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It is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...
Not even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things.
The "Serbian world" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something..."
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Not even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.
They are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being "villagers". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically."
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As a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting."
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i think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is."
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Serbia: we are pro-russia
Also Serbia: pls no take our men russia | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that."
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Greece: we next please. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please."
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The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."
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I mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely"
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“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?"
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Historically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions."
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must be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition."
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How does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people."
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Almost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago."
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My simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are "accidently" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new "super weapon" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs"
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“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work"
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2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia"
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Serbia should help Russia if they are true friends. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me"
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Serbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends."
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I am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie."
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Cant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn"
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You realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too."
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A letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\""
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Russia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken."
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Serbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.
Serbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.
Serbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.
Btw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit"
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Btw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.
My sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.
I live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, "snipers alley" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected.
Remember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬 | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found."
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If you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬"
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Nice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else"
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Serbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?"
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They aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here"
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This statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?"
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Russians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.
I see that as returning the favor type of deal. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her."
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Shortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died."
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Ha! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off. | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off."
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How is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?
Or is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of "denazification"? | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…"
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The second part. If your not with us your against us | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food."
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Why doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get"
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No, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going."
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I dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here"
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I guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest! | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying"
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because Serbia is about to move on Kosovo so they need those guys | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying",
">\n\nI thought Serbia was a country? No? Client State? Can’t stand on its own?"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying",
">\n\nI thought Serbia was a country? No? Client State? Can’t stand on its own?",
">\n\nbecause Serbia is about to move on Kosovo so they need those guys"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying",
">\n\nI thought Serbia was a country? No? Client State? Can’t stand on its own?",
">\n\nbecause Serbia is about to move on Kosovo so they need those guys",
">\n\nIf they're looking for a defeat on par with Russia's current one, that's where they'll get it."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying",
">\n\nI thought Serbia was a country? No? Client State? Can’t stand on its own?",
">\n\nbecause Serbia is about to move on Kosovo so they need those guys",
">\n\nIf they're looking for a defeat on par with Russia's current one, that's where they'll get it.",
">\n\nI guess it can’t hurt to ask but…"
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Putin continues to achieve the previously unthinkable. Now, thanks to him, even Serbia is not sure it wants to be friends with Russia anymore.
Can't say I blame them... | [
"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying",
">\n\nI thought Serbia was a country? No? Client State? Can’t stand on its own?",
">\n\nbecause Serbia is about to move on Kosovo so they need those guys",
">\n\nIf they're looking for a defeat on par with Russia's current one, that's where they'll get it.",
">\n\nI guess it can’t hurt to ask but…",
">\n\n”NO! MORE SOLDIERS! HUMAN WAVE OUR WAY TO KYIV!”"
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Putin should go hard-core/bukkake/fisting&footing on Vučić and money raised from that romporn should be invested in Ukraine's weapons system. I believe 90%of money raised would come crom Serbia and Russia + 2 copies bought by Poot and Doggie for long remembrance and silent work jerk offs in a cleaning closet.
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying",
">\n\nI thought Serbia was a country? No? Client State? Can’t stand on its own?",
">\n\nbecause Serbia is about to move on Kosovo so they need those guys",
">\n\nIf they're looking for a defeat on par with Russia's current one, that's where they'll get it.",
">\n\nI guess it can’t hurt to ask but…",
">\n\n”NO! MORE SOLDIERS! HUMAN WAVE OUR WAY TO KYIV!”",
">\n\nPutin continues to achieve the previously unthinkable. Now, thanks to him, even Serbia is not sure it wants to be friends with Russia anymore.\nCan't say I blame them..."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying",
">\n\nI thought Serbia was a country? No? Client State? Can’t stand on its own?",
">\n\nbecause Serbia is about to move on Kosovo so they need those guys",
">\n\nIf they're looking for a defeat on par with Russia's current one, that's where they'll get it.",
">\n\nI guess it can’t hurt to ask but…",
">\n\n”NO! MORE SOLDIERS! HUMAN WAVE OUR WAY TO KYIV!”",
">\n\nPutin continues to achieve the previously unthinkable. Now, thanks to him, even Serbia is not sure it wants to be friends with Russia anymore.\nCan't say I blame them...",
">\n\nPutin should go hard-core/bukkake/fisting&footing on Vučić and money raised from that romporn should be invested in Ukraine's weapons system. I believe 90%of money raised would come crom Serbia and Russia + 2 copies bought by Poot and Doggie for long remembrance and silent work jerk offs in a cleaning closet.\n*highly specific,I know, yet very probable."
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying",
">\n\nI thought Serbia was a country? No? Client State? Can’t stand on its own?",
">\n\nbecause Serbia is about to move on Kosovo so they need those guys",
">\n\nIf they're looking for a defeat on par with Russia's current one, that's where they'll get it.",
">\n\nI guess it can’t hurt to ask but…",
">\n\n”NO! MORE SOLDIERS! HUMAN WAVE OUR WAY TO KYIV!”",
">\n\nPutin continues to achieve the previously unthinkable. Now, thanks to him, even Serbia is not sure it wants to be friends with Russia anymore.\nCan't say I blame them...",
">\n\nPutin should go hard-core/bukkake/fisting&footing on Vučić and money raised from that romporn should be invested in Ukraine's weapons system. I believe 90%of money raised would come crom Serbia and Russia + 2 copies bought by Poot and Doggie for long remembrance and silent work jerk offs in a cleaning closet.\n*highly specific,I know, yet very probable.",
">\n\nSerbians are volunteering for Russia? WTF?"
