to see 6 months unemployed or that I sued my last employer for being a shithead.\n\nI'm 29 and this shit is keeping me up at night thinking about it."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "> I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. \n\nDoesn't sound like it backfired to me. You were in line to get fired anyway and its best to have a new job before that happens."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." 4Sken (4Sken): ">Your loyalty\n\nThis makes me kind of pissed just thinking about it. You're supposed to be loyal to them, but they'll fire you and replace you today with literally anyone if you overstep some boundary. \n\nShitty managers think they're doing you a favour hiring you. If your employee isn't 100% earning what you're giving him, you're a shitty manager. If he is, you're not doing him any favours.\n" IThoughtSo98 (IThoughtSo98): "I disagree with this. If your employer told you they were interviewing people to potentially replace you and wanted you to offer certain improvements in your performance to convince them to keep you, it would be completely reasonable (and smart!) for you to take that as a sign they weren't committed to you and to go find another job even if they said they wanted you to stay. \n\nGoing to your employer and telling them that you've been interviewing for other jobs and want them to offer you more money to get you to stay is just the flip side of that. Asking for a raise because you've been performing at a higher level or because you're making less than industry standard or whatever else is fine. And if you go get yourself a better offer before bringing it up, that's cool too. But if you tell your employer you've been actively looking for another job, I don't blame them for thinking that you're too risky to invest more in."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" CerwinVegas55 (CerwinVegas55): "I'm bored, stressed, underpaid, overworked and constantly going away on business but the time off and the benefits are out of this world. If I typed them out for you, you would be flabbergasted. I have applied and interviewed for other jobs with 30% more pay, but I like only working 175 days a year. My time off is worth a lot more to me than what I make an hour. " ShinyTile (ShinyTile): "In that case, it sounds like you've got an almost reverse opportunity cost thing going on. Sounds good to me! " CerwinVegas55 (CerwinVegas55): "It sounds good to a lot of people I talk to. But the job feels like torture. I always joke to the new guys that they don't pay you to work there, they pay you to stay. And it's true. I have looked around and I choose to stay. It's just extremely taxing. I could have nicer cars and a bigger house and probably have a lake cottage and a boat and all the toys I want, but then I'd never have time to enjoy them. I love this sub and almost all of it's advice, but I am of the opinion that if you can live comfortably and can provide for your family and have fun doing it, then you might not need or even want a raise/promotion. Mo money mo problems. " eazolan (eazolan): ">I could have nicer cars and a bigger house and probably have a lake cottage and a boat and all the toys I want, but then I'd never have time to enjoy them.\n\nYou have 50% of the year off. How could you NOT have time to enjoy them?" SethB98 (SethB98): "Pretty sure its referring to how they could find a job that pays better, but would lose out on the time in doing so considering the vast majority of jobs that you could actually live on don't give you half the year off." eazolan (eazolan): "> have applied and interviewed for other jobs with 30% more pay, but I like only working 175 days a year.\n\nDoesn't look like it to me." Hodorhohodor (Hodorhohodor): "He turned down the other jobs with higher pay because he prefers to have half the year off at his current job even though it pays less. What's not to get?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Also, work your bonus into a sign on with your new company. All companies hiring at this time of your have the build into expenses. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." waffle_ss (waffle_ss): "I disagree vehemently in relation to my industry (programming). I took a few months off after a job, learned a new programming language and stack, and got a job where I was much happier and much better paid. One of the better decisions I made.\n\nWhen you're programming full-time, you often don't have the mental energy after a day of drudgery to put in a lot of effort to learning something really new to you enough to make a lot of headway. A short sabbatical can be just the ticket.\n\nAnd to your point, employers in this industry don't give a flip about gaps in a resume. They care about what skills you have now, and how well you're going to keep up-to-date with industry so that their software will also keep up-to-date (which requires a commitment to continual learning)." DonaldTrump_PureEvil (DonaldTrump_PureEvil): "Another confirmation. IT burns people out and the industry has zero regard for the quality of your life.\n\nI have been off about six of the past 16 years. Though such time off has costs, it has also allowed me to live "bucket list" dreams and realize that the myth of working your whole life to finally experience it in retirement is, well , it's a myth. Live now. You may very well not get a retirement. No one ever dies wishing they had spent more time in an office.\n\nMany times, I have thought "There's no way I am getting back into IT after being gone for 18 months." It happens, and you get back up on that horse.\n\nThey will still keep trying to outsource you. Management is not your friend. They couldn't care less about you. Manage your finances like the most important business of your life. Employers come and go. Make sure you are always still standing when it happens."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well, yeah. You don't go to your employer and say you want to work someplace else if you don't want to work someplace else. " LeEpicMeme420 (LeEpicMeme420): "Right, or else you could just like and tell your boss you have offers when you really don't. Once the employer knows you are looking elsewhere, they are going to be looking to replace you. They may end up making you a better offer, but it is always a gamble unless you have an iron clad contract to protect yourself." Hodorhohodor (Hodorhohodor): "It completely depends on how valuable you are to the company. If you're easily replaceable then you should expect to lose your job if you pull this stunt. If it's going to take a lot of time and effort to replace you then giving you a pay raise may be the smarter decision."