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Sorry previous generations, sincerely genxer | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”"
] |
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Is 2.0 Syria or Ukraine? | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer"
] |
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Texas | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?"
] |
>
They were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas"
] |
>
Chaff | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen."
] |
>
Did we give them the inverted bird? | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff"
] |
>
I remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?"
] |
>
I have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly."
] |
>
Yup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s"
] |
>
2023 really bout to start off with another war smh | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao"
] |
>
Australia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.
Australia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a "bundle of chaff" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine.
That's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh"
] |
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Australia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20.
That happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out."
] |
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Go on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up.
For those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot."
] |
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And that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident"
] |
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Makes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane."
] |
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they are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything."
] |
>
Wikipedia says "The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained"
] |
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I enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.
Here's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.
There were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.
Overall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol"
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2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire."
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Chinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear"
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The good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the "Made in China" quality. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy"
] |
>
Zhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!” | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality."
] |
>
Good post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”"
] |
>
I'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles.
"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot"
Edit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang."
] |
>
Was he inverted? | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon."
] |
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The more important question is was he keeping up relations | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?"
] |
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Filipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.
Our foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a "friendly consultation" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims.
In short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations"
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That's really dumb. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit."
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Diplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb."
] |
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War games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close."
] |
>
We were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force"
] |
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Send an A-10 up, let them bump into that. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy"
] |
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Standard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that."
] |
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The bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close."
] |
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I know this plot of Top Gun | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged."
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Question: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military? | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun"
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jets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal.
it's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?"
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No one's been this close before. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off."
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This dick-measuring contest is so silly | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off.",
">\n\nNo one's been this close before."
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"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off.",
">\n\nNo one's been this close before.",
">\n\nThis dick-measuring contest is so silly"
] |
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20 ft, 10 ft, 5 ft, 0 ft, chinese jet crashed into american jet.
no war, but class war | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off.",
">\n\nNo one's been this close before.",
">\n\nThis dick-measuring contest is so silly",
">\n\nLooks like 2023 has a lot of surprises for us"
] |
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Within 10 feet? Alright. I throw a rock at the dude. That’ll show him who’s boss. | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off.",
">\n\nNo one's been this close before.",
">\n\nThis dick-measuring contest is so silly",
">\n\nLooks like 2023 has a lot of surprises for us",
">\n\n20 ft, 10 ft, 5 ft, 0 ft, chinese jet crashed into american jet.\nno war, but class war"
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"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off.",
">\n\nNo one's been this close before.",
">\n\nThis dick-measuring contest is so silly",
">\n\nLooks like 2023 has a lot of surprises for us",
">\n\n20 ft, 10 ft, 5 ft, 0 ft, chinese jet crashed into american jet.\nno war, but class war",
">\n\nWithin 10 feet? Alright. I throw a rock at the dude. That’ll show him who’s boss."
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"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off.",
">\n\nNo one's been this close before.",
">\n\nThis dick-measuring contest is so silly",
">\n\nLooks like 2023 has a lot of surprises for us",
">\n\n20 ft, 10 ft, 5 ft, 0 ft, chinese jet crashed into american jet.\nno war, but class war",
">\n\nWithin 10 feet? Alright. I throw a rock at the dude. That’ll show him who’s boss.",
">\n\n10 feet how much is that"
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"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off.",
">\n\nNo one's been this close before.",
">\n\nThis dick-measuring contest is so silly",
">\n\nLooks like 2023 has a lot of surprises for us",
">\n\n20 ft, 10 ft, 5 ft, 0 ft, chinese jet crashed into american jet.\nno war, but class war",
">\n\nWithin 10 feet? Alright. I throw a rock at the dude. That’ll show him who’s boss.",
">\n\n10 feet how much is that",
">\n\n3 meters"
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Flying upsidedown on top of the other jet? | [
"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off.",
">\n\nNo one's been this close before.",
">\n\nThis dick-measuring contest is so silly",
">\n\nLooks like 2023 has a lot of surprises for us",
">\n\n20 ft, 10 ft, 5 ft, 0 ft, chinese jet crashed into american jet.\nno war, but class war",
">\n\nWithin 10 feet? Alright. I throw a rock at the dude. That’ll show him who’s boss.",
">\n\n10 feet how much is that",
">\n\n3 meters",
">\n\nThey would have got it all if they had been lead by legendary pilot, Wi Tu Lo."