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"Why do the Russians need so many foreign fighters? With a population of over 145M citizens, you’d think they could resource their own soldiers. Or, do they simply want others to die so Russians don’t have to?",
">\n\nWhy indeed?\nPersonally, I think it's because Putin's threats of a 5 million man draft are empty, and he knows attempting to conscript that many soldiers will rip apart the nation.",
">\n\nRussia will be totally insoluble within the next 20-25 years",
">\n\n... in that it won't dissolve?",
">\n\nJust going to precipitate all over the place.",
">\n\nSome say it’s super saturated. The smallest disturbance could pull everything out of suspension.",
">\n\nI'd say that's crystal clear",
">\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.",
">\n\n\nRussia will respond by doubling recruitment targets.\n\nSerbia is mini Russia. This is more of a propaganda piece from Vucic aimed to the west with no real consequences. They usually get approval from Moscow before they send meaningless messages \"against\" Russia.",
">\n\nMini Russia: ethnic genocide and all",
">\n\nMan, please read history from book not from TV. Please! Serbia and Serbs were object of genocide in WW1 and WW2. In WW1 Serbs lost 1.8 million lives. In WW2 lost 1,5 million people. Comparing this with Yugoslavia civil wars... Come on.",
">\n\nAre you trying to excuse genocide by stating that you killed to less people?!\nPeople like you are garbage.\nPlease bring yourself out, I do not want to touch nazi shit.",
">\n\nDon't go to rabbit hole with them.. somehow after all shit they did, someone else is to blame. Yeah, Nazi only killed Serbs and that somehow give them excuse for crimes in WW1 and WW2. Turks stump over them 500 year ago while conquering Baltic... and that too give them excuse for genocide over their neighbors.",
">\n\nI think Serbia is gonna learn about rule #1 of friendship with Russia:\nYou don't get to dictate any terms of that friendship.",
">\n\nBeing \"friends\" with Russia is like having sex with a gorilla. You do what the gorilla wants to do and you're done when the gorilla's done.",
">\n\nMy wife looks like a gorilla and she is gentle",
">\n\nHey! Don't talk about my girlfriend like that.",
">\n\nGuys, guys, this is not the WSB.",
">\n\nCurrent Serbian government worried about losing its voter base?",
">\n\nUh no, its the opposite actually. Serbs, especially the conservatives (conservative party in charge rn) are completely simping for russia and putin",
">\n\nThe point is that pro Russian Serbs go fight for Russia, and get killed. Which reduces pro Russian Serbian population, hence reduces amount of votes for pro Russian regime",
">\n\nWhile yes, Putin is still getting what he wants out of Serbia, ie more experienced fighters for waging his war in Ukraine.",
">\n\nWhat do you mean? Yugoslav war was 30 years ago, even if someone was 18 at the start of it, who cares about 50 yo experienced fighters",
">\n\nSince it officially ended in 2001, an 18 year old who enlisted in 2000 (1 year to gain experience) would be about 40 now, so still old, but much better suited than 50. That's also assuming they waited to 18 to join.\nI doubt that many fighters are as young as I am suggesting, but who knows?",
">\n\nMaybe Serbia should stop trying to crawl up Putin's anus then?",
">\n\nToo many serbs simps for putin it seem",
">\n\nwell perhaps they ought to have volunteered by now",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit",
">\n\nBoy, do I have a story for you, it involves Serbia and a group organized by its military called the Black Hand and a guy named Gavrilo Princip…",
">\n\nI read a paper that pretty convincingly argued that Princip is the single most influential person of the 20th Century. Talk about the Butterfly Effect.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a good read, anywhere we can read it?",
">\n\nI don't think you need a paper to figure out that single-handedly starting THE world war (which obviously set itself up as a two-parter) is going to be the most influential action by a single person in the history of ever.",
">\n\nChill out. Might be obvious and influential, but it sounds like an interesting read.",
">\n\nWe'll maybe have a problem here one day. While I welcome everyone - except the intolerant - to come to our country, so far we've officially had 140 thousand Russians to move here (off the top of my head, they've suddenly become the 3rd largest minority in the country), and about 20 thousand Ukrainians. Russians have already formed a political party, though they seem to be the ones opposing Putin. However, the Wagner group has already announced they are watching them and we might end up with some sort of Russian civil war in Serbia at one point (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point).\nRussia has a lot of fake NGOs and different kinds of influences here (I mean, they managed to influence elections in the US, we're a piece of cake for them, especially since we genuinely love the Russian (and Ukrainian) people), and it seems like our government is semi-blackmailed into some actions (especially since Russia is our only source of natural gas - the EU wants us to sanction Russia, but no one is offering us any help with getting gas somewhere else, nor we could do that, since we don't have access to any port).\nThese small nudges away from Russian government do seem to show that at least something is happening, though.",
">\n\nSerbia can quickly build an interconnection to neighbouring Croatia which has an LNG terminal. It's already connected to JANAF oil pipeline and multiple gas pipelines with Croatia. Serbia chooses to import Russian oil and gas because it's cheaper.",
">\n\nI'm not sure Croatia would ever do that. We are, however, working with Norway to find a long-term solution.",
">\n\nI really wouldn't trust neither side, they both try to appeal to their respective hardcore right-wing voters, it would be too risky for both of them. I'm pretty sure Croatia gained political points by offering it knowing we'd refuse it, because a part of SNS voters is hardcore nationalists. If we'd accepted, governments both in Croatia and Serbia would probably fall :D\n[edit] I was kinda joking, but I understand the downvotes. The real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.",
">\n\nCroatia already exports over $1 billion of goods to Serbia and imports a bit under $1 billion in goods from Serbia. Mineral fuels, oils and distillation products are the majority of Croatian exports at over $160 million.\nThere's also over $300 million in services from Croatia to Serbia and $160 million going back.\nGovernments of neither countries would fall, that's a very poor excuse.\nAs for your edit:\n\nThe real reason for rejection from our side and picking the Hungarian one would be the closeness between Orban and our government in many spheres of influence and life, I would say. Sorry about the confusion.\n\nThat's also not true. The real reason is that Hungary is allowed to import Russian oil and gas, and Serbia hopes to get into the game. Apart from 250,000 people of Hungarian descent in Vojvodina and autocrats, there's little connecting Serbia and Hungary.",
">\n\nSerbia should invade Russia. Probably best chance to do it.",
">\n\nThey got the natural resources to do it, especially as global warming kicks in. Not sure why they choose to be a puppet state.",
">\n\nIt is a miracle how confident you people are in your statements without verifying basic facts.",
">\n\nIf this is true .... NICE",
">\n\nWhooops\nShouldn't have made an alliance with the devil",
">\n\nBut then the Serbs wouldn't be able to get away with their small \"ethnic cleansing\" scheme!",
">\n\nMost sane westerner.",
">\n\nchallenge: westoid tries not to accuse every country of genocide (it is impossible)",
">\n\nSerbia is likely the most easily improvable country in the world, if only there was a will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crystal clear opportunity for them to finally stop being the lapdog of the genocidal dictator in the East and choose a more productive path. But they just can't get themselves to do it.",
">\n\nSerbians hold Serbia back from joining this century",
">\n\nAnd Russia is like \"Lol, YOUR people?",
">\n\nif you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas",
">\n\nNow we know where the next special military operation will be.",
">\n\nWhy? You guy don't want to be sent into a foreign country armed with way less equipment than the adverage US citizen has in their closet?",
">\n\nThey’ll need all their fighting age people for the war Russia’s planning in Kosovo",
">\n\nIf you really think anything will happen in Kosovo you are massively deluded. It would be suicide for Serbia as a country.",