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "So I've been told making an offer of you intend to stay ultimately breeds mistrust fro your employer anyway. I've Been your boat but desperate enough to even take a pay cut to leave, ultimately it didn't work out and I found an even better job after. \n\nObviously your employer doesn't care and if you knew you're getting outsourced, you walked into a lost battle before you even said anything.\n\nI've learned the company doesn't care about you and you should be loyal to a point but take care of yourself first. Lesson learned.\n\nYou're also still in the better since you at least have a replacement job. It could be much worse, trust me."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" Robdiesel_dot_com (Robdiesel_dot_com): "It's weird, but I've always heard that too.\n\nI've used "I took a few months travel in Europe" and then used a friend I did some work for over there as a reference (nobody ever called and checked) for my "freelancing". \n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well, yeah. You don't go to your employer and say you want to work someplace else if you don't want to work someplace else. " jkovach89 (jkovach89): "This should be higher, unfortunately. If you use another offer as leverage, you have to be ready to take that offer. " YesNoMaybe (YesNoMaybe): "I don't understand how this is even a warning. It should be obvious. " mjayk_ (mjayk_): "Welcome to the internet, I WILL BE YOUR GUIDE!\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You weren't dumb, you tried something that many of us including myself would have tried. I've seen people do that and increase their salary by $10k. It just didn't work out this time, but that might not necessarily be your fault. It looks like what happened was based on your employer not having incentive to keep you because of their costs. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " lost_in_newyork (lost_in_newyork): "look at Mr. Motivated over here."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Your tl/dr sums it up. In life, never make a threat you aren't willing to act on \n \nBut your old work sounds shitty so it seems it worked out. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " alexthecheese (alexthecheese): "Sounds easy to mock but they're not mutually exclusive..."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well, yeah. You don't go to your employer and say you want to work someplace else if you don't want to work someplace else. " jkovach89 (jkovach89): "This should be higher, unfortunately. If you use another offer as leverage, you have to be ready to take that offer. " YesNoMaybe (YesNoMaybe): "I don't understand how this is even a warning. It should be obvious. " DaughterEarth (DaughterEarth): "There's a pretty strong culture around getting the better of your employer. Members of that culture tend to say things like doing the bare minimum and threatening your boss are the right way to approach employment. \n\nI personally don't mind, it's like my competition taking itself out. :P "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'.\n\nHe called your bluff! "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Yeah.. seems like common sense that if you're using an offer you'd rather not take as "leverage" you're really just bluffing with a weak hand, which backfires all the time."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" CerwinVegas55 (CerwinVegas55): "I'm bored, stressed, underpaid, overworked and constantly going away on business but the time off and the benefits are out of this world. If I typed them out for you, you would be flabbergasted. I have applied and interviewed for other jobs with 30% more pay, but I like only working 175 days a year. My time off is worth a lot more to me than what I make an hour. " secousa (secousa): "What do you do? I wouldn't mind working less than half the year" UnlikelyToBeEaten (UnlikelyToBeEaten): "I have a friend who works on an oil rig operating their underwater vehicles. He gets flown to the rig, stays there for working ~12hr days for a month straight (no weekends), then gets flown back and gets a month off.\n\nThe work is apparently grueling but well-paid. I suspect u/CerwinVegas55 might have a similar setup, but even if they don't this might give you an idea of how you could get half a year off and get paid well, and yet still have a difficult job." Hodorhohodor (Hodorhohodor): "I think most 12 hr shift jobs are like this. I'm a lab tech and work two days then get two days off. The days off are awesome, but the work suuuuccckkksssss!" ivapesyrup (ivapesyrup): "I don't really think you can compare working ~30 12 hour days in a row and getting a month off to working 2 and getting 2 days off."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well, yeah. You don't go to your employer and say you want to work someplace else if you don't want to work someplace else. " jkovach89 (jkovach89): "This should be higher, unfortunately. If you use another offer as leverage, you have to be ready to take that offer. " YesNoMaybe (YesNoMaybe): "I don't understand how this is even a warning. It should be obvious. " ivapesyrup (ivapesyrup): "It is obvious. The last time I saw the advice given out to use an offer like this I'm pretty sure it even had that as a warning in the post."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "If it makes you feel any better, it sounds like it was just a matter of time before you would have been replaced. At least this way you landed softly."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "well to be fair that other post did make a huge deal out of being ready to whole heartedly take that other offer before using it as leverage"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." rreiter01 (rreiter01): "Besides if they think you're good enough for the position at that price, why would they care what you were paid before?" Calamity_Jesus (Calamity_Jesus): "There is no MSRP, Kelly Blue Book, or True Car for HR. Salaries change constantly. How are companies supposed to know what people are generally paid for a specific type of work without direct access to actual current rates? Some companies under-pay out of pure ignorance of the going rate... fortunately for them, the employees are just as likely to be in the dark. \n\nThere's nothing confidential about pay. Your employers (and even your co-workers) have every right to shout your salary from the rooftop, and so do you. It's in HR's interest to make employees think that talking openly about salary numbers is a taboo." ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Glassdoor "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I wouldn't really put this situation on leveraging a new salary, though. \n\nYou were going to be fired. You just gave them an out and an option to save money. If they were looking at outsourcing your position at the company, then your days were numbered. \n\nI reckon, you should find comfort in knowing that you weren't blindsided by this, and hopefully your discontent lead to you planning a little. I would still encourage to Always negotiate, but remember that your work ethic and career path with the company you're at equate to a heavier weight when negotiating more so than an alternative job does. \n\nHang in there, pal. We all are rooting for you! "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " buschdogg (buschdogg): "This right here.\n\nI worked for a shit company for years... I learned a lot, but still stayed too long. Left them for a new company where I was considered an absolute rockstar for the wealth of knowledge I had accumulated by working for the first employer and being underpaid/underappreciated. However, the new job, while well-paying, was not worth it due to lack of organizational skills in management, so after only 2.5 months, I'm moving on to a gig I would have only dreamed about 2 years ago. What's more, I have an open invitation to return to the old job for even higher pay if I decide for whatever reason the new place isn't for me.\n\nLeaving that first job, which was the first one I took out of college, has turned out to be the best choice of my entire life. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Better to take this job now than get laid off in January. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" MikeGolfsPoorly (MikeGolfsPoorly): "Hell, tell them that you took off 6-12 months to act as an in-home care provider for an elderly relative, and the gap is because you only wanted to have relevant employment listed on your resume." ForeverInaDaze (ForeverInaDaze): "Can.. can I use this? I left my job because they relocated far enough that a commute wasn't in the cards. I have a job now, but I went six months interviewing pretty much the whole time and eventually started getting the "so why so long without employment"\n\nHonest answer was I was only looking in the city I lived in because I loved it and had also signed a lease so anything out of a commutable distance was out of the cards.\n\nI'm also a pretty bad liar so I'd hate to have to explain later in detail when they ask me how that elderly relative is." DarkLunch (DarkLunch): "Look at it this way, that question is an elimination round. They're not asking for a reason to hire you, they're asking for a reason not to hire you. \n\nIf you tell them you took six months out to attend rehab, that's a red flag. If you tell them you were helping care for an elder family member, not a red flag. 99% of employers really won't care, or remember, what you say just as long as it's not worth remembering, if you catch my drift. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "There are cemeteries full of irreplaceable people."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." Cornell_Westside (Cornell_Westside): "Well even if you're just average, it takes way more time and money to train someone new for your job than keeping you. Usually it's worth it to just give someone a raise. And if they don't like you or consider you a flight risk, they start looking for replacements in advance. Then again, I'm looking at this from a skilled/educated position. There are plenty of engineers/lawyers, but they don't grow on trees either." Self: "Well that was part of my point. If you're highly skilled and are literally walking out the door with knowledge they just can't get a new person up to speed on in time... yeah.\n\nBut those are the minority. In most office jobs, there's another engineer or accountant or whatever who can do what you do. And mostly, there's always another store assistant, or mailman, or whatever that they can place in there.\n\nIf you're not in the top tier, it's a huge risk. You need to be able to know you ARE in that position and be realistic in assessing your value." formachlorm (formachlorm): "You're underestimating the cost of onboarding a new person and lost production while they get up to speed for replacing even a subpar person. Why do you think so many shitty people keep their jobs? It's often more hassle and cost than it's worth to replace them.\n\nSource-been managing for 15 years." Self: "Many hiring managers will not agree with you unfortunately. This topic is a prime example.\n\nSo for the third time... while yes, there ARE cases where you have skilled worker or high levels of "inside" knowledge that will cause a manager many headaches to replace you, it's hardly the norm. And worse, even if it IS the case.. managers are only human and a lot will let you walk anyway and expect their "loyal" remaining workers to pick up the slack. \n\nMost jobs in the world are not super highly skilled or paid. Those are easily replaceable to any manager. \n\nI think you're example is the exception proving the rule hut your trying to paint it black and white "In my company I personally wouldn't let them leave due to the hassle it causes me". So your trying to say every manager in every job will feel the same. I'm just saying it's dangerous advice.\n\nOP posted this topic because they read HERE on this sub about using leverage to play your employer. And it bit him in the ass... so you can't really argue it doesn't happen. This whole topics existance is case and point!" formachlorm (formachlorm): "Depending on the industry it changes but this really is typically the exception not the rule. You also don't know the conditions of his offer. Maybe his company has no extra budget, maybe he's a shitty worker and causes problems, maybe they were going to lay him off anyways. The point I'm making is not one of advice. The fact of the matter is it is almost always more costly up front to lose a resource. You're anecdotal information doesn't change that. Yes there are all kinds of managers and situations. No you shouldn't use what I'm saying as gold, but if you want to be a good negotiator you need to understand the facts around the situation. And yours are not facts unfortunately. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be taken into account but any person should be hyper aware of their situation."