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Seems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression."
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Why is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately?
Edit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real"
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Make any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?
In a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process.
Taking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany."
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Not that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew."
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Anytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again."
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Why do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban"
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would ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.
If it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.
All toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.
See how long that stays in effect.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!"
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We have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses."
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Just when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them."
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What kind of evil sick shit is this
America is fucking diseased beyond repair
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse"
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I guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.
Some of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair"
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This is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful"
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"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents."
Ah, the party of small government.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with"
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Not to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP."
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Shithole state
Harassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation
when is the doj going to start going after these states
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states"
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Gee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird."
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I cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!"
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There is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves."
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Do you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the "anti-woke" bills that Republicans are trying to push?
My misinformed dad doesn't know that "anti-woke" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot."
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"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?" should be every educators response to any "authority" asking why they didn't "out" a student
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him"
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heck, why not have them wear a gold star too?
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student"
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Christian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\""
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As a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…"
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Its important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.
I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.
Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes.
Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.
We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.
I understand that some people might see this as a "overreaction", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.
It will accelerate. It will get far worse.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse."
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That's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course.
But yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America"
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Biblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority
Makes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population.
No one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.
This law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know..."
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Republicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues."
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Sorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.
It’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?
Where are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.
Fuck this country’s infant-leaders.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane."
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Fucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders."
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“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students."
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Republicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…"
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This is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!"
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Lol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along."
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Sad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists"
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Its always been this way, homophobia is nothing new.
This law is downright terrifying
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point."
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That's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!"
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If I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot.
Granted I am leaving after this year regardless.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff"
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This is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless."
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What's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?"
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That’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit."
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So this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”"
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I'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong."
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yeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?"
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This is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica"
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Can every student in NC just claim to be trans to protect their trans friends?
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica",
">\n\nThis is insane"
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Wtf is going on in this country. Pure damn crazy.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica",
">\n\nThis is insane",
">\n\nCan every student in NC just claim to be trans to protect their trans friends?"
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Why would anyone go into teaching today..they have used these people to destroy the children they are supposed to be caring for. We will have a generation of uneducated sheep that can’t think for themselves
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica",
">\n\nThis is insane",
">\n\nCan every student in NC just claim to be trans to protect their trans friends?",
">\n\nWtf is going on in this country. Pure damn crazy."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica",
">\n\nThis is insane",
">\n\nCan every student in NC just claim to be trans to protect their trans friends?",
">\n\nWtf is going on in this country. Pure damn crazy.",
">\n\nWhy would anyone go into teaching today..they have used these people to destroy the children they are supposed to be caring for. We will have a generation of uneducated sheep that can’t think for themselves"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica",
">\n\nThis is insane",
">\n\nCan every student in NC just claim to be trans to protect their trans friends?",
">\n\nWtf is going on in this country. Pure damn crazy.",
">\n\nWhy would anyone go into teaching today..they have used these people to destroy the children they are supposed to be caring for. We will have a generation of uneducated sheep that can’t think for themselves",
">\n\nfuck this stupid ass state"
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That is just sad. I hope not one does it. Poor teachers we ask so much of the beyond their job and pay them pennies. Now it is up to the to ruin lives?
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica",
">\n\nThis is insane",
">\n\nCan every student in NC just claim to be trans to protect their trans friends?",
">\n\nWtf is going on in this country. Pure damn crazy.",
">\n\nWhy would anyone go into teaching today..they have used these people to destroy the children they are supposed to be caring for. We will have a generation of uneducated sheep that can’t think for themselves",
">\n\nfuck this stupid ass state",
">\n\nWhat if the entire school “came out?”"
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I remember the story Victor Borge once said about how everyone wore the same badge as the Jews when the Nazis took over to fight in solidarity with them.
If this disgusting nonsense passes, I hope that all of NC (and not just the liberal parts) follow that same idea.
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica",
">\n\nThis is insane",
">\n\nCan every student in NC just claim to be trans to protect their trans friends?",
">\n\nWtf is going on in this country. Pure damn crazy.",
">\n\nWhy would anyone go into teaching today..they have used these people to destroy the children they are supposed to be caring for. We will have a generation of uneducated sheep that can’t think for themselves",
">\n\nfuck this stupid ass state",
">\n\nWhat if the entire school “came out?”",
">\n\nThat is just sad. I hope not one does it. Poor teachers we ask so much of the beyond their job and pay them pennies. Now it is up to the to ruin lives?"
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica",
">\n\nThis is insane",
">\n\nCan every student in NC just claim to be trans to protect their trans friends?",
">\n\nWtf is going on in this country. Pure damn crazy.",
">\n\nWhy would anyone go into teaching today..they have used these people to destroy the children they are supposed to be caring for. We will have a generation of uneducated sheep that can’t think for themselves",
">\n\nfuck this stupid ass state",
">\n\nWhat if the entire school “came out?”",
">\n\nThat is just sad. I hope not one does it. Poor teachers we ask so much of the beyond their job and pay them pennies. Now it is up to the to ruin lives?",
">\n\nI remember the story Victor Borge once said about how everyone wore the same badge as the Jews when the Nazis took over to fight in solidarity with them.\nIf this disgusting nonsense passes, I hope that all of NC (and not just the liberal parts) follow that same idea."