">\n\nIt would\nJust like we were saying about Russian economic suicide if they invaded Ukraine last year. And now it's showing to be even greater suicide due to other mass failures \nJust like people said it was insane for Serbia to do it in the 90s. \nJust like it would be suicide for Lukashenko to take part in Ukraine, but he still might in the coming months\nJust like how every war of religion is completely irrational \nIf Serbia was rational, it wouldn't be completely obsessed with ethno-nationalism \nIt's goals are irrational, so irrational decisions are not off the table\nEach new batch of internal Serbian politics drums up support with ever increased ethno-nationalism. An ever increasing fever pitch of self superiority and violent anger. Ever more power to the most aggressive and deluded.\nThe hate for Kosovo is closer to a 12th century crusade than a reasoned real politik plan",
">\n\nYour drivel about the internal Serbian politics is insane. Do you live here? Because if you actually did, you'd know that the majority populace is definitely not going to fight that war if it happened. And Serbias position is not the same as Russias before the war, so any equivalency is ill advised.",
">\n\nOh, I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awful idea that lead to further brain drain,\nJust look at all the Russians in Serbia fleeing mobilization.\nMore Russian men have fled Russia than have been mobilized. \nIt wouldn't even be the thousandth time that ill advised political stunts lead to escalation that dragged an unwilling populace into a conflict",
">\n\nWhy do people keep going back to this world war petty bullshit? \nI feel like people are trying to relive the first half of the 20th century all over again.",
">\n\nMust be all that nostalgia cycle and/or respect for tradition",
">\n\nRussia has really gutted its male age 18 to 35 demographic. Win or lose in Ukraine. They'll need decades to recover.",
">\n\nStill recovering from the previous wars. This is just compounding it m. Morons. Absolute tools. I can’t wait until Ukraine gets the chally 2 and leopard tanks.",
">\n\nBlows me away that a country like Serbia tries to start shit, they risk their citizens lives over simping for Russia.",
">\n\nAll Russia simping has long history and doesn’t surprise me, even though I don’t understand it. What is surprising is that apparently significant number of Serbs see no issues with supporting another Russian land grab to the degree when they are willing to personally kill people they’ve never met or had any history with. That’s just wild. I’ve met some Serbs in person, they seemed like the nicest people ever.",
">\n\nI dated a Serbian chick for a while a few years ago. She was extremely bitter about the western intervention. To the point where even discussing different point of views about the Kosovo conflict fired her up wildly.",
">\n\n90% of the people here share the same view, which is why anti-western sentiment is so strong.\nPeople simply cheer for Russia not because of tradition, natural gas, blah blah ... But simply because they hate the West for what happened with Kosovo in 1998-1999 and in 2008.",
">\n\nWhat did the West do to Kosovo?",
">\n\nIt doesn't matter what they did actually (we can debate about that separately), it is what Serbian general public feels they did.\nAnd they feel there was a great injustice - as 15% of territory was taken away illegally and wrongly.",
">\n\nWhen I’m in a Russian dick riding competition and my opponent is Serbia",
">\n\nGood luck to the both of you!\nMay the best man win!\n🤣",
">\n\nSerbia : ‘Oh big Slavic brother who art so merciful and great, please stop’\nRussia : ‘Noted’",
">\n\nDaddy, please stoppp!!",
">\n\nNyet",
">\n\nLike Russia cares what Serbia wants. /s",
">\n\nIn other news Russia has started construction of the world’s largest window frame, apparently designed to fit an entire country, roughly the size of Serbia. Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, assured reporters, “This will absolutely not be used for throwing Serbia through it.”",
">\n\nImagine having free access to news and footage from the war and still join the Russian shit show. \nEven if I was in favor of Russia, why would I want to reduce myself to poorly led, badly equipped biomass?\nMy death would be pointless at best.",
">\n\nThis comment section reads like it's being written by a bunch of clueless kids, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were one.\nWhat is it that you do not understand in terms of motives? You end up in bumfuck-nowhere, Ukraine, with no one there to control what you say or what you do. No one knows you. No one recognizes you.\nIf you're a sadist, you go punch or kill some people.\nIf you're a thief, you go stealing, blackmailing and looting.\nIf you're a psychopathic lunatic, you shell residential buildings.\nIf you're an ideologue, you go practice your dogma in a foreign land, with no one to stop you.\nIf you're a kid with no future or drive, you go there and try and give yourself some purpose, no matter what that purpose is.\nIf you're a sane human being, you steer clear and hope the war comes to a close sooner than later, as is what pretty much every citizen of Serbia is doing. If you're a person with a 9 to 5, you're obviously not signing up for any of this.",
">\n\nBarrel is starting to run low eh comrade? Best start gathering people from I don’t know St Petersburg Moscow…since they seem to be ready to go to war…",
">\n\nI guess Serbia wants their ethnic cleansing experts to stay close to home.",
">\n\nThis is the one.",
">\n\nFuck Serbia for telling Russia to not recruit its citizens into their war?",
">\n\nNo no no, Serbia. This is what being friendly with Muscovy is all about. Be a pal. Putin Khan is there for you. And Armenia. And Syria. You all make a beautiful family.",
">\n\n\nMuscovy \n\n...are you a time traveler from the 1600s, or just really obsessed with Paradox games?",
">\n\nSome people on worldnews don't like that people from there claimed the \"Rus\" name, even though that's much older than the current country there and used for e.g. \"Kyivan Rus\" before. So they call the country by the main city again.\nThat's how I understand it, anyway.",
">\n\n...Muscovy, though?\nWas \"Moscow\" also a stolen name?",
">\n\nIt harkens back to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, and is also used to differentiate the city of Moscow from the country.",
">\n\nDearest Poots. We are doing a fine enough job at putting sticks in the spokes of our own bike. Fuck up your own life. Much love, Serbia.",
">\n\nthey aren't brainwashed, there is a sizeable constituency of Chetniks, ultra-nationalists who still want to genocide their neighbors over having the guts to either practice Catholicism, Islam or speaking a language they don't understand. \nand they call most shots due to them having a foothold since Milosevic",
">\n\nWow. That’s going to blow up pretty bad.",
">\n\nThose data and survey results are from Bosnia, not Serbia.\nAnd the article is about Serbia.\nAnd the guy knows it too well, but never missing a chance to bash on Serbia, in any shape or form.\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...",
">\n\n\nIt is like reading an article about Republic of Ireland on some issue, and then quoting a survey from Norrhern Ireland and their sentiment towards the English people, as an evidence of something...\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close. This is why the Serbian government is led by Milosevic's propaganda minister, Ratko Mladic is seen as a war hero in Serbia, among other things. \nThe \"Serbian world\" ideology transcends borders and unites Serbs politically and ideologically.",
">\n\n\nNot even close to the same ballpark. The ideological thought between Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia are pretty close.\n\nThey are absolutely not. Bosnian Serbs have a reputation in Serbia of being \"villagers\". I don't think you realize that there are over 100,000 Bosniaks living in Serbia (over 200,000 Muslims in total). They might face occasional racism from some moron, but by and large, they are integrated members of society. They are represented in politics, academia, and popular media. I don't personally know anyone who concerns themselves with the religious beliefs or ethnicity of someone else. Granted, I don't associate with conservatives, but you get the idea. Conservatives being racist isn't unique to Serbia. The notion that an entire nation is full of brainwashed idiots because there are some brainwashed idiots is downright insulting.",
">\n\nAs a Russian i frankly very surprised to see foreign Putin simps, especially from western countries. And i see a lot of Serbs fapping on Putin and what he's doing. What's wrong with these fuckers? I even don't know where this Serbia is.",
">\n\ni think your mistake is in thinking Serbia is a western country. culturally and politically they've basically never been that.",
">\n\nSerbia: we are pro-russia\nAlso Serbia: pls no take our men russia",
">\n\nGreece: we next please.",
">\n\nJust don't forget: The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, as George Orwell once said.",
">\n\n\nThe past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.",
">\n\nWell, since you asked so nicely",