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "As a manager of professional staff this was my response anytime someone came to me with the "I have a better offer". I wished them luck in their new life. If you are not happy in your job, no amount of money will keep you around for long." Guestwhos (Guestwhos): "Shouldn't pay people less because they're happy working there. \n\nLoved my old job, but left because they couldn't even come close to another offer. \n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " UF8FF (UF8FF): "Customer Service is boring and stressful. You get a lot of angry people (stressful) but all their issues are more or less bullshit (boring). " crystaljae (crystaljae): "I've been in customer service almost my whole like and do not find it boring. Like literally everyday you think you've heard it all and then another crazy comes in and you realize you have not heard it all. " UF8FF (UF8FF): "I don't think it helps that I work in end-user tech support so really I'm doing the same thing every day. Helping your grandparents reset their passwords." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Mine are dead so... it's probably me you are helping "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " rdbuckner (rdbuckner): "Can't agree more with this.\n\nAll my life people have criticised my decision to move on from secure jobs in short periods of time, usually spending between 18 - 24 months in a job, often less, never more. Always taking a new role that would teach me new skills. \n\nHaving worked for 16 years in various roles in a particularly poorly regarded industry (I.e crap pay) and being second in command of a successful and well renowned company. I was approached by a client who said... \n\n'The skills you have could transfer to my industry, come work for me'\n\nThis offer came with the fact that my salary was doubled instantly by moving into a higher paying industry. No joke, 100% raise overnight.\n\nI'm short, new experiences are moving valuable than security. Risk = reward. \n\n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well, yeah. You don't go to your employer and say you want to work someplace else if you don't want to work someplace else. " jkovach89 (jkovach89): "This should be higher, unfortunately. If you use another offer as leverage, you have to be ready to take that offer. " artofbullshit (artofbullshit): "Exactly. Always be ready to walk from your job when using leverage. Otherwise, you probably shouldn't use leverage because in my experience it can really offend an unreasonable/sensitive boss when you do--even though no company will ever have the same loyalty to you as you do to them. That's why the other piece of advice I live by is always be ready to walk away from a job no matter what. One day you will die so you need to be happy and enjoy life. Otherwise, what is the point in living?\n\nSource: guy who walked from a job yesterday. \n\nDisclaimer: I had two offers already lined up that paid better and were less stressful. I didn't even give my boss a chance to match because he made my life miserable."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" Zargabraath (Zargabraath): "boring pretty much always implies easy"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" MikeGolfsPoorly (MikeGolfsPoorly): "Hell, tell them that you took off 6-12 months to act as an in-home care provider for an elderly relative, and the gap is because you only wanted to have relevant employment listed on your resume." ForeverInaDaze (ForeverInaDaze): "Can.. can I use this? I left my job because they relocated far enough that a commute wasn't in the cards. I have a job now, but I went six months interviewing pretty much the whole time and eventually started getting the "so why so long without employment"\n\nHonest answer was I was only looking in the city I lived in because I loved it and had also signed a lease so anything out of a commutable distance was out of the cards.\n\nI'm also a pretty bad liar so I'd hate to have to explain later in detail when they ask me how that elderly relative is." Goodasgold444 (Goodasgold444): "but why don't you tell them the honest answer?" ForeverInaDaze (ForeverInaDaze): "Because the honest answer isn't a legitimate excuse." 19GTK87 (19GTK87): "Don't lie in job interviews.\n\nRepeat. Don't lie in job interviews.\n\nThe honest reason you described here is perfectly acceptable. Interviewers understand that life happens to everyone, and everyone has their own reasons for whatever circumstances they're in. If they're asking why you have a gap in your employment history, they mainly don't want to hear, "I was fired for incompetence," or, "My boss was a jerk, so I told him to shove it and I left." Odds are, your interviewer will reply to your honest answer with a, "Don't worry. We don't plan on moving to a different city anytime soon - but we'll give you plenty of notice if we do," with a friendly smile.\n\nBut if an interviewer catches you in a lie (or even suspects it), you'll be immediately rejected. Don't risk it." ForeverInaDaze (ForeverInaDaze): "Oh I'm well aware.\n\nThere is a massive difference between lying and fluffing. Well, actually, not too much of a difference but you know."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "There are Fortune 500 companies that do this, actually. I've worked at 2 of them. Both claimed it is Policy and can't make an offer until they have it. The first time it happened, I called their bluff. It wasn't a bluff." phl_fc (phl_fc): "A lot of big companies like that salary isn't really negotiable either because they have assigned salaries for every job title. What you have to do there is either negotiate for a different job title (one that pays better) or go after intangibles like more vacation or bigger discretionary bonuses." skomes99 (skomes99): "Big companies have job grades, and then a salary range for each job grade. A manager might be job grade 3 with range of 60-80k for example. So there's always wiggle room unless you're at a very low level."