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"10 feet?! That’s uh, really close.",
">\n\n\"Well, you see, I was inverted...\"",
">\n\nKeeping up relations.",
">\n\nI was giving him the bird. You know? The Bird!",
">\n\nYeah, I know the bird, Goose",
">\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose. \nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other. \nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\nI was basically comic book guy at age 8",
">\n\n\nwhat always bugged me about that was that at what point between You've Lost that Loving Feeling and Yeah, I know the bird, Goose - does Charlie get introduced to Goose as Goose.\nwhen i saw it as a kid..i was like..wait, they know each other.\n\nTop Gun instructors have to know their students’ names and call signs. I think the whole point of the bar scene was that she knew who THEY were before they knew who SHE was. \n\nAlso when i was kid watching ESB in the theatre as kid - why are the speeders flying head first into the AT-ATs instead of the sides or rear where there are no cannons\n\nThe neck joinery of the AT-AT is not fast enough to track flying targets. It mostly exists as an armored transport for troops and ground vehicles. A better question is why aren’t stormtroopers hanging out of the doors firing on Luke as he plants that detonator?",
">\n\npilot: it's armor is too think for blasters\nalso pilot: pew-pew pew\nAT-AT: explodes",
">\n\nI always assumed that the electrical controls went out, and dropped the shield when the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground",
">\n\nAT-ATs didn't have shields if I recall correctly; I cannot remember which game it was that zaid so (or if it even counts as canon anymore), but I think the reasoning was the neck of the transport was more lightly armored than the rest of its hull to allow it to move around - once the legs gave out and it crashed into the ground, it couldn't move its neck to defend itself against the blasters.",
">\n\nSeems like a lot of people are confused about why this was allowed to happen. The American plane in question is an RC-135, probably a Rivet Joint conducting a freedom of navigation mission. RC-135s are unarmed, large aircraft that carry upward of 20 people sometimes. They do not have missiles, guns, or other offensive capabilities, so no, the RC-135 would not just shoot the J-11 down. RC-135s operate in international waters and therefore do not carry any weapons that would make them a legitimate military target to attack.\nThe reason RC-135s are intercepted is due to the reconnaissance they do, which other countries generally don't appreciate. The intercepts are fairly common, but Chinese and Russian pilots, recently, have had a streak of unprofessional and dangerous behavior when doing the intercepts.",
">\n\nAnd then the EP-3 was confiscated for some time, for intelligence reasons",
">\n\nBut not before the EP3 crew destroyed ~~all~~ most of the sensitive equipment on board.\nEDIT: got it, thanks. This is what happens when you post before coffee.",
">\n\nI knew a guy tangentially involved with that whole affair, and he said the crew was running through the fuselage literally shooting the equipment and lighting everything on fire when the Chinese got there. \"So, anyways, I started blasting...\"",
">\n\nI was a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and some of the sub-systems contained classified technology and we would have radios and networking stuff that had encryption keys so we always had procedures for protecting or destroying the sensitive stuff should our position be overrun. All the electronics had 'Zero' buttons on them that with a single push would wipe out all the data and the for the equipment there was a fire ax and sledge hammer to disassemble the rest of the stuff. Also thermite grenades would be present if there was actual risk, although I had never seen one.",
">\n\nImagine some trainee hitting the zero button during training. YOU ARE THE DUMBEST. SON. OF. A. BITCH.",
">\n\nThis happens all the time. The zeroize button is pretty easy to hit but causes no real harm unless you’re in a place where you can’t get it reconfigured quickly.",
">\n\nI assume it's just volatile memory and probably FPGAs?\nWonder how long it takes to reconfigure/ boot",
">\n\nDepending on what level of key, it can be as simple as walking down the hall and getting a new one or waiting a day to a couple weeks for a new one to be sent. Then you just load it up in a couple minutes and you're running again. Biggest issue is the higher ups riding your ass, asking when things will be running again.",
">\n\ntips almost touched",
">\n\nThis is military equivalent of when boxers do the pre fight promo and they stand 1inch from each others face",
">\n\nNow kiss",
">\n\n**Kith",
">\n\nU.S. jet came within 10 feet of Chinese aircraft - Chinese military",
">\n\nBut were any fingers given?",
">\n\nthat's a negative Ghost Rider",
">\n\nIf it was possible to show someone your bare ass (a full moon) from the cockpit, would that earn you the call sign Werewolf?",
">\n\nKick the tires and light the fires, it's about to be a blue moon tonight. Aroooooo!",
">\n\nput your oxygen mask back on.",
">\n\nI can’t breathe",
">\n\n\"I'm not touching YoU!\"",
">\n\nOne of the more dangerous of sibling games to play while flying a jet",
">\n\nThey started the gay chicken contest",
">\n\nKeep your friends close and your enemies approximately 10 feet.\nAncient Chinese Proverb",
">\n\n\"The art of warfare is deception and deception is flying within ten feet of an unarmed aircraft for some fucking reason.\"\n\nSun Tzu",