">\n\nI mean, it's great they're using their manners but since when has Putin granted a nation something just for the asking?",
">\n\n“Sure, no problem”, is what Putin didn’t say.",
">\n\nHistorically, what benefit has come to Serbia by being Russia's little brother? I can't think of a single positive that has resulted from Serbia's blind loyalty to Russia.",
">\n\nMakes a lot of sense that many Russians are emigrating to Serbia now to evade sanctions.",
">\n\nIt’s not clear from the title whether Serbia wants Russia to stop the recruitment of Serbians or Russians.",
">\n\nmust be worried Serbia will turn into a liberal democracy by attrition.",
">\n\nWell, that’s easy, Putin doesn’t consider ethnic minorities to be people.",
">\n\nHow does it even recruit Serbian? Expats in Russia? If I were anykind of expats in Russia I would GTFO long time ago.",
">\n\nAlmost as if being a slave to putin has some downsides",
">\n\nMy simple question is how many millions of people left Russia before the 300000 conscription started. The lines were massive. I know they've pretty much closed the border. The ones trying hard to leave Russia were their prime fighting males and former female military personnel. The people they need to fight and, more importantly, keep the country running. There's a reason they are \"accidently\" drafting elderly, sick, and dead people. Now, they've brought back their version of the hitler youth. We should be seeing 14 yoa and older in the front line, soon after the 12 yoa. History has proven that the lovers go that route as a last-ditch effort. Now, they're going to release their new \"super weapon\" autonomous fighting robots. I wonder how many Russians they'll wipe out ? they already seem to be doing a good job of shooting their own troupes, intentionally or not.",
">\n\nStop asking Russia, grow your own balls and tell Putin.",
">\n\nIf Serbian folks support Russia, they have to serve Russian needs",
">\n\nWhen you support the killings of ukrainians then you also have to do the dirty work",
">\n\n“But we need more canon fodder!” -Russia",
">\n\n2 birds with 1 rpg if you ask me",
">\n\nSerbia should help Russia if they are true friends.",
">\n\nSerbia helping Russia should help Serbia in the long term, it would rid them of all the people holding them back.",
">\n\nI am from Serbia and completely unaware of any ongoing recruitments for Ukraine war. I have friends working in military. This is straight up a lie.",
">\n\nWhatever they do. Stay out of Bosnia",
">\n\nCant do. Bosnia is already 50% serbian kekw.",
">\n\nThat’s fine. Suffer the consequences like last time. I guess you’ll never learn",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface moment",
">\n\nYou realize this is a lie, right? Serbia didn't actually criticize Russia, they just made sure that more people are aware that Russia is seeking crazy Serbs to fight for them. They are actively trying to help Russia recruit these crazies, without flat-out mobilizing their own people.",
">\n\nGuessing they noticed serbian relatives were going missing too.",
">\n\nOh yeah, that’ll work.",
">\n\nA letter from the president of the Russian Federation, Vladmir Putin, to the office of Serbian President:\n\"no.\"",
">\n\nThis is what Serbia and its chetniks get for asking Russia to help them with ethnic cleansing in the 90s.",
">\n\nRussia is desperate to prove to the world that it can be a superpower, but in reality it is just a scared bully trying to get everyone around them to do their dirty work. If they can’t even take of a small country like Ukraine, how are they even suppose to take over Europe. Coming up on a year of war and they have lost more then they have taken.",
">\n\nSerbia has a history of starting shit",
">\n\nSerbia, the little Russia. They did the same thing as Russia in 92 but on a smaller scale. Attacking a country without any army and committing genocide and other atrocities.\nSerbians in Bosnia, in cities like Banja Luka are praising Putin as a Saint. Russian flags everywhere.\nSerbia should be sanctioned just like Russia. Same people, culture, doctrine and hate in them.\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.",
">\n\n\nBtw. I survived the war with my family but a lot of my relatives didn’t. Some got executed, some died in concentration camps, some were found in mass graves and some were never found.\n\nMy sincere condolences for your loss and suffering.\nI live over the other side of the planet (Australia) but vividly remember the Bosnian war, \"snipers alley\" and all the rest of the horror to which the people were subjected. \nRemember being so infuriated that all the UN troops could do was watch civilians die 😬",
">\n\nIf you don't want your people to get slaughtered in Ukraine... I suppose you could try NOT SENDING THEM.",
">\n\nHahaha \nNice Serbia, enjoy your alliance, which will actually be your annihilation as an independent nation. Russians will never leave you alone until you submit fully.",
">\n\nOr else",
">\n\nAre they preparing for their own battle to come ?",
">\n\nSerbia is the trojan horse. I wouldn't admit them to EU.",
">\n\nThey aren't people, they are cannon fodder. Now keep doing what Papa Putin asks you to do and whatever you think don't try and you know....protest him for killing your children perhaps?",
">\n\nThat’s like asking Russia which upper story window they should look out so they can mysteriously fall out of it and to their death",
">\n\nr/leopardsatemyface material right here",
">\n\nOh man. About to be another window epidemic",
">\n\nThis statement is openly hostile towards Russia, its people and its heritage! We need a temporary Russian peacekeeping contingent in Serbia ASAP!\n/s",
">\n\nFuck I don't get how a country let's russia harvest it's population for slaughtering alongside its own russian collateral damage convicts and feels...hey its OK.",
">\n\nTrouble in paradise. Or did Serbia forget the safe word?",
">\n\nSerbia should grow a pair and tell russia rather than asking her.",
">\n\nRussians did fights for Serbia when they were committing genocide in Bosnia in 90’s.\nI see that as returning the favor type of deal.",
">\n\nShortly thereafter Serbia tragically fell from a tall building and died.",
">\n\nSerbia knows all about committing genocide, as they are responsible for the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 during the Bosnian War. It is no wonder that they chose to side with Russia, who is also committing genocide in Ukraine.",
">\n\nHa! I mean they funded your war to commit atrocities and ethnic cleansing through out the Balkans. So now that they want something in return you have an issue??? How very Serbian of you. Line up your boys and send em off.",
">\n\nSerbia sounding more and more like Nazis every day…",
">\n\nHow is saying that your law doesn't allow your citizens to go-to war in other countries make you a Nazi?\nOr is this some joke regarding Russia invading Serbia like they did with Ukraine because of \"denazification\"?",
">\n\nThe second part. If your not with us your against us",
">\n\nWell that makes more sense but tbh there is nothing to get from Serbia besides corrupt politicians and maybe some good food.",
">\n\nRussia is gonna take all the bodies they can get",
">\n\nWhy doesn't Serbia stop Serbians going in the first place?\nAnswer is Serbia supports them going.",
">\n\nNo, the Govt apparently specifically prohibits any individual military involvement in another country. It's Wagner who are attempting to recruit here",
">\n\nI dont know whats worse for serbia, fake eu/us democracy or goddamn russians",
">\n\nI guess Serbia doesn't want to end up paying for support to family's that lost their dad in puti's war of conquest!",
">\n\nImagine allying yourself to Russia on purpose. Serbs.. what can you do?",
">\n\nI'm assuming because Serbia needs the troops to invade one of their neighboring countries. Again.",
">\n\nHorrifying",
">\n\nI thought Serbia was a country? No? Client State? Can’t stand on its own?",
">\n\nbecause Serbia is about to move on Kosovo so they need those guys",
">\n\nIf they're looking for a defeat on par with Russia's current one, that's where they'll get it.",
">\n\nI guess it can’t hurt to ask but…",
">\n\n”NO! MORE SOLDIERS! HUMAN WAVE OUR WAY TO KYIV!”",
">\n\nPutin continues to achieve the previously unthinkable. Now, thanks to him, even Serbia is not sure it wants to be friends with Russia anymore.\nCan't say I blame them...",
">\n\nPutin should go hard-core/bukkake/fisting&footing on Vučić and money raised from that romporn should be invested in Ukraine's weapons system. I believe 90%of money raised would come crom Serbia and Russia + 2 copies bought by Poot and Doggie for long remembrance and silent work jerk offs in a cleaning closet.\n*highly specific,I know, yet very probable.",
">\n\nSerbians are volunteering for Russia? WTF?",
">\n\nThis comment section is most serbians hate rest of the europe"
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">\n\nIndia …🤔",
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An Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.