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." wyvernwy (wyvernwy): "Be careful with that. My current employer checked all my references very thoroughly, called my last employers going back ten years, including the responsible party for a business that no longer exists (the trickiest part of the process!) and they checked my W2s and tax returns for 9 years. If I had bluffed my salary, I would have been disqualified. I had enough trouble explaining my dates of employment being slightly off (I filled out the application forms in a hurry, and I didn't have any of the documentation they demanded). Was especially weird because I had the job via direct hire from the person who made the hiring decision who I knew very well for years prior, but I still had to get through the background check. " cleardyne (cleardyne): "Sector, salary? Security clearance required? Because that doesn't just sound, but that _is_ completely out of the ordinary." wyvernwy (wyvernwy): "Banking/finance, six-figure mid-career senior management position, 'Fortune single-digit' company. Still was more extreme than a previous gig that was in an aerospace facility that serviced military aircraft. That company didn't do such an extreme background check even though clearance was required, but they did drug testing pretty much every 10-16 weeks or so. That appears to have been the only thing they really cared about, that there were no cannabis users. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" muchdogeisenseinyou (muchdogeisenseinyou): "People definitely give a shit. The question is whether you can give good reasons why you hopped around so much that don't raise red flags about your personality. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " Phoencopterus (Phoencopterus): "It could be a stressful job with tight deadlines and 8 different bosses, but the type of work is not interesting, appealing, or useful.\n\nObviously most jobs aren't super-fun party time, but if a job is stressful, it's nice to at least feel like you're accomplishing something of value after all that hard work."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " Love_LittleBoo (Love_LittleBoo): "Once every two to thirty minutes a buzzer will go off indicating that a process has failed. You must push the series of buttons that appears on the screen within five seconds, or you get shocked. It immediately begins again once you have entered the series, and will buzz again sometime in the next two to thirty minutes."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " UF8FF (UF8FF): "Customer Service is boring and stressful. You get a lot of angry people (stressful) but all their issues are more or less bullshit (boring). " crystaljae (crystaljae): "I've been in customer service almost my whole like and do not find it boring. Like literally everyday you think you've heard it all and then another crazy comes in and you realize you have not heard it all. " __LE_MERDE___ (__LE_MERDE___): "The greatest day I ever had in customer services was having Mr Cheese on the phone whilst my colleague was tapping me on the shoulder to show me he was talking to a Ms Burger.\n\nWe wanted to try and set them up together but our manager said it would break confidentiality laws. " Love_LittleBoo (Love_LittleBoo): "Lol god bless managers like that. Not "No, get back to work" but "No, you're not the first people to want to do that and I already know that we can't"."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " Smiddy621 (Smiddy621): "Depending on the kind of job/office you're interviewing with they could ask... Most companies like long-term employees. It looks better to at least HAVE an explanation for the blank time, or even working away from your chosen field, because it means you're hireable. It's always assumed you've been interviewing since the last day of your last job, which implies you've been rejected or turned down offers over that time. Companies also like to see that you are able to stay in one place for a while because it's an unfortunate stereotype of the millennial generation to get bored or expect too much and bounce from job to job (even though it's not exactly true in skilled industries and they usually leave because they're getting fucked over).\n\nThis is just what I've been told by resume reviewers during my time in college, though, so I'm more or less parroting what they told me. \n\nEdit:a word" kaz8teen (kaz8teen): "Depends on the position in my experience. Designers or developers for example, often job hop and increase salaries as they go. The work is so transparent that employers don't care, if you are great at the job." Smiddy621 (Smiddy621): "Well those are positions where you have a clear portfolio, and every project that outperformed expectations that didn't result in a raise gives you something to show potential employers and you get to ask for them. Either that or you don't want to wait for the next project to start so you go for another position in a project past the planning stages, but that's more like a freelance position."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "If they're letting go of you that easy, the writing was already on the wall and this is the thing that opened your eyes to it.\n\nYou're better off with the new job despite the short-term difficulty. The long-term opportunities are much more important than a temporary comfort."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." Love_LittleBoo (Love_LittleBoo): "I'd like to make sure people also realize--even if you DO get yourself in the situation where they can't replace you, it's not a good place to be unless you're at the absolute top of your employment track. It makes you a liability, even if you're a temporary asset. No one wants to have their entire company dependent on a single employee when it comes to skill set rather than direction, and trying to maneuver yourself into a spot like this (or worse, artificially create one), will 9/10 times result in then looking to replace you with someone or something that isn't going to desert them if they don't get what they want."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." rreiter01 (rreiter01): "Besides if they think you're good enough for the position at that price, why would they care what you were paid before?" Calamity_Jesus (Calamity_Jesus): "There is no MSRP, Kelly Blue Book, or True Car for HR. Salaries change constantly. How are companies supposed to know what people are generally paid for a specific type of work without direct access to actual current rates? Some companies under-pay out of pure ignorance of the going rate... fortunately for them, the employees are just as likely to be in the dark. \n\nThere's nothing confidential about pay. Your employers (and even your co-workers) have every right to shout your salary from the rooftop, and so do you. It's in HR's interest to make employees think that talking openly about salary numbers is a taboo." skomes99 (skomes99): "> How are companies supposed to know what people are generally paid for a specific type of work without direct access to actual current rates?\n\nCompensation consultants, there are lots of them, Towers Watson, Mercer, Aon etc.