">\n\nSun Tzu said that. And I'd say he knows a little more about flying within 10 feet than you do, pal - because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no man could best him in the ring of 10 feet!",
">\n\nJust curious: what would happen if a gunner just thought, “You know what? Fuck you.” And lit him up?\nWould it really be war? Or would both sides bullshit and claim it an accident?",
">\n\nBoth things have happened in the past. At least in the same vein.",
">\n\nFor more information, see this similar scenario that played out in 2001\nA US military plane was intercepted by Chinese fighters, and they collided. Chinese airman died, US Military crew made emergency landing and were detained. Eventually both nations released intentionally ambiguous reports admitting “sorrow” to the other nation for what happened but neither ultimately taking responsibility.",
">\n\nWhat happened to the US plane? I’m wondering about protocol when there’s sensitive equipment on board.",
">\n\nIt was a sigint plane so it had even more equipment and materials on board. IIRC, when the decision was made to land on Hainan they immediately began destroying read-outs and modules. Even after landing they didn't leave the aircraft for a while as the Chinese were outside on the runway. For all that they did destroy, the PLAN still gathered insight into US sigint capabilities. It's been a while but I believe the notable piece of intel was the US's ability to track Chinese subs accurately.\nEdit: copy-pasted from wiki: \"For the next 26 minutes, the crew of the EP-3 performed an emergency plan which included destroying sensitive items aboard the aircraft, such as electronic equipment related to intelligence-gathering, documents and data. Part of this plan involved pouring freshly brewed coffee into disk drives and motherboards and using an axe from the plane's survival kit to destroy hard drives.[14] The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvised. As a result of the destruction, the plane's interior was later described as resembling \"the aftermath of a frat party\".[11]\"",
">\n\nIt seems like a massive oversight that the crew of a sigint plane wouldn't be trained in that. Especially if they're going to be flying that close to any place that the Chinese are going to be flying their own shit.",
">\n\nIt's a massive oversight that every single piece of non-volatile storage isn't encrypted under a key that can be quickly destroyed with a single press of a guarded switch.",
">\n\n2001",
">\n\nSure as hell way too close, but I do not see it come as close as 10 feet in this video. So is it dramatic military hyperbole or just me not having proper frame of reference?",
">\n\nMaybe they got closer off video. In this video it looks closer to ten meters haha",
">\n\nProbably did. This is a common incident in spycraft, this is how you down intelligence gathering ops without directly starting an international incident through a proper attack. It's happened many times before, and the way it's being portrayed is part of the \"shroud\".",
">\n\nThe Russians did it while holding the phone instead of the stick.",
">\n\nis that a hand-held GPS used in the cockpit?! \nrussia military budget really looking stretched out eh?",
">\n\nI've seen cockpit videos from the Ukraine war (can't remember which side) where they have iPads with moving maps in the cockpit.",
">\n\nUsing their version of google maps. Im not even fucking with you",
">\n\nAww did someone in China watch the first Top Gun? lol",
">\n\nI couldn't make heads or tails out of the trailer. I didn't see anything that looked like bad VFX but then again how can you see much of anything with all the quick cuts and shit? I was more miffed at not knowing what the fuck the movie was even about after watching the trailer. It looked like a bunch of air force people performing aerial masturbation for each other... and that's it?",
">\n\nWell this is the director’s first ever movie, all he did prior was produce promotional/propaganda pieces for the Chinese military. Honestly that’s what the movie looks like, a bunch of 1 or 2 minute promotional segments that’ve hastily stitched together. No overarching structure.",
">\n\nSimilar to top gun 1 and 2 then. xD",
">\n\nI mean yeah pretty much, at least substantively, the difference being that both Top Guns have solid editing and scene transitions.",
">\n\nWhy are top comments on such posts always passive agreesive churlish jokes? Why is reddit so incapable of discussing something without infantalizing it.",
">\n\nIt’s a large subreddit. They all end up this way. You want to find smaller ones for any real conversation to happen.",
">\n\nEven smaller ones become real circlejerks over time, the problem is the upvote/downvote system making it hard for balanced discussion to take place.",
">\n\n“This your idea of fun Mav?”",
">\n\nCold war 3.0 ok I'm cool because I lived 1.0 and 2.0\nSorry previous generations, sincerely genxer",
">\n\nIs 2.0 Syria or Ukraine?",
">\n\nTexas",
">\n\nThey were talking about this sort of stuff happening all year on Face the Nation this past weekend. That Chinese jets were even releasing anti-missile defenses which are silvery shards of stuff that could easily be sucked into jets. Something is bound to happen.",
">\n\nChaff",
">\n\nDid we give them the inverted bird?",
">\n\nI remember about 20 years ago or so when a Chinese military plan hit one of our military planes and they had to make an emergency landing in China. Bout ripped the nose off if I remember correctly.",
">\n\nI have to imagine 20 years of military development, training, expansion, and improvement, has completely transformed the PLAAF into something remarkably more serious than china in the early 2000’s/late 90’s",
">\n\nYup. Their J-20 is the only other truly operational 5th gen fighter besides the F-35 and F-22. Not like those Russian Su57s that they repaint different tail numbers on to make it look like they have more then they do lmao",
">\n\n2023 really bout to start off with another war smh",
">\n\n\nAustralia's defence department said in June that a Chinese fighter aircraft dangerously intercepted an Australian military surveillance plane in the South China Sea region in May.\nAustralia said the Chinese jet flew close in front of the RAAF aircraft and released a \"bundle of chaff\" containing small pieces of aluminum that were ingested into the Australian aircraft's engine. \n\nThat's a pretty dumb way to start a war. If that aircraft crashed because it was low-key shot down by a Chinese jet, things could have spiraled out of control. Other nations are NOT ceding the airspace to the Chinese. These continued provocations will absolutely end up in death and casus belli if China doesn't figure that out.",
">\n\nAustralia is not going to declare war with a superpower over losing a spy plane or 20. \nThat happened all the time in the OG cold war without it going hot.",
">\n\nGo on China, keep playing chicken til you fuck up. \nFor those unaware, Chinese pilots routinely do things which bring them dangerously close to other aircraft of many nations. They are practically begging for an accident",
">\n\nAnd that ended up being a huge win for China, they got a lot of tech out of that plane.",
">\n\nMakes me wonder why the crew wasn't trained on deleting everything and why there is no big red button to delete everything.",
">\n\nthey are trained on that, it's just the big delete button is a series of tools that you use to smash the everloving shit out of everything. the crew was able to destroy most of the senstive stuff but not everything before they were detained",
">\n\nWikipedia says \"The crew had not been formally trained on how to destroy sensitive documents and equipment, and so improvis\" that's why I was wondering. Beating the shit out of it was a given, but I thought there was more to it lol",
">\n\nI enjoyed reading the abandon ship procedure when I was on a submarine. We were never trained on it explicitly, but it existed.\nHere's the gist. Take the list of valuable things, which was mostly circuit boards involved in weapons, sonar, radar, and reactor control. Fill a hatch with the important circuit boards, then fill the hatch with fuel oil, then light the pool of fuel and circuit boards on fire.\nThere were some paragraphs on smashing some things. There were some paragraphs on how the CO might choose to sink the ship and some big picture oversights for that process.\nOverall though it was collect the exact stuff you would think would be valuable to a foreign country and smash it and set it on fire.",
">\n\n2023 is gonna be a wild ride, more than the last few years I fear",
">\n\nChinese were just getting a closer look if they got a good copy",
">\n\nThe good thing is that those jets are made in China. They have the \"Made in China\" quality.",
">\n\nZhang “You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous Chen!!!”",
">\n\nGood post except this is P.R. China, not Taiwan. So while Chen works, Chang needs to got to pinyin form: Zhang.",
">\n\nI'm sure this is playing differently in China media circles. \n\"US spy aircraft thwarted by brave Chinese Pilot\"\nEdit: Bet a buck they violate the air space of Taiwan soon.",
">\n\nWas he inverted?",
">\n\nThe more important question is was he keeping up relations",
">\n\nFilipino here. There was an incident where our navy were pulling debris within our territorial waters when the Chinese Navy intercepted them, cut the rope that was pulling the debris, and took it themselves.\nOur foreign affairs attache raised an issue about it, but the Chinese said there wasn't any issue and in fact both navies had a \"friendly consultation\" about it in which they claim our navy turned it over. Our navy later released a video recording of the incident contradicting all of the Chinese claims. \nIn short, the Chinese, specifically their armed forces and their government, are bullshit.",
">\n\nThat's really dumb.",
">\n\nDiplomatic intentions aside... Thats... worryingly close.",
">\n\nWar games. Way closer than normal but this shit happens a bit. Show of force",
">\n\nWe were inverted. I gave them the international sign of diplomacy",
">\n\nSend an A-10 up, let them bump into that.",
">\n\nStandard separation is 5 miles and 3000ft. That's pretty close.",
">\n\nThe bastards did the same to an Aussie aircraft and then released chaff. Luckily the RAAF aircrafts engine was not damaged.",
">\n\nI know this plot of Top Gun",
">\n\nQuestion: Is it possible that this was just a result of the individual flying the jet making a strange decision, or is it likely he was commanded to do this by people higher up in the Chinese military?",
">\n\njets of all nations intercept reconnaissance aircraft when they are flying near domestic waters. the US does exactly the same thing to Russian aircraft off Alaska. the only 'story' here (if you can call it that) is the Chinese jet got a little closer than normal. \nit's a non-event, and not at all unexpected considering the build-up to war over Taiwan. these things will happen more & more until it all kicks off.",
">\n\nNo one's been this close