In future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.
The joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.
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">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts."
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">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5"
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">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5",
">\n\nWhen are we going to start embargoes on India products?"
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OK, gun nut rant moment
Why the fuck are you still using 7.62x39mm? Yes it's cheap, but engagement ranges with respect to modern optics means that the cartridge is, outside of some expensive specialty 7.62x39mm ammo, a severe bottleneck in combat performance.
Like if it's Uganda using the galil ace to use up it's stockpiles of 7.62x39mm but have modern optics and occasional lasers in visual and IR spectrum for a few special forces operators, sure.
But this is India, a borderline superpower. Threats on the board are China caliber. With 5.8x42mm. At least go 5.56x45mm, or if you gotta go Russian go 5.45x39mm.
You don't need to do sonething as bizarre as 6.5x25mm or try fielding Creedmoor as a military round, but at least bat par for the course on late 20th century.
Edit: looks like it's still duel lug rotating bolt. Just buy some AKM rifles, upgrade the barrels and slap on some pincitinny after market parts and pocket the savings at least if your going the 7.62x39mm saves money route. | [
"\"Russia and India are linked by strong partnership relations\" says it all.",
">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5",
">\n\nWhen are we going to start embargoes on India products?",
">\n\nProbably after embargoing China. So never."
] |
>
Check the terrible insas rifle Indian military/ paramilitary uses. It's what they could make by themselves. They really needed to replace that junk. The frontline forces use western rifles, this is merely a replacement and by joint production they hope to learn how to make better things.
Indian defense procurement is like this
Army: we need 1000 rifles
Gov: we have a budget for only 400. Let me look around and advertise
1-2 year passes
Army: we need 1400 rifles now; Gov: our state run manufacturer is trying to make one give it a few more years
Another year passes
Gov: the prices have increased and we haven't managed to make our own so we got a deal for 300 rifles from belgium
Few years pass
Gov: here are 500 rifles we got for cheap from Russia
Army: we need something more modern and 1000 more
Gov: we'll ask our state run manufacturer to create a new one with your specifications. Here are 300 our state manufacturer managed to make even though we placed an order for 600 and Here are 20 more we got when our PM signed a deal with US president on his last trip. | [
"\"Russia and India are linked by strong partnership relations\" says it all.",
">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5",
">\n\nWhen are we going to start embargoes on India products?",
">\n\nProbably after embargoing China. So never.",
">\n\nOK, gun nut rant moment\nWhy the fuck are you still using 7.62x39mm? Yes it's cheap, but engagement ranges with respect to modern optics means that the cartridge is, outside of some expensive specialty 7.62x39mm ammo, a severe bottleneck in combat performance. \nLike if it's Uganda using the galil ace to use up it's stockpiles of 7.62x39mm but have modern optics and occasional lasers in visual and IR spectrum for a few special forces operators, sure. \nBut this is India, a borderline superpower. Threats on the board are China caliber. With 5.8x42mm. At least go 5.56x45mm, or if you gotta go Russian go 5.45x39mm. \nYou don't need to do sonething as bizarre as 6.5x25mm or try fielding Creedmoor as a military round, but at least bat par for the course on late 20th century.\nEdit: looks like it's still duel lug rotating bolt. Just buy some AKM rifles, upgrade the barrels and slap on some pincitinny after market parts and pocket the savings at least if your going the 7.62x39mm saves money route."
] |
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Ahh, ranting aside. Your right. Probably politicians knowing little of military hardware and the soft value of practical modern design as a war deterrent looking around and testing the waters for easy win procument using small limited scale contracts. | [
"\"Russia and India are linked by strong partnership relations\" says it all.",
">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5",
">\n\nWhen are we going to start embargoes on India products?",
">\n\nProbably after embargoing China. So never.",
">\n\nOK, gun nut rant moment\nWhy the fuck are you still using 7.62x39mm? Yes it's cheap, but engagement ranges with respect to modern optics means that the cartridge is, outside of some expensive specialty 7.62x39mm ammo, a severe bottleneck in combat performance. \nLike if it's Uganda using the galil ace to use up it's stockpiles of 7.62x39mm but have modern optics and occasional lasers in visual and IR spectrum for a few special forces operators, sure. \nBut this is India, a borderline superpower. Threats on the board are China caliber. With 5.8x42mm. At least go 5.56x45mm, or if you gotta go Russian go 5.45x39mm. \nYou don't need to do sonething as bizarre as 6.5x25mm or try fielding Creedmoor as a military round, but at least bat par for the course on late 20th century.\nEdit: looks like it's still duel lug rotating bolt. Just buy some AKM rifles, upgrade the barrels and slap on some pincitinny after market parts and pocket the savings at least if your going the 7.62x39mm saves money route.",
">\n\nCheck the terrible insas rifle Indian military/ paramilitary uses. It's what they could make by themselves. They really needed to replace that junk. The frontline forces use western rifles, this is merely a replacement and by joint production they hope to learn how to make better things. \nIndian defense procurement is like this \nArmy: we need 1000 rifles \nGov: we have a budget for only 400. Let me look around and advertise \n1-2 year passes\nArmy: we need 1400 rifles now; Gov: our state run manufacturer is trying to make one give it a few more years \nAnother year passes \nGov: the prices have increased and we haven't managed to make our own so we got a deal for 300 rifles from belgium \nFew years pass \nGov: here are 500 rifles we got for cheap from Russia \nArmy: we need something more modern and 1000 more \nGov: we'll ask our state run manufacturer to create a new one with your specifications. Here are 300 our state manufacturer managed to make even though we placed an order for 600 and Here are 20 more we got when our PM signed a deal with US president on his last trip."