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"I would end up having to quit my job because i would never out a minor. I grew up in a Mormon family that was very transphopic and anti gay i saw first hand how cruel and mean families can be.",
">\n\nI'm not saying you did the wrong thing (especially since I believe you didn't), but I think it's a sign of an adverse effect that's taking place in education in all red states right now. They're suffering brain drain because of their harsh, draconian laws, and it's all part of the GOP strategy to make a social institution non-functional so that they can privatise it and make money off of it. They're doing this in a concerted effort to replace public schooling with private schooling, and as we all know, attacking education and the educated is one of the first things all fascist regimes do. It scares me how many of my countrymen can't see the glaringly obvious signs going on in the GOP.",
">\n\nIf it weren't the school's, they'd find another lever to pull. The red states are on a path to theocratic rule and the best all sane people can do is get out of those states while they can. Unfortunately, all we can really do is batten down the hatches and let the fascist shit burn out.",
">\n\nA better plan would be organized blue immigration into red states to tip the vote to Democrats there. If the nut jobs keep adding more states to their control, they not only have the senate and presidency but can do a constitutional convention...",
">\n\nIf money weren't an object, I would fund a nonprofit to encourage remote tech workers to move to Wyoming and the Dakotas. It would take around 400K people to flip all 3 states. 9 electoral votes and 6 Senate seats (this is the real prize).",
">\n\nWhy don't liberal tech company owners do this? It seems so easy and relatively cheap.",
">\n\nTo be fair, how is the infrastructure in Wyoming for remote work? My guess is that it'll need to be developed to support the higher bandwidth usage of a large remote workforce before this is really viable, and it seems like the impetus for that would fall on the ISPs and/or companies wanting to move their people since the state government would likely be hostile to such a plan.",
">\n\nThere isn't any. It helps keep the liberals out.",
">\n\n\nCritics of North Carolina's Parents Bill of Rights say it's harmful to LGBT students and could be used to ban books or put students in harm at home. Supporters say it's needed to stop inappropriate discussions of sexuality or gender at school, and to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\n\nSo, they are admitting they are trying to forcefully make kids comply and forbid them from being actual persons, with autonomy?\n\nThis is something the Westboro Baptist Church would co-sign. What the hell?",
">\n\nI hate that last fucking line. If parents are fucking abusers, kids should keep secrets from them. Fuck these assholes. They just want more Matthew Shepards. They can't beat and kill gay kids, so they want there to be no safety or privacy so that other people will do the dirty work for them.",
">\n\nIf parents are abusers, Republicans are hoping they will punish their children for being gay. The cruelty is the point with Republicans",
">\n\nNot to mention the risk of getting outed in a place where accessibility to guns is rampant Republicans have the added benefit of an increased risk of suicide",
">\n\nIt drives me crazy that the same folks dual wielding ARs from the back of a jacked up Dodge 3500 compensator, screaming about their freedoms while dumping the mag fail to see any freedom that doesnt apply to them",
">\n\nRepublicans scream freedom, but what they really want is Christian nationalism.",
">\n\nThey say freedom, but they mean freedom to take your freedom.\nFundamental to their religion is the requirement to demand everyone else follow it or else",
">\n\nMore accurate name: Alliance Attacking Freedom.",
">\n\nThe Party of Small Government sure doesn’t like a right to privacy.",
">\n\nwe keep trying to gotcha them by pointing out this hypocrisy. Thing is, they're just using the English language completely differently. When they say 'party of small government' what they mean is 'the government doesn't interfere in anything I want to do and keeps me on top of the pecking order.'\nThey don't use words the way the rest of the world does, and we are wasting our time pretending they mean anything they say.",
">\n\n\nConservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.\n\n— Frank Wilhoit, CrookedTimber blog\n\nNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n― Jean-Paul Sartre",
">\n\nYup, both of those. I'd toss in Umberto Eco's list of fascist actions.",
">\n\nanti abortion to 'protect' children but also passing laws to kill children. fuckin assholes",
">\n\nNot all that different from Nazi's outing Jews in WWII Germany.",
">\n\nYes. \"Degenerates\" were also targeted as a guilty minority by the Nazis. A long-time bogeyman of the right. Reagan knew, and Hitler before him. Now Putin and Orban. Evil doesn't end.",
">\n\nPink Triangle.",
">\n\nHow do you do something like this and still think you are a good person?",
">\n\nChurch people do hideous things all the time and still claim they are a good person.",
">\n\nA lot of people go to church because they seriously believe it excuses their bad behavior and not an attempt to improve themselves. It's about getting forgiven without asking permission.",
">\n\nWhich is hilariously the EXACT type of behaviour Jesus rails against ad nauseam in the Bible.",
">\n\nThe Republic of Gilead draws closer every day and half the country is fine with it. Because they think \"Oh, it won't hurt ME\". They'll tolerate any evil if they think they won't be the target of it.",
">\n\nThe majority opposes all of this shit.\nThe problem is that our system allows for minority controls at state and federal level.",
">\n\nThere's a tremendous amount of blame to be laid at the feet of passive centrists who superficially oppose it but think we're overreacting. They're still more concerned about their taxes and the portfolio savings they'll use for their Bora Bora vacation.\nIf you're not plugged in, nothing is changing.",
">\n\nWhat next, a bill to force teachers to report girls who might not be virgins? I don’t think discussing students sex lives is a necessary part of the education system.",
">\n\nMaybe they’ll take a page out of the Florida athletic regulations and require girls to regularly report on their menstrual cycles.",
">\n\nDont forget them demanding to see every girl naked before entering bathrooms to ensure they arent trans..",
">\n\nFlorida wants to track girls menstruation, while NC wants teachers to spy and snitch on any 'suspected' LGBTQ+ students... Every ultra conservative county/state is up for book banning; Texas held #1 spot last year.... And that's just a couple things on the list \nI'm in my \"blue\" city reading daily news like: 📰🖥️👀😳🤨😩😬😡",
">\n\nAnd of course... It's only February.",
">\n\n\nI didn't even think about that \n\n🙈😭 lol",
">\n\nThere is ZERO chance I am outing a student. Good like enforcing this idiotic law GQP taliban… from a NC teacher.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, plenty of bigoted teachers to go around and help “cleanse” there schools of undesirables.",