\n\nYou don't get access to current rates by asking employees because:\n\n1. That may not reflect the market rate\n\n2. It is grossly invasive of privacy and people who are in a position to refuse, will refuse" Calamity_Jesus (Calamity_Jesus): ">2. It is grossly invasive of privacy \n\nMyth. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Take new job, start new job because the first week or in few cases, month is cake. Then look for a new job while working that one, still more pay for the next few cheques, no? "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." gdbjr (gdbjr): "I had a job I hated. For months I would wake up every morning saying today is the day I quit. This led to me printing up a resignation letter every day, but not signing it. I finally realized that the job was sucking what little soul I had left out of me. \n\nSo I quit. Not job lined up, only enough savings for about 2 months, but the moment that I said I told them I was quitting I felt so much better. Like a huge weight was lifted off me. I started looking for a new job thinking I would have a month or so of free time, but I ended up getting a job offer the same day as my last of work. \n\nSo it worked out for me, but I wouldn't do it again, I would start looking well before my jobs gets to me again. \n\nOf course that next job sucked and I only lasted 7 months before I started looking for my next job, thankfully it only took 7 days to get hired this time. " markman1231 (markman1231): "> only enough savings for about 2 months...\n\nThere's your problem. You should have at least 6 months emergency fund minimum. In my case, I could live 2 years comfortably without working." squid_actually (squid_actually): "Sure, more money saved is rarely bad. But I think you missed the forest for the trees. Serious mental issues from a bad work environment are almost never worth the paycheck. " watevergoes (watevergoes): "I agree with your gist but I'd argue not being self sufficient is more stressful than any tech job. I say this as a guy who had a stressful tech job. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." watevergoes (watevergoes): "Thanks for your response "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." waffle_ss (waffle_ss): "I disagree vehemently in relation to my industry (programming). I took a few months off after a job, learned a new programming language and stack, and got a job where I was much happier and much better paid. One of the better decisions I made.\n\nWhen you're programming full-time, you often don't have the mental energy after a day of drudgery to put in a lot of effort to learning something really new to you enough to make a lot of headway. A short sabbatical can be just the ticket.\n\nAnd to your point, employers in this industry don't give a flip about gaps in a resume. They care about what skills you have now, and how well you're going to keep up-to-date with industry so that their software will also keep up-to-date (which requires a commitment to continual learning)." dasignint (dasignint): "Also a programmer. It may be specific to the amount of demand, or something about the culture, but I always quit with nothing lined up, every time. Gaps on my resume are: 1 year, 4 months, 2.5 years, 1 year. Nobody ever asks. Never been a problem. But people I know still act shocked like I'm destroying my life when I quit to go work on my games and music." zeezle (zeezle): "The amount of demand definitely makes this industry pretty viable to do this in. I'm also a developer and for my first job out of university, the company got taken over/bought out less than year into my employment. \n\nThe new company was almost comically evil-corporate-takeover in management style, and they tried to get everyone to sign the most absurd and ridiculous noncompete agreement I've ever heard of. It was so absurd it would've been completely unenforceable in court, but I'm not going to sign a legal document I have no intention of abiding to the terms of on principle. So I refused to sign and resigned in protest (I didn't care about being able to collect unemployment) and took a few months off. Had no problems getting offers when I started seriously looking. \n\nThe demand for software engineers is so high where I am that you can be a half-retarded monkey who sits around picking their nose and still get hired, so even moderately competent people will be swimming in offers as soon as you slap your resume up on Dice, no matter how big a gap you've got. It's actually rather alarming what an incredible deluge of people you will have trying to contact you if you put your resume up somewhere, I still get calls and emails several times a week almost 2 years later from recruiters who downloaded my resume in that 3-week period where it was available online.\n\nIf I were in a less in-demand industry I may have been more careful, but in this industry if you've got decent skills to back yourself up you can do whatever you want pretty much (within reason, of course). "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " radarksu (radarksu): "Wow, so tell me I'm crazy but I graduated college in 2005 with an engineering degree. I still work for the same company, 11 years single employer. I like my job, I make a decent wage, and I basically do what I want. \n\nCould I make more by "job hopping"?, yeah probably. But I also might be the 1st person to be laid off when the nest recession hits. \n\nI'll say this, in my 11 years I've seen many people leave my company only to come back. I only hope that they didn't get a significant raise for doing that move. I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more money. " thefrontpageofme (thefrontpageofme): "> I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more money.\n\nOh you sweet summer child. \n\nLook at it like this - are you doing the best you can to help your company/employer? As in doing a good work? I believe you are.\n\nDo you think your boss is doing the best he can to help your company? He is.\n\nWhat you don't see is that part of him giving his best for the company is spending the least amount of money to achieve the same result.\n\nNobody is evil and nobody wants to screw someone else over, everyone is doing their best. But you're definitely not getting paid the same that you could get paid doing the exact same thing."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress.\n\nMore work for 20% more salary. Who'd have thought?" AcrolloPeed (AcrolloPeed): "lol. I said the same thing. I know the dream is the job where they pay you 7 figures to warm a chair and pull pud, but those jobs are pretty scarce. " Self: "Right? More work, more responsibility, and more stress come from advancement. It's like this dude wants to sit around and do nothing and get more money for it. We all do, of course, but somehow this clown got thousands of upvotes for being lazy and worthless. That's Reddit for ya."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" CerwinVegas55 (CerwinVegas55): "I'm bored, stressed, underpaid, overworked and constantly going away on business but the time off and the benefits are out of this world. If I typed them out for you, you would be flabbergasted. I have applied and interviewed for other jobs with 30% more pay, but I like only working 175 days a year. My time off is worth a lot more to me than what I make an hour. " ShinyTile (ShinyTile): "In that case, it sounds like you've got an almost reverse opportunity cost thing going on. Sounds good to me! " CerwinVegas55 (CerwinVegas55): "It sounds good to a lot of people I talk to. But the job feels like torture. I always joke to the new guys that they don't pay you to work there, they pay you to stay. And it's true. I have looked around and I choose to stay. It's just extremely taxing. I could have nicer cars and a bigger house and probably have a lake cottage and a boat and all the toys I want, but then I'd never have time to enjoy them. I love this sub and almost all of it's advice, but I am of the opinion that if you can live comfortably and can provide for your family and have fun doing it, then you might not need or even want a raise/promotion. Mo money mo problems. " haltingpoint (haltingpoint): "What do you do? I'm also somewhere that spoils employees rotten and pays well. Not overworked and the few things I can gripe about are just growing pains that aren't worth switching over. Yet I still find myself tiring of it and wanting something new. I don't know what's wrong with me." charlie1337 (charlie1337): "What do you do?" haltingpoint (haltingpoint): "I'm a senior marketer."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" TheStoryOfMankind (TheStoryOfMankind): "Tech is pretty notorious for having a really short tenure at jobs. You actually hurt your career by staying in a job too long here. It brings up questions about how easily you adapt to new technologies and keep informed about your field if you look like you were comfortably sitting in one position for 5+ years." Toast_Sapper (Toast_Sapper): "This.\n\nThis is what tech industry is like and long tenures definitely raise more questions in interviews than hopping jobs every few years." coworker (coworker): "No, this is only the case if you work for undesirable companies and stagnate in a particular position. In my experience, the best people get heavily incentivised to stay, including compelling counteroffers, and then have positions tailored to them. The people job hopping are the second stringers." Toast_Sapper (Toast_Sapper): "Some companies will go the extra distance to retain top talent, but this is much rarer and more difficult to find than a different company that will offer a substantial raise as a base salary.\n\nCase in point my last job valued me highly, and was willing to negotiate a raise when I realized that I was struggling to afford my bills after my girlfriend got laid off. After lengthy negotiations they landed on a 7% raise, which was decent, but nowhere near the 20% raise I had been requesting to make up my income gap so I said "Thanks, but this just isn't what I need. I'll be looking for another job".\n\nI updated my resume on a series of job sites, got a flood of interest, a week later i wound up at the center of a bidding war for my services, and accepted an offer which constituted a 33% raise ON TOP of the 7% raise I had already received.\n\nIn my experience it's easier to ask a new company for what you want than to convince your current company to pay you more for the same thing, and as long as this is the case job hopping will be common." coworker (coworker): "I'm sorry but it sounds like you weren't considered top talent by your previous company. If it was a desirable tech company, then you had co-workers who were considered top talent and were feeling the love." Toast_Sapper (Toast_Sapper): "I actually was.\n\nI happen to know that the only people that were feeling the love were the ones sucking up to the VP of our department who ran things like their own personal despotism. The VP would micromanage the tasks of employees three levels down the management chain, throw temper tantrums if people didn't do things exactly the way they wanted them, and personally attacked anyone coming up with alternative ideas trying to undermine them out of fear. which made the situation quite toxic and drove away a lot of very talented people other than myself.\n\nEventually the VP was fired when new management came in and saw the situation for what it was, but by then myself (and many other talented people) were long gone. Most of us to better, higher paying jobs."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." markman1231 (markman1231): "I'm in tech. Today alone I had 3 recruiters contact me. If I quit, I would finally have the time to try new software stacks or work on some of the ideas I've had for personal start-up projects. Being able to show I've worked with those new technologies and have experience using them for projects would put me even more in demand for the next job offers. \n\nAnd frankly, I have two years of savings to survive on if I quit. I would be in no rush to take a new job. If I really wanted, I could just tell them I went on a 3 month vacation and that's all they need to know. I work in tech, I get paid a lot, I get long vacations. And if I don't see a project worth my time, I don't work there anymore. \n\n"Why haven't you been working?"\n\n "I've been vetting offers and projects, but I haven't seen anything worth my time or commitment. You can feel proud that you have my attention with something worthwhile."\n\nAnd frankly, I don't fucking care if they hire me. I can make the same/more freelancing from home with no commute. Or I can work on my own projects and at this point launch a start-up that accepts payments within 30-60 days and probably build a more successful business model than most employers in my city have." tommy13v (tommy13v): "I'm trying to get into freelance work because I'm sick of the extra hours with no additional pay, recognition or comp time. Oh and God forbid if I come in late or leave early. \n\nWhy the fuck are IT workers salaried exempt? I don't get it. " markman1231 (markman1231): "Just don't put up with it...? \n\nI'm working 9-5 and haven't done overtime in the two years I've worked here. If you're expected to do overtime, that has to be calculated into your yearly salary -- an additional 25-40% over the market average for your position.