] |
>
“Pre-conflict, it was pretty rare for Indian refiners to process Russian crude,” says Alan Gelder, refining expert at Wood Mackenzie. “Now, about one in five barrels of the crude oil that they process is Russian. That is war profiteering or so-called blood oil. Thanks, India! | [
"\"Russia and India are linked by strong partnership relations\" says it all.",
">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5",
">\n\nWhen are we going to start embargoes on India products?",
">\n\nProbably after embargoing China. So never.",
">\n\nOK, gun nut rant moment\nWhy the fuck are you still using 7.62x39mm? Yes it's cheap, but engagement ranges with respect to modern optics means that the cartridge is, outside of some expensive specialty 7.62x39mm ammo, a severe bottleneck in combat performance. \nLike if it's Uganda using the galil ace to use up it's stockpiles of 7.62x39mm but have modern optics and occasional lasers in visual and IR spectrum for a few special forces operators, sure. \nBut this is India, a borderline superpower. Threats on the board are China caliber. With 5.8x42mm. At least go 5.56x45mm, or if you gotta go Russian go 5.45x39mm. \nYou don't need to do sonething as bizarre as 6.5x25mm or try fielding Creedmoor as a military round, but at least bat par for the course on late 20th century.\nEdit: looks like it's still duel lug rotating bolt. Just buy some AKM rifles, upgrade the barrels and slap on some pincitinny after market parts and pocket the savings at least if your going the 7.62x39mm saves money route.",
">\n\nCheck the terrible insas rifle Indian military/ paramilitary uses. It's what they could make by themselves. They really needed to replace that junk. The frontline forces use western rifles, this is merely a replacement and by joint production they hope to learn how to make better things. \nIndian defense procurement is like this \nArmy: we need 1000 rifles \nGov: we have a budget for only 400. Let me look around and advertise \n1-2 year passes\nArmy: we need 1400 rifles now; Gov: our state run manufacturer is trying to make one give it a few more years \nAnother year passes \nGov: the prices have increased and we haven't managed to make our own so we got a deal for 300 rifles from belgium \nFew years pass \nGov: here are 500 rifles we got for cheap from Russia \nArmy: we need something more modern and 1000 more \nGov: we'll ask our state run manufacturer to create a new one with your specifications. Here are 300 our state manufacturer managed to make even though we placed an order for 600 and Here are 20 more we got when our PM signed a deal with US president on his last trip.",
">\n\nAhh, ranting aside. Your right. Probably politicians knowing little of military hardware and the soft value of practical modern design as a war deterrent looking around and testing the waters for easy win procument using small limited scale contracts."
] |
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Why are you always in a thread related to India when it isn't even about oil? Genuine Ques as even Ukrainian president Zelensky doesn't blame India and is talking about building relations. | [
"\"Russia and India are linked by strong partnership relations\" says it all.",
">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5",
">\n\nWhen are we going to start embargoes on India products?",
">\n\nProbably after embargoing China. So never.",
">\n\nOK, gun nut rant moment\nWhy the fuck are you still using 7.62x39mm? Yes it's cheap, but engagement ranges with respect to modern optics means that the cartridge is, outside of some expensive specialty 7.62x39mm ammo, a severe bottleneck in combat performance. \nLike if it's Uganda using the galil ace to use up it's stockpiles of 7.62x39mm but have modern optics and occasional lasers in visual and IR spectrum for a few special forces operators, sure. \nBut this is India, a borderline superpower. Threats on the board are China caliber. With 5.8x42mm. At least go 5.56x45mm, or if you gotta go Russian go 5.45x39mm. \nYou don't need to do sonething as bizarre as 6.5x25mm or try fielding Creedmoor as a military round, but at least bat par for the course on late 20th century.\nEdit: looks like it's still duel lug rotating bolt. Just buy some AKM rifles, upgrade the barrels and slap on some pincitinny after market parts and pocket the savings at least if your going the 7.62x39mm saves money route.",
">\n\nCheck the terrible insas rifle Indian military/ paramilitary uses. It's what they could make by themselves. They really needed to replace that junk. The frontline forces use western rifles, this is merely a replacement and by joint production they hope to learn how to make better things. \nIndian defense procurement is like this \nArmy: we need 1000 rifles \nGov: we have a budget for only 400. Let me look around and advertise \n1-2 year passes\nArmy: we need 1400 rifles now; Gov: our state run manufacturer is trying to make one give it a few more years \nAnother year passes \nGov: the prices have increased and we haven't managed to make our own so we got a deal for 300 rifles from belgium \nFew years pass \nGov: here are 500 rifles we got for cheap from Russia \nArmy: we need something more modern and 1000 more \nGov: we'll ask our state run manufacturer to create a new one with your specifications. Here are 300 our state manufacturer managed to make even though we placed an order for 600 and Here are 20 more we got when our PM signed a deal with US president on his last trip.",
">\n\nAhh, ranting aside. Your right. Probably politicians knowing little of military hardware and the soft value of practical modern design as a war deterrent looking around and testing the waters for easy win procument using small limited scale contracts.",
">\n\n“Pre-conflict, it was pretty rare for Indian refiners to process Russian crude,” says Alan Gelder, refining expert at Wood Mackenzie. “Now, about one in five barrels of the crude oil that they process is Russian. That is war profiteering or so-called blood oil. Thanks, India!"