">\n\nSo the teachers in NC who refuse will likely be jailed, meanwhile sheriffs across the country can openly state they won't enforce certain laws and they get paid to throw the teachers in jail.\nThe south is absolutely fucked.",
">\n\nThe South is Jim Crow again.",
">\n\n\nout LGBTQ students\n\nAre they going to make them wear an identifying symbol?...",
">\n\n\nRepublicans have said critics shouldn’t call this a “Don’t Say Gay” bill — a label critics have applied to similar legislation in other states. Proponents of the North Carolina bill emphasized that teachers wouldn’t be completely banned from talking about gender or sexuality. The bans only apply in kindergarten through fourth grade, said Sen. Amy Galey, a Burlington Republican who sponsored the bill. It only applies to their official curriculum. So if a student asked a question, the teacher wouldn’t be banned from answering it, she said.The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students. \nGaley said that in general, the main goal of the bill is “placing a strong emphasis on communication between school and the home.”Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\n\nThat last sentence stopped me dead. Not just because of stuff like \"I don't want them to know I'm using the fancy tissues at nigh in the bathroom\", but the genuine potential for abuse, and I do not trust this Galey one bit that it will be \"limited\".",
">\n\nPlus the abject stupidity of thinking kids shouldn't have secrets from parents.\nWere these people never children themselves, or did they spring out from under some rock as fully-formed adult theocrats?",
">\n\nThese people were abused as children and just think it’s the norm. They see no issue because they went through it, so everyone else should as well. It’s stupid.",
">\n\nIf it passes ,a lot of Conservative Christian students are going to have their lives ruined",
">\n\n~~have their lives ruined~~ die. Suicides will\nskyrocket.",
">\n\nWhat the hell is the US coming to!! Just leave people alone and quit pushing your Christian bullshit on everyone.",
">\n\nIn America you have the right to live your life as the GOP sees fit.",
">\n\nThis could get kids killed. It needs to be stopped.",
">\n\nThis unfortunately won't stop because Republicans want to kill LGBTQIA+ kids. They delight in it. Republicans would rather have a dead kid than a queer kid.",
">\n\nYes they do, they are evil and hateful.",
">\n\nWasn't there a GOP rep who bragged he would drown his kid if he turned out to be gay?",
">\n\nEric Porterfield, the blind republican from West Virginia.",
">\n\nThe Republican party is pro child abuse. If you vote GOP you vote for sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, full stop.",
">\n\nPretty sure they're trying to drive up suicide rates among LGBTQ youth. \nEvery gay student in the south will have to live a total lie. While they love these don't say gay laws, I'm also pretty sure they'll still tolerate and enable homophobic speech.",
">\n\nAlternate headline. Republicans debate bill that fosters teen suicide.",
">\n\nFortunately the GOP doesn't have a veto-proof majority (barely). Governor Cooper will never sign this bill.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, the GOP does have a veto-proof supermajority in the state Senate, and only needs to flip a single Democrat to override a veto in the general assembly. The thinnest possible margin.",
">\n\nUnless I am mistaken, to overturn an NC gubernatorial veto it is 3/5ths of those PRESENT, not elected. \nSo they still might have it, with some shenanigans.",
">\n\nOh, yeah, that too. They tried some shenanigans a couple years ago, holding a vote when members were attending some memorial. I don't remember the details, but this definitely happens.",
">\n\nIt was a 9/11 memorial.\nThere is nothing sacred for any Republican except doing what it takes to get their wins.",
">\n\nYeah, that's right. I knew it was a memorial for something, but couldn't remember what.",
">\n\nThese are the kind of laws that made Hitler admire and be inspired by the conservative Americans of the Jim crow era...",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until LGBTQ Americans are forced to live in ghettos under armed guard.",
">\n\nConservatives won't be happy until they can electrocute LGBTQIA+ people again and call it \"therapy\".",
">\n\nI can’t wait for the student body all to say they are LGBTQ+ so they have to report all the kids",
">\n\nI'm so glad my generation (gen Z) is so liberal that I know for sure this will happen as a protest.",
">\n\nIf this passes, students will undoubtedly die as a result, whether from someone else or by their own hands.",
">\n\nSounds like the perfect \"I Am Spartacus\" moment for the students.",
">\n\nI had a similar thought, but in a different direction. Instead of (or in addition to) students decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio, teachers could decrease it, too. If they report every student to every parent, regardless of whether the students want to go \"I am Spartacus,\" the result is the same.",
">\n\nI'm the parent of a trans kid in NC, and there is a very real possibility that I'll have to close my business and move my family to someplace cold to protect them. This place was sane when I moved here in 2005.\nThey have lost their fucking minds here.",
">\n\nYeah, it's not great.",
">\n\nThe main goal here is to make LGBT (especially T) and BLM related issues the ONLY issues on voters minds come election time. The Republicans are doing this because they know that if elections are about ANY OTHER ISSUE, they lose.",
">\n\nPeople getting outed as “undesirables” and blacklisted by society?\nWhy do I feel like this has happened before?",
">\n\nOh it won’t be too bad, they will all be given a special rainbow badge to sew onto their jackets. Totally original idea that will have no negative side effects I’m sure.",
">\n\nMaybe a pink triangle.",
">\n\nThe NCGOP is a wicked group of near-humans.",
">\n\nThe GOP* and their voters\nFTFY",
">\n\nThis is some real nazi bullshit. I don’t like where any of this is heading.",
">\n\n\nInstruction on sexual orientation or gender identity shall not be included in the curriculum provided in grades kindergarten through third grade, regardless of whether the information is provided by school personnel or third parties. \n\nTaken literally, doesn't this mean they also can't say anything related to being straight, or cis gender identity?",
">\n\nYes but the law will never be interpreted or enforced that way.",
">\n\nFirst world country my ass.",
">\n\nMy state in education is basically a 3rd world country thanks to the Christian nationalists in the legislature trying to tear education down.",
">\n\nThese old men make me very uncomfortable. As a man I don't want to be associated with people like them even by chromosome y. \nIt creeps me out that so many middle aged and geriatric people obsess over prepubescent genitalia.",
">\n\nIt's beyond time for an update to the old bill of rights. It's sad that we need to come clean and forbid this type of hatred. \nOur government is reliant on being woefully out of date until the empire collapses.",