\n\nI recommend keep looking and quit the first chance you get. Check glassdoor reviews and look for reports of "good work/life balance".\n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " snowbunnie678 (snowbunnie678): "So people who needed to spend some time in a mental hospital should never get the chance to work again? Not trying to be confrontational just playing devil's advocate. " markman1231 (markman1231): "Pft, mental hospitals aren't a thing anymore. Nowadays they hospitalize you for a day (in hospital ER) then release you to skid row. In fact, tons of programmers burn-out and end up on skid row unable to get back on their feet. That's why balance is important and you need to be able to set your foot down with your employer." GrumpySeaLion (GrumpySeaLion): "A stunning display of ignorance; mental hospitals absolutely are a thing still; might be a regional thing but I know of a few in the New England area, which means even if there really arent any near you, they absolutely still exist and are very active." markman1231 (markman1231): "Oh right, it's regional. Here in Vancouver, they closed the only mental health facility in 2012 and released all the people to local hospitals, which get released few days later, and now they're all living on the streets.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverview_Hospital_(Coquitlam)"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I don't think you understand what "leverage" means."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I am a boss type..... I never, ever make a counter. Why? Because its never about money. People leave jobs because of thier boss, they dont like the work, are burnt out, perceived slights have added up over time etc. Money is just the tangible, quantifiable excuse. I answer just like the OP's boss. When is your last day ? And I wish you the best. " chria01 (chria01): "Sometimes it really is about the money and benefits."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "We are a "medium business" family, and I have to tell you -- people who aren't extremely amazing at their job offering to leave is a blessing. Often in the time between when you got your job and now, management has realized that two other workers could share your duties (and be given nice raises that still don't equal the money spent on you). It's not cold-hearted or calculating, it's just good management, constantly looking for ways to improve the way things get done. (We never outsource so I can't speak to that.)\n\nSometimes a person who's a dead weight offers to leave just before being let go. \n\nIf you have an issue with your job, the best thing to do is (1) try to be better at it, (2) talk to your manager, and (3) if they don't respond, then you go looking. But you do that because you're actually prepared to leave.\n\nUnless you're a stellar employee they were probably happy to have this opportunity come up, as brutal as that sounds. " chria01 (chria01): "They probably wouldn't pay the other people for the added responsibilities..." Self: "I don't know what all companies do. I know we do."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "When I've been a manager, I've done exactly as your boss did. I never ever counter offer. \n\nNow, if you had come to me 6mos ago and talked to me about being unsatisfied with the work or the pay etc, then it would be different. " winndixie (winndixie): "Different as in you'd start looking for a cheaper replacement?\n\nI'm happy that I'm fluent in power talk." Self: "Certainly not. If you have someone that comes in good (and assuming they are an upstanding employee otherwise), you work with them to find new opportunities, new training, new tasks, perhaps in-company transfers (if that's an option), etc. And eventually you either help that person advance their career, or mentor them to understand they have no options in your company, and then you try to help, advise, recommend them to advance to other companies. " winndixie (winndixie): "You have to empathize with me in not believing that." Self: "I realize this. Many (most?) employers AND employees do not act in such a way as to help each other and honestly further their mutual goals." winndixie (winndixie): "Do you think such a way is possible? When power is involved, it's all treacherous territory." Self: "If parties mutually approach from a sense of enlightened self-interest, it is at least possible. I realize this is probably rare, especially for it to be mutual." winndixie (winndixie): "So we agree. It's rare. Understanding. Is rarer than I think."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" xnfd (xnfd): "Imagine posting a job opening and getting 200 resumes. Half of those people are qualified. 10 people have a one year gap in their employment. Why take the risk on them if you have 90 other qualified applicants? " gl00pp (gl00pp): "Whats the risk?\n\nThey really want lifetime employees? Why? so they only have to pay 1.2% cost of living and not a competitive salary?" DerpyDruid (DerpyDruid): "Yes, and domain knowledge. Turnover and new hires are expensive. I'm not justifying it, but that's the verbiage used."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Move on, I took the leap to a more stressful position 2 years ago and it's certainly paid off."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Suck it up and stop complaining about having to work more. Just get it done. Also, if you were that underpaid, there's probably jobs out there that pay more than 15-20% more. Don't stop looking if that's the case."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." Cainga (Cainga): "I got my first real job through a head hunter agency direct hire. Years later I was looking for another job and the same head hunter agency and rep found me another job. I. had to prove my salary at the first job they got me with a pay stub as weird as it sounds. It was just a policy. " SNOGLO (SNOGLO): "Can someone explain a head hunter agency? I always hear that term, but I want someone who has direct experience to tell me who they are, what they do, and what they stand to gain? " Cainga (Cainga): "Basically companies outsource some of their hiring process to 3rd party agencies. They search for workers and match them with employers. "

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