] |
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Why are you here? | [
"\"Russia and India are linked by strong partnership relations\" says it all.",
">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5",
">\n\nWhen are we going to start embargoes on India products?",
">\n\nProbably after embargoing China. So never.",
">\n\nOK, gun nut rant moment\nWhy the fuck are you still using 7.62x39mm? Yes it's cheap, but engagement ranges with respect to modern optics means that the cartridge is, outside of some expensive specialty 7.62x39mm ammo, a severe bottleneck in combat performance. \nLike if it's Uganda using the galil ace to use up it's stockpiles of 7.62x39mm but have modern optics and occasional lasers in visual and IR spectrum for a few special forces operators, sure. \nBut this is India, a borderline superpower. Threats on the board are China caliber. With 5.8x42mm. At least go 5.56x45mm, or if you gotta go Russian go 5.45x39mm. \nYou don't need to do sonething as bizarre as 6.5x25mm or try fielding Creedmoor as a military round, but at least bat par for the course on late 20th century.\nEdit: looks like it's still duel lug rotating bolt. Just buy some AKM rifles, upgrade the barrels and slap on some pincitinny after market parts and pocket the savings at least if your going the 7.62x39mm saves money route.",
">\n\nCheck the terrible insas rifle Indian military/ paramilitary uses. It's what they could make by themselves. They really needed to replace that junk. The frontline forces use western rifles, this is merely a replacement and by joint production they hope to learn how to make better things. \nIndian defense procurement is like this \nArmy: we need 1000 rifles \nGov: we have a budget for only 400. Let me look around and advertise \n1-2 year passes\nArmy: we need 1400 rifles now; Gov: our state run manufacturer is trying to make one give it a few more years \nAnother year passes \nGov: the prices have increased and we haven't managed to make our own so we got a deal for 300 rifles from belgium \nFew years pass \nGov: here are 500 rifles we got for cheap from Russia \nArmy: we need something more modern and 1000 more \nGov: we'll ask our state run manufacturer to create a new one with your specifications. Here are 300 our state manufacturer managed to make even though we placed an order for 600 and Here are 20 more we got when our PM signed a deal with US president on his last trip.",
">\n\nAhh, ranting aside. Your right. Probably politicians knowing little of military hardware and the soft value of practical modern design as a war deterrent looking around and testing the waters for easy win procument using small limited scale contracts.",
">\n\n“Pre-conflict, it was pretty rare for Indian refiners to process Russian crude,” says Alan Gelder, refining expert at Wood Mackenzie. “Now, about one in five barrels of the crude oil that they process is Russian. That is war profiteering or so-called blood oil. Thanks, India!",
">\n\nWhy are you always in a thread related to India when it isn't even about oil? Genuine Ques as even Ukrainian president Zelensky doesn't blame India and is talking about building relations."
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I find your comments funny as you never blame Eu for buying Azerbaijani oil but always blame India for refining oil for the usa. | [
"\"Russia and India are linked by strong partnership relations\" says it all.",
">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5",
">\n\nWhen are we going to start embargoes on India products?",
">\n\nProbably after embargoing China. So never.",
">\n\nOK, gun nut rant moment\nWhy the fuck are you still using 7.62x39mm? Yes it's cheap, but engagement ranges with respect to modern optics means that the cartridge is, outside of some expensive specialty 7.62x39mm ammo, a severe bottleneck in combat performance. \nLike if it's Uganda using the galil ace to use up it's stockpiles of 7.62x39mm but have modern optics and occasional lasers in visual and IR spectrum for a few special forces operators, sure. \nBut this is India, a borderline superpower. Threats on the board are China caliber. With 5.8x42mm. At least go 5.56x45mm, or if you gotta go Russian go 5.45x39mm. \nYou don't need to do sonething as bizarre as 6.5x25mm or try fielding Creedmoor as a military round, but at least bat par for the course on late 20th century.\nEdit: looks like it's still duel lug rotating bolt. Just buy some AKM rifles, upgrade the barrels and slap on some pincitinny after market parts and pocket the savings at least if your going the 7.62x39mm saves money route.",
">\n\nCheck the terrible insas rifle Indian military/ paramilitary uses. It's what they could make by themselves. They really needed to replace that junk. The frontline forces use western rifles, this is merely a replacement and by joint production they hope to learn how to make better things. \nIndian defense procurement is like this \nArmy: we need 1000 rifles \nGov: we have a budget for only 400. Let me look around and advertise \n1-2 year passes\nArmy: we need 1400 rifles now; Gov: our state run manufacturer is trying to make one give it a few more years \nAnother year passes \nGov: the prices have increased and we haven't managed to make our own so we got a deal for 300 rifles from belgium \nFew years pass \nGov: here are 500 rifles we got for cheap from Russia \nArmy: we need something more modern and 1000 more \nGov: we'll ask our state run manufacturer to create a new one with your specifications. Here are 300 our state manufacturer managed to make even though we placed an order for 600 and Here are 20 more we got when our PM signed a deal with US president on his last trip.",
">\n\nAhh, ranting aside. Your right. Probably politicians knowing little of military hardware and the soft value of practical modern design as a war deterrent looking around and testing the waters for easy win procument using small limited scale contracts.",
">\n\n“Pre-conflict, it was pretty rare for Indian refiners to process Russian crude,” says Alan Gelder, refining expert at Wood Mackenzie. “Now, about one in five barrels of the crude oil that they process is Russian. That is war profiteering or so-called blood oil. Thanks, India!",
">\n\nWhy are you always in a thread related to India when it isn't even about oil? Genuine Ques as even Ukrainian president Zelensky doesn't blame India and is talking about building relations.",
">\n\nWhy are you here?"
] |
> | [
"\"Russia and India are linked by strong partnership relations\" says it all.",
">\n\nIndia …🤔",
">\n\nIT’s interesting because India and china hate each other and china is Russias biggest ally. So if war breaks out between India and china, Russia would have to choose a side.",
">\n\nThat is the thing india trades with russia to avoid that. Russia basically doesn't involve itself during india china conflicts.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nAn Indo-Russian joint venture has started manufacturing Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifles in Uttar Pradesh's Amethi, a move that will lend greater firepower to the Indian armed forces.\nIn future, the company may also increase output and upgrade its production facilities to produce advanced rifles based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle platform, Rostec State Corporation said in a statement.\nThe joint venture, registered and located in India, whose founders on the Russian side are Rosoboronexport and Kalashnikov Concern, has started producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, it said.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: rifle^#1 India^#2 assault^#3 Kalashnikov^#4 joint^#5",
">\n\nWhen are we going to start embargoes on India products?",
">\n\nProbably after embargoing China. So never.",
">\n\nOK, gun nut rant moment\nWhy the fuck are you still using 7.62x39mm? Yes it's cheap, but engagement ranges with respect to modern optics means that the cartridge is, outside of some expensive specialty 7.62x39mm ammo, a severe bottleneck in combat performance. \nLike if it's Uganda using the galil ace to use up it's stockpiles of 7.62x39mm but have modern optics and occasional lasers in visual and IR spectrum for a few special forces operators, sure. \nBut this is India, a borderline superpower. Threats on the board are China caliber. With 5.8x42mm. At least go 5.56x45mm, or if you gotta go Russian go 5.45x39mm. \nYou don't need to do sonething as bizarre as 6.5x25mm or try fielding Creedmoor as a military round, but at least bat par for the course on late 20th century.\nEdit: looks like it's still duel lug rotating bolt. Just buy some AKM rifles, upgrade the barrels and slap on some pincitinny after market parts and pocket the savings at least if your going the 7.62x39mm saves money route.",
">\n\nCheck the terrible insas rifle Indian military/ paramilitary uses. It's what they could make by themselves. They really needed to replace that junk. The frontline forces use western rifles, this is merely a replacement and by joint production they hope to learn how to make better things. \nIndian defense procurement is like this \nArmy: we need 1000 rifles \nGov: we have a budget for only 400. Let me look around and advertise \n1-2 year passes\nArmy: we need 1400 rifles now; Gov: our state run manufacturer is trying to make one give it a few more years \nAnother year passes \nGov: the prices have increased and we haven't managed to make our own so we got a deal for 300 rifles from belgium \nFew years pass \nGov: here are 500 rifles we got for cheap from Russia \nArmy: we need something more modern and 1000 more \nGov: we'll ask our state run manufacturer to create a new one with your specifications. Here are 300 our state manufacturer managed to make even though we placed an order for 600 and Here are 20 more we got when our PM signed a deal with US president on his last trip.",
">\n\nAhh, ranting aside. Your right. Probably politicians knowing little of military hardware and the soft value of practical modern design as a war deterrent looking around and testing the waters for easy win procument using small limited scale contracts.",
">\n\n“Pre-conflict, it was pretty rare for Indian refiners to process Russian crude,” says Alan Gelder, refining expert at Wood Mackenzie. “Now, about one in five barrels of the crude oil that they process is Russian. That is war profiteering or so-called blood oil. Thanks, India!",
">\n\nWhy are you always in a thread related to India when it isn't even about oil? Genuine Ques as even Ukrainian president Zelensky doesn't blame India and is talking about building relations.",
">\n\nWhy are you here?",
">\n\nI find your comments funny as you never blame Eu for buying Azerbaijani oil but always blame India for refining oil for the usa."
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Using a firearm is always considered deadly force.
Edit: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread regarding the concept of lethal/deadly force:
Deadly/lethal force does not mean you are inherently trying to kill the individual. The intent of any use of force continuum is to stop the threat. Plain and simple.
Deadly/lethal force implies that the amount/type of force you can use to deal with that threat may reasonably result in death.
It does not mean the intent is death. | [] |
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Never point a firearm at anything you aren't willing to destroy. | [
"Using a firearm is always considered deadly force.\nEdit: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread regarding the concept of lethal/deadly force: \nDeadly/lethal force does not mean you are inherently trying to kill the individual. The intent of any use of force continuum is to stop the threat. Plain and simple. \nDeadly/lethal force implies that the amount/type of force you can use to deal with that threat may reasonably result in death. \nIt does not mean the intent is death."
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If the police received the same type and level of introductory and on-going training as the US Army, | [
"Using a firearm is always considered deadly force.\nEdit: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread regarding the concept of lethal/deadly force: \nDeadly/lethal force does not mean you are inherently trying to kill the individual. The intent of any use of force continuum is to stop the threat. Plain and simple. \nDeadly/lethal force implies that the amount/type of force you can use to deal with that threat may reasonably result in death. \nIt does not mean the intent is death.",
">\n\nNever point a firearm at anything you aren't willing to destroy."
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Trust me, I was in the Marines and fatal negligent discharges were a yearly reminder of why shooter safety is a real thing. A lot of cops shouldn't be armed, period.
Put them in the tax citation division or some shit. | [
"Using a firearm is always considered deadly force.\nEdit: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread regarding the concept of lethal/deadly force: \nDeadly/lethal force does not mean you are inherently trying to kill the individual. The intent of any use of force continuum is to stop the threat. Plain and simple. \nDeadly/lethal force implies that the amount/type of force you can use to deal with that threat may reasonably result in death. \nIt does not mean the intent is death.",
">\n\nNever point a firearm at anything you aren't willing to destroy.",
">\n\nIf the police received the same type and level of introductory and on-going training as the US Army,"
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fatal negligent discharges were a yearly reminder
I get that humans aren't perfect, but like... how does this happen in numbers rather than just freak accidents? I served in the military in a different country, and firearm handling was so incredibly strict and controlled. I vividly remember the one dumbass accidentally pointing his rifle in the wrong direction with blanks in it during basic training, and the resulting disciplinary actions made sure nobody ever ever ever screwed up. We could (and had to) take our weapons apart and put them back together blindfolded, and there were multiple steps every time we'd used them to make sure no bullet was stuck or whatever... kind of similar to the parade inspections you see in the U.S., actually.
What did happen on my base while I served was somebody getting behind the wheel drunk and killed himself while also badly injuring his passenger, something that led to free shuttle service where you just called to get picked up if you were too drunk - and they'd bring somebody to drive your vehicle back to the base as well. No questions asked. It was a pretty great idea, honestly. Because of budget constraints, they probably don't do that anymore.
Or maybe what you're talking about are all freak accidents. I could've misinterpreted your statement. | [
"Using a firearm is always considered deadly force.\nEdit: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread regarding the concept of lethal/deadly force: \nDeadly/lethal force does not mean you are inherently trying to kill the individual. The intent of any use of force continuum is to stop the threat. Plain and simple. \nDeadly/lethal force implies that the amount/type of force you can use to deal with that threat may reasonably result in death. \nIt does not mean the intent is death.",
">\n\nNever point a firearm at anything you aren't willing to destroy.",
">\n\nIf the police received the same type and level of introductory and on-going training as the US Army,",
">\n\nTrust me, I was in the Marines and fatal negligent discharges were a yearly reminder of why shooter safety is a real thing. A lot of cops shouldn't be armed, period.\nPut them in the tax citation division or some shit."
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Mostly freak accidents sadly. When I was active duty, a Marine was using the Porta shitter and a M249 SAW misfires and sent 4 rounds into the toilet killing the poor kid. The investigation stated that there was no malice or deliberate tampering with the weapon. Some poor kid got issued a defective weapon and it killed one of his home boys. | [
"Using a firearm is always considered deadly force.\nEdit: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread regarding the concept of lethal/deadly force: \nDeadly/lethal force does not mean you are inherently trying to kill the individual. The intent of any use of force continuum is to stop the threat. Plain and simple. \nDeadly/lethal force implies that the amount/type of force you can use to deal with that threat may reasonably result in death. \nIt does not mean the intent is death.",
">\n\nNever point a firearm at anything you aren't willing to destroy.",
">\n\nIf the police received the same type and level of introductory and on-going training as the US Army,",
">\n\nTrust me, I was in the Marines and fatal negligent discharges were a yearly reminder of why shooter safety is a real thing. A lot of cops shouldn't be armed, period.\nPut them in the tax citation division or some shit.",
">\n\n\nfatal negligent discharges were a yearly reminder \n\nI get that humans aren't perfect, but like... how does this happen in numbers rather than just freak accidents? I served in the military in a different country, and firearm handling was so incredibly strict and controlled. I vividly remember the one dumbass accidentally pointing his rifle in the wrong direction with blanks in it during basic training, and the resulting disciplinary actions made sure nobody ever ever ever screwed up. We could (and had to) take our weapons apart and put them back together blindfolded, and there were multiple steps every time we'd used them to make sure no bullet was stuck or whatever... kind of similar to the parade inspections you see in the U.S., actually. \nWhat did happen on my base while I served was somebody getting behind the wheel drunk and killed himself while also badly injuring his passenger, something that led to free shuttle service where you just called to get picked up if you were too drunk - and they'd bring somebody to drive your vehicle back to the base as well. No questions asked. It was a pretty great idea, honestly. Because of budget constraints, they probably don't do that anymore. \nOr maybe what you're talking about are all freak accidents. I could've misinterpreted your statement."
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