">\n\nIf the bill of rights is updated it will only ever be written to give people less rights and corporations more rights",
">\n\nI knew someone was going to come up with that line!\nBy the time we get around to it, it will be so obvious that our country has become a dystopia that the corporations won't really have any say over how it goes.",
">\n\nCan't you just accuse every kid of being gay and act dumb? This kid was super fucking happy so he must be gay. \nWhat you mean the principle's kid isn't gay. I've seen his jeans. Totally gay. \nJust dilute the pool with idiotic accusations",
">\n\ndon't even need accusations. every student who is an ally should just \"come out\" to their teachers. get enough false positives and the whole thing becomes moot.",
">\n\n\"Democrats particularly oppose that portion of the measure, saying it will lead to children being abused. Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nStop keeping secrets?\nHoly shit, this is ridiculous.",
">\n\nRepublicans are perverts.",
">\n\nIt's as if we are becoming Nazi Germany 2.0",
">\n\nI really don't understand Americans. You are the most primitive people in the industrialised world. Not in terms of technology, but in terms of attitudes.\nThe sort of stuff we hear about: Banning abortions, outing transgender people, reporting gays, banning library books. This is the sort of stuff that occurs in mediaeval regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia, and even the Saudis are beginning to introduce more rights for their citizens.\nEvery other First World country, and many Third World countries gave up this sort of rubbish a long time ago, and treat people equally.\nAmerica certainly isn't the land of the free. It's more like the land of the foolish.",
">\n\nOnce the student’s “outed” then what?",
">\n\nIt gets worse than that. I have a friend who got outed to his dad, and shortly thereafter, his dad tried to run him over with a pickup truck.\nThis is literally going to get kids killed.",
">\n\nfascist scum",
">\n\nWhen will enough people wake up and realize that republicans are straight up monsters hell bent on inflicting as much pain as possible?",
">\n\nOh what the actual fuck is this\nYou think you’ve hit the bottom.. then the floor gives.",
">\n\nThis is my reality. Millions of my\nCountrymen want me dead",
">\n\nWell.. for what it’s worth, I and millions of others certainly don’t.\nAlso, on a lighter note, good morning and I hope you have a good day my friend 😊",
">\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.",
">\n\n\nOur State is in the strangle hold of Red representation after the last election. My hopes for a Purple to Blue pathway were fully dashed. After Cooper is gone, I’m afraid it will be a race to FL & TX levels of culture war insanity.\n\nThat’s exactly what it’s going to be, key members of the state level GOP have said as much, and as evidenced by this bill. \nMidterms were the last chance I was willing to give NC. I’m out. We’re moving in the summer.",
">\n\nAre they going to make them wear rainbow patches on their arms too?",
">\n\nNope, pink triangles.",
">\n\nThe party that is all about \"freedom\" isn't really into freedom at all.",
">\n\nThe thing is, to them 'straight' isn't a sexual orientation. 'Cis' isn't a gender identity. it's just 'the natural way things are.' Orientations and identities are things 'those deviants' have and are trying to use to force kids to be something other than 'normal.' They won't see the hypocrisy because they draw a strict border between their normalcy and the rest of the world's deviance, and don't see things on the opposite sides of the line as having any equivalence.",
">\n\nThe cruelty is the point.",
">\n\nI can absolutely see a deranged mom drowning her kid in the bathtub after finding out he kissed another boy. These people are fucking psychos and I'm tired of them deciding what we can and can't do.",
">\n\nYeeeeah sure, as an out trans teacher in NC, I will definitely be outing all my queer kids. Yup. You bet. /s",
">\n\nSenator Amy Galey is a truly evil person.",
">\n\nI'll point out, once again, teachers don't HAVE to obey these laws.\nStand up for your beliefs, defy unjust laws, don't out your students just because they say you have to.\nSo often I see these kinds of monstrous laws passed and people just shrug their shoulders and comply, I understand that losing your livelihood is scary...but sometimes it's worth it.",
">\n\nPlenty will want to and probably foam at the mouth at the chance to “save” them and out families they want to leave their holy towns….one way or the other.",
">\n\nForcing people to snitch.\nIs this the venerated ideal of free speech?\nNext up: gay kids need to go to conversion camp. \"Our secret recipe is abuse!\"",
">\n\nThese fucking people are relentless. “Let kids be kids” people, how the fuck can you endorse this?",
">\n\nI think outing a child can have really dangerous consequences for them, so it makes sense pro-life Christians are okay with this.",
">\n\nNazis. The word you’re looking for is “Nazis.”",
">\n\nThis makes me shake with anger. Like, I can feel an ulcer starting by just reading this article. How does one not avoid news stories like this when it makes them so sick?",
">\n\nRidiculous government has no business in this area of our lives.",
">\n\nThis has uncomfortable overtones of another famous regime calling on citizens to out several harmless groups of people. \nNazi Germany. Obviously.",
">\n\nThe struggles these kids have dealing with gender can be overwhelming as they are often in homes that outcast them. Teachers are a front line in helping keep these kids alive. They are struggling with these things and killing themselves literally from not being able to deal with some of their feelings. \nHaving a teacher who they may confide in turn around and out them to their parents is a recipe for disaster. If they care about kids, support them. Stop trying to cut off support lines for people doing things that your religion or your morals don't support, let people live their own lives damn it, even the kids.",
">\n\nFucking shameful. Stop voting for republicans.",
">\n\nHey look, it’s raw fascism.",
">\n\nGod damn these people are reprehensible and disgusting! Parents will be burying their children because of crap like this.",
">\n\nRepublicans really do be hating personal freedoms and privacy.",
">\n\nShort of actually witnessing sexual activity, how would teachers be able to out gay kids? Maybe something like, \"Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your son has been suspiciously festive lately\"?",
">\n\nLet me guess …. Small government republicans??",
">\n\nThis is absolutely fucked. It's 2023 and the Republicans are hollering about Satan and pushing legislation that will kill women (abortion restrictions) and children (anti-lgbt legislation). There was a fucking earthquake in BUFFALO, NY today and there are now annual ice storms that take out the grid in TEXAS. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING",
">\n\nHow would a teacher even have this information. \"Hey Timmy you wanna' be inside that boy over there? no? ok just checking.\" Teachers can't talk about being gay themselves but need to know a child's sexual desires and report them!?",
">\n\nThey want to prevent children from keeping secrets from their parents? That is NOT their call to make! This bill, if passed, WILL result in some kids being thrown out of their parents house and disowned. It WILL result in teen suicides. What they really want is to frighten LGBTQ kids into keeping their mouths shut, as in, don’t mention that you’re gay or the school will rat you out to your parents. Coming out is an extremely important and sensitive decision in a person’s life, and it must be on their own terms. I do not live in North Carolina, and I will never, ever visit, even if this bill doesn’t pass. This makes me so angry. The GOP just keep getting more loathsome by the day. They are trying to sell this as promoting communication and mental health. It will do no such thing. It will only harm. And they know that. And they want that harm to happen, because they are evil.",
">\n\nThey said it's necessary to keep kids from keeping secrets from their parents. Encouraging communication between school and home.\nIt isn't the governments job to parent kids.\nKids have secrets. \nAlways will always have.\nEspecially when they know they'll be abused for revealing them",
">\n\nOne democrat points out how outing every LGBT kid to their parents absolutely will lead to some kids being abused. The author of this bill's response?\n\nGaley said she wasn’t sure how banning discussion of LGBTQ topics in early elementary school had anything to do with that.\n\nShe pretends they're talking about a different part of the bill.\nThey've been warned this will hurt kids, and they are A-OK with that.",
">\n\nIt is the old \"never play defense\" doctrin in action. It is always the be-all end-all sign that someone has no intention of arguing in good faith.",
">\n\nNC's been under GOP control(mostly) for ages, yes we may elect democratic governors but majority of the ones \"in charge\" have always been GOP. Look at the presidential elections, NC has voted for a R candidate for the vast majority of them, the last time was Obama, and then you'd have to look FAR FAR back to find the next one. Just an fyi, this state has one of the highest rates of STI/STDs, not something to be proud of, but not shocking when guess what sex ed was like here?\nIn 7th grade our teacher took us on a bus, didn't tell us where we were going said it was a \"field trip\" (legit would feel like a kidnapping looking back). We were taken into a movie theater and shown a video that mostly promoted abstinence. Contraceptives were not even mentioned in this video. This video didn't even explain what a condom was. Cue me, having to learn everything through either peers or the internet. We didn't even have those sex ed classes in high school like you see in movies where they practice putting a condom on a banana. That didn't/never happens in this state.\nHonestly, these are the kinds of things the GOP pushes and it leaves people dumb and ignorant. As many people already said in this thread, outing LBGTQ+ kids to their parents is only going to lead to abuse because the majority of those people think it's a choice/mental illness and think it can be \"fixed.\"",
">\n\nYou know I'm in poor as fuck NM and I'm glad I live here despite the problems. You all can keep your shitty ass red states and supposed low COL.",
">\n\nLaws I would break with 0 hesitation as a teacher.",
">\n\nIf I taught in NC and I had a gay student show up to class wearing a pride flag around their neck holding the hand of their same-sex partner, I’d just say I thought they were into rainbows and being close with their best-bud.",
">\n\nDoes make like GQPs own Hitler Youth?",
">\n\nA thousand cuts, if the Democrats don't do something to stop this craziness. The US will end up like nazi Germany very soon.",
">\n\nRepublicans still trying to win a culture war that they lost for good a long, long time ago...",
">\n\nThe Republican Party is a plague on all of humanity.",
">\n\nAs a teacher myself I will never out a minor. Pass any fucking laws you want. I will not comply.",
">\n\nCan we start saying genocide yet?",
">\n\n\nDemocratic critics say it would be used to ban books that are age-appropriate for young children, simply for portraying the existence of LGBTQ people — like a character who has two dads.\n\nWouldn't it then also require them to ban books with \"standard\" families? After all, mom&dad families just as much portray a sexual relationship as a dad&dad ones do and fall foul of \"ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\"",
">\n\nCool. The same law should apply to every staffer in the NC congress and every church employee.\nIf they want to out students, then they should be legally required to be outed too. \nWay too many of the fucking hypocrites are having homosexual affairs, whether it be GOP politicians or religious leaders.",
">\n\nKeep in mind that this legislature has a super majority in the senate and is one vote shy of one in the house. They won the last statewide election by 52% and lost the last governor election. They have gerrymandered their way to a super majority. This isn’t an “elections have consequences” or “the people have spoken” issue. It’s pure anti-democratic.",
">\n\nSo is it \"just stop talking about your sexuality so I can pretend you don't exist\" or is it \"out everyone, put them on lists and attack their human rights at every opportunity?\"\nBecause lots of Republicans say the former then they vote for the latter.",
">\n\nChildren aren't allowed to have secrets anymore? What if those secrets get the child beaten? If a child doesn't feel safe telling their parents something, maybe there's a reason. Republicans don't care about protecting children.",
">\n\nIn the conservative world-view children are ultimately more akin to subjects or property belonging to their parents (i.e. mostly, if not exclusively whoever holds the role of patriarch) rather than human beings deserving of legal rights and protection.",
">\n\nAmerica is one of the most disgusting and evil countries in the world. A truly grotesque place.",
">\n\nI cannot express my loathing for these people.",
">\n\nBills like this will kill people.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.”\nSince when is it the Government’s job to “stop children from keeping secrets from their parents”?",
">\n\nDidn't some of these same horrible people try to say wearing a mask during COVID was like being a Jew in Nazi Germany? Now they're wanting to identify individuals because of their sexuality because of their religion",
">\n\nWe're jusitifed in using any means necessary to protect queer kids from conservative tyranny.",
">\n\nOutting students puts them in danger of many things. Why would anyone propose this?",
">\n\nOnce again the southern Bible Belt states show the world how cruel and backwards they’ve always been. Shameful.",
">\n\nDamn. I knew conservatives hated personal liberty but this is borderline nazi type shit.",
">\n\nI'm getting sick and tired of this bullshit. They're gaslighting the LGBTQ+ Community and America while attacking the young and vulnerable.",
">\n\nPasses? Quit. It’s a crime against humanity.",
">\n\nWell that’s enough awful fucking news today",
">\n\nRepublicans rejoice when an LGBTQIA child dies by suicide, otherwise they wouldn’t be creating this hateful rhetoric. Also goes for several religions.",
">\n\nconservatives have become such scumbags. i hate to say it, but it’s just the truth.",
">\n\nI've lived in NC twice but it's been at least 25 years. It was a nice place and reasonably progressive. WTF happened to it. My parents want me to retired there to be closer to them. Ain't going to happen.",
">\n\nWhat happened is the same old story. People are outraged, but its too much of a “hassle” to actually vote…..",
">\n\nAh yes…Republican time wasting…Classic GOP. The pedo-party",
">\n\nJFC we ARE the Taliban.",
">\n\nMost fascist states has policies that require you to eat on your neighbors if they step outside the socially accepted norms so this is arriving right on schedule.",
">\n\nThis is sick. There is no reason to force schools to out LGBTQ students to anyone. Outing is immature and sickening. Nobody knows anyone else's home life, that kid could come from, a little boy could just want a boyfriend, but they come from an extremely homophobic household. If that little boy gets outed, they could face verbal or sometimes physical abuse from their parents. All that little boy wanted was to have a relationship with another little boy. If anyone wants to say anything along the lines of “that's unreasonable” that happened to me, and it'll happen more if homophobic laws are passed, it'll seem more normal. Speak out against homophobia. Its human rights.",
">\n\nWhat is the matter with these people? Do they not have more important things to get upset by?",
">\n\nThe US slowly turning into a christian fascist state.",
">\n\nThis is a great way to jack up the suicide rate in kids.",
">\n\nif and when this passes teachers need to strike and fight back\nthe suicide rate in kids will jump also since when is it the government's job to be a parent ...",
">\n\nNext county over from me are discussing making schools out trans students. This was their response to an alleged rape in the school involving zero trans individuals and one repeat cis-males offender",
">\n\nThis shit will 100% get people killed.\nWhich is the point, obviously. But when will people realize that these people literally want LGBTQ people dead and won't stop until they are?",
">\n\nWhat's next conservatives? You want them to wear some identifying item on the outside of their clothes?",
">\n\nPerhaps a colorful triangle or something resembling their status. Perhaps other groups could get one too, like a star right?",
">\n\nIsn’t this where Gen Z swoops in with their trifecta of resistance. Employ the ‘I am Spartacus’ and ‘Malicious Compliance’ portions and have EVERY kid identify as LGBTQ. That should make those pious legislators angry. Plus a great news story.",
">\n\nGen Z here are just as bad as their grandparents in many ways. They are not immune to brainwashing and cult behavior.",
">\n\nNot if, when suicide rates skyrocket it will be 100% on their hands. This is fucking abhorrent.",
">\n\nThe Lieutenant governor here is a total piece of shit, I deal with him weekly. Absolute authoritarian scumbag. He is the driving force behind anti LGBTQ policy in NC…..and he is poised to become Governor.\nNC , once moving in a progressive way, is sliding backward due to disengagement of the urban young ….",
">\n\nI’d quit my job before I’d out a fucking child",
">\n\nThe GOP is evil.\nFull stop.",
">\n\nFucking disgusting",
">\n\nThis shit is disturbing.",
">\n\nSeriously if I am a teacher..I wouldn’t out any of my students.",
">\n\n“The bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.”\nSo the 4th amendment doesn’t apply to minors now??",
">\n\nThis article was physically making me sick to read. I’m so disgusted with the people in states that elect these abominations to office. If there is a god he is going to send them all to hell for the hate they create.",
">\n\nGOP wants to make the US like Iran? WTF is wrong with these people?",
">\n\nHow feasible is it to prove someone knew something private? A teacher could use ignorance as a defense. Gay can mean happy. With lingo for young adults, any teacher could claim they didn't know what this years crop of buzzwords meant.\nBut I know this will law is made to empower conservative staff to wield this like a battleax to anyone different and saying, \"Well, it's the law.\" It is going to legalize bullying by the one of two scary people that seem to infiltrate every school system.",
">\n\nHad the 14th Amendment been nullified and I missed it?",
">\n\nout them how? do they make them stand in front of the school assembly and pin a pink triangle on them? and why?",
">\n\nI was born and raised in NC, moved away in 2002 and had hoped to retire there in a few years when my son goes off to college. The republicans have killed that dream. I have no desire to live there again.",
">\n\nWe need you back! Way more purple here now than in 2002, that's why cons are freaking out and trying to pass laws like this. (We have a Dem governor in 2023, that's a huge sign)\nThe tide is close to turning, just need a few more votes",
">\n\nI really hate that I can visualize the tragic headlines this law's passing would yield. All this bill will do is increase domestic violence and murder suicides. Parents already hate when teachers honestly tell parents their child has a disability. Now this... This will only drive families apart, save a few good parents who will still be mad they didn't hear it from their child from a place of trust. Coming out to my parents was hard, and I know others had it much worse. I see no good come of this, the government has no business telling others about my sexual satisfactions and needs.",
">\n\nThis country sucks",
">\n\nSo what happens if the teacher \"doesn't know\" the student is LGBTQ?",
">\n\nThen they passed the test as a decent human being.",
">\n\nThe bill would also force teachers in any grade to out gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender students to their parents, even against the wishes of the students.",
">\n\nChildren will die because of this. Children.",
">\n\nSeems like everyone liberal minded should just their kids to all out themselves (regardless of their actual orientation). This specific tool of oppression only works when a subset are called out and Marginalized. Having 50% of the kids claim to be gay or lesbian will render the entire thing ineffective as a tool of oppression.",
">\n\nThe GOP war on humanity continues…",
">\n\nWhy is America really starting to give off dystopian vibes lately? \nEdit: Not all of it of course, but from the outside looking in it kind of seems like there is a fair sized group that would lead it there.",
">\n\nFucking hell. That’s some immoral shit.",
">\n\nfascism officially starts",
">\n\nUnfucking real",
">\n\nSlowly we're becoming Nazi Germany.",
">\n\nMake any one with a conscious skip town, lobotomies the educational institutions, make the remaing lgbt community scapegoats to your evil political whims, incentivize the foulest people to flood the state only making it redder, profit?\nIn a short term power hungry way I guess it makes political sense, but it’s going to hurt the entire state in the process. \nTaking out a floorboard of the ship just so you can stand on it and look taller to your crew.",
">\n\nNot that my decision will change anything but I don't know if I will ever visit the USA again.",
">\n\nAnytime the government looks to STRIP SOMEONE OF THERE FUCKING RIGHT TO PRIVACY. In that the person is now outright going out advertising saying something or otherwise engaged in conduct where it actually effects other people is blatantly unconstitutional immoral unethical and at the point of where I would actually donate for someone to bring a case against this. Look I am not gay. In fact I don't understand the attraction of males to other males but to doesn't matter. BECAUSE ITS NONE OF MY OR THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. Seriously wtf North Carolina?",
">\n\nWhy do they care so much about if someone is lgbtq or not? At this point im sure that half the gop and its voters are secretely in the closet. Its absurd to care so much lol",
">\n\nThis is becoming a witch hunt. It makes me so angry🤬.",
">\n\nAmerica is just as scary as Afghanistan.",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nNC needs a bill to “out” MAGA traitors.",
">\n\n\nwould ban teachers in much of elementary school from mentioning anything related to gender or sexuality.\n\nIf it passes then surely you work to the letter of the law.\nAll toilets, gym classes and changing rooms become shared gender neutral spaces.\nSee how long that stays in effect.",
">\n\nHoly fascism Batman!",
">\n\nAmerican Taliban",
">\n\nWe have kids bringing guns to school and this is the problem???? Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses.",
">\n\nSo can teachers out politicians and senators under this new bill?",
">\n\nJust when I thought Amy Galey was one of the more reasonable conservatives. Evidently, I was wrong. She's as homophobic and intrusive as the rest of them.",
">\n\nLegal child abuse",
">\n\nWhat kind of evil sick shit is this\nAmerica is fucking diseased beyond repair",
">\n\nI guess NC wants a shot at the FL stupidity and bigotry crown. Any teacher who complies with this if it passes should immediately resign. Some of my students are dicks, but I would never do something like deliberately out them to their parents.\nSome of these kids, for whatever reason, trust that they can talk to us about personal matters. The gov't can bite me if they think I would out a kid like that.",
">\n\nThis is going to lead to suicides. The GOP is absolutely disgusting, wicked, and cruel.",
">\n\nthis is mean spirited and awful",
">\n\nTeachers are treated like hell with everything they have to put up with",
">\n\n\"Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.\"\nAh, the party of small government.",
">\n\nNot to be dramatic, but I would have definitely killed myself if this was a law a few years ago when I went to HS in FL.",
">\n\nFuck the GOP.",
">\n\nTeachers aren't here to enforce your religious prohibitions.",
">\n\nShithole state\nHarassment/Child Abuse/Discriminitation\nwhen is the doj going to start going after these states",
">\n\nWow Fascism at work.",
">\n\nGee, I wonder why a child might keep secrets from their parents?",
">\n\nshits getting weird.",
">\n\nThey just won’t stop will they? Leave people the f*** alone!!!",
">\n\nI cannot believe how sick and disgusting some of these states have become. Talk about retrograde, they're completely ignorant of past failures. We must be the only species that willingly devolves.",
">\n\nThere is no way in hell I’m outing a student to their parents if I’m a teacher. They would have to fire and arrest me on the spot.",
">\n\nDo you guys have a list or somewhere I could go to make a list easily that shows all the \"anti-woke\" bills that Republicans are trying to push?\nMy misinformed dad doesn't know that \"anti-woke\" means genocide of the LGBT, and I think that a list showing just that should be able to convince him",
">\n\n\"How would I know what his/her sexual preferences are? I don't talk to my students about that. Why would I?\" should be every educators response to any \"authority\" asking why they didn't \"out\" a student",
">\n\nheck, why not have them wear a gold star too?",
">\n\nChristian conservatives are the problem with America. There’s not a lot left but the ones who are are terrible people. Just look at MTG. Joel Osteen? What a POS.",
">\n\nThis is too far and a gross over reach of the government by the group that claims they are for small government.",
">\n\n\"Sorry, I don't track what kids want to do with their genitalia. Weird that you're interested.\"",
">\n\nJesus Christ people, leave each other the fuck alone…things would be fine if people weren’t constantly antagonizing each other due to delusional beliefs and insecurities…",
">\n\nAs a teacher it isn’t my job to single out a student. Instead, it is to make them feel included. They wonder why education is poor then turn around and add bull sit task like this while cutting funding at the same. Let teachers do their job, and stop punishing the good teachers just because there are a few lemons.",
">\n\nIts important for LGBTQ youth too start secretly meeting in unofficial support groups, look at options of how to escape Christian families, and start new lives.\n I say this because the State is attempting to criminalize their existence, and use the Christian cult mentality to oppress them.\n Many people who want to support them will need to accept that they may have their lives destroyed, if they're caught helping LGBTQ kids escape abusive homes. \n Essentially an underground railroad, where we can save as many kids as possible.\n We must find a way to create networks that can help these kids start new lives.\n I understand that some people might see this as a \"overreaction\", but we still have kids that are abused, or thrown out like trash, because of Christian cult mentality. Its happening today.\n It will accelerate. It will get far worse.",
">\n\nNo one decent will be left to teach in Southern states. Maybe that's what they want.",
">\n\nThat's exactly what they want. Aside from the whole outing people and ruining their lives part of course. \nBut yeah, getting rid of good teachers and replacing them with their own sycophants is one of the things these people hope to accomplish, so that these kids won't get an education, just more indoctrination.",
">\n\nWhat happened to America",
">\n\nDespicable. Just how low will you sink, America? The world wants to know...",
">\n\nBiblical Parental Control: the children have no rights while they live under the roof of their parental authority \nMakes me so sad and livid. So many students live in horrific living conditions. School is their Safe Place. Particularly among the LGBTQ population. \nNo one lives in a perfect Ozzie and Harriet World anymore (and even that was pure fantasy). It’s all about control to Republicans, and they don’t care who gets hurt getting that control.\nThis law is how you get more teen runaways, more teen suicides, more mental health issues.",
">\n\nRepublicans supporting yet another major invasion of government into private lives is insane.",
">\n\nSorry, what the fuck is going on in my county? what the FUCK is going on? I was 13 years old thinking one day America is going to be so fucking dope, and now I’m reading nightmare headline after NIGHTMARE headline.\nIt’s like the people electing for this shit to become real are void of any love or human connection in general? How do you actually propose this as if it is a good idea and what was the intention behind outing students based on their sexual orientation?\nWhere are the parents of these students to threaten these lawmakers? Are moms really cool with this? I highly doubt it but that’s the problem w state-education is you get a bunch of homogenized racists thinking this idea is the best idea since sliced bread.\nFuck this country’s infant-leaders.",
">\n\nFucking fire me before expecting me to do this to one of my students.",
">\n\n“Republicans say it’s necessary to stop children from keeping secrets from their parents.” This is so dangerous…now instead of LGBTQIA+ students being able to find comfort in a friend at school or from an accepting teacher, they will have to completely hide their identity, since it was already not safe at home, and it will now no longer be safe at school. What a terrible bill…",
">\n\nRepublicans sure do seem to be obsessed with the gender and sexualities of minors…",
">\n\nThis is tantamount to forcing teachers to make some kids homeless, or get disowned, or even murdered in some cases. At the very least it could cause intense psychological harm. Fucking unbelievable!",
">\n\nAre teachers required to out students to their parents that their child is straight?",
">\n\nLol of course not, this is just more Christian nationalism",
">\n\nWow, it's almost like these guys have been the real groomers all along.",
">\n\nNext up all non-christians, agnostics, and atheists",
">\n\nSad state of our society when children aren’t comfortable (and in fact, down right afraid) talking to their parents about sexuality.",
">\n\nIts always been this way, homophobia is nothing new. \nThis law is downright terrifying",
">\n\nSo at a certain there will be no more teachers left. And the GOP will ensure they keep a voter base. That’s their whole point.",
">\n\nKids should be ratting out the their MAGA parents - obviously a danger!",
">\n\nThat's frightening having a teacher tell your very violent parents you are not fitting the criteria of boy or girl roles..wtff",
">\n\nIf I was ever required to do this in Oklahoma I'd resign on the spot. \nGranted I am leaving after this year regardless.",
">\n\nThis is why nobody wants to teach school anymore. Great job republicans. Keep attacking gays, women people of color any boogie man to stir outrage to keep you’re ignorant scared base electing you.",
">\n\nWhat's stopping a teacher from not outing a kid and then denying they ever knew if they get caught? Or claim they knew a kid was lying if some asshole decides to record the teacher and lie about coming out?",
">\n\nThey wonder why there is a teacher shortage this is why. You force teachers into impossible situations they quit.",
">\n\nThat’s when you play dumb. If a parent calls a teacher out for not outing their student… “well I thought he meant he was really happy when he said he was gay! I just had no idea he meant he liked guys!”",
">\n\nSo this country is bothered by the freedom of choice then? Doesn’t sound free to me.",
">\n\nI'm so glad to live in a country where laws would prevent such things from even being discussed. This is just plain wrong.",
">\n\nFollow Trump's lead 'I take the fifth'",
">\n\nyeah no if i was a teacher even if passed that would not happen if a student did not want me to say anything to anyone i just won't even to my higher ups if need be.",
">\n\nGlad I’m not teaching in the U.S. anymore.",
">\n\nWow how could this possibly backfire ?",
">\n\nFreedom! Small government! Get your government asses off my property! No not like that!",
">\n\nWTF America?\nAre you guys okay?",
">\n\nno no we are not",
">\n\nThis is one of the most fucked up primitive backwater states that exists. First the bathroom law and now this. I wish I could move away but I am trapped in this hellhole of endless stupid.",
">\n\nWhy do politicians in the US hate the US so much",
">\n\nWTF merica",
">\n\nThis is insane",
">\n\nCan every student in NC just claim to be trans to protect their trans friends?",
">\n\nWtf is going on in this country. Pure damn crazy.",
">\n\nWhy would anyone go into teaching today..they have used these people to destroy the children they are supposed to be caring for. We will have a generation of uneducated sheep that can’t think for themselves",
">\n\nfuck this stupid ass state",
">\n\nWhat if the entire school “came out?”",
">\n\nThat is just sad. I hope not one does it. Poor teachers we ask so much of the beyond their job and pay them pennies. Now it is up to the to ruin lives?",
">\n\nI remember the story Victor Borge once said about how everyone wore the same badge as the Jews when the Nazis took over to fight in solidarity with them.\nIf this disgusting nonsense passes, I hope that all of NC (and not just the liberal parts) follow that same idea.",
">\n\nWhat is wrong with these people?"
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Vampires can’t handle oceans. According to lore, they can’t cross running water. iirc, to cross the ocean, Dracula had to spend the journey in a coffin surrounded by soil from his homeland. There’s no way he could inhabit the ocean.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nYeah, but they can’t prance around in fancy pants lording their superiority over everyone (except the fish), so…",
">\n\nIt's hard to brood dramatically when you're swimming."
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Cinderblock shoes made from concrete from his homeland. Traverse the ocean floor with this one easy trick!
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nYeah, but they can’t prance around in fancy pants lording their superiority over everyone (except the fish), so…",
">\n\nIt's hard to brood dramatically when you're swimming.",
">\n\nVampires can’t handle oceans. According to lore, they can’t cross running water. iirc, to cross the ocean, Dracula had to spend the journey in a coffin surrounded by soil from his homeland. There’s no way he could inhabit the ocean."
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Van Helsing doesn't want you to know this simple life hack!!!
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nYeah, but they can’t prance around in fancy pants lording their superiority over everyone (except the fish), so…",
">\n\nIt's hard to brood dramatically when you're swimming.",
">\n\nVampires can’t handle oceans. According to lore, they can’t cross running water. iirc, to cross the ocean, Dracula had to spend the journey in a coffin surrounded by soil from his homeland. There’s no way he could inhabit the ocean.",
">\n\nCinderblock shoes made from concrete from his homeland. Traverse the ocean floor with this one easy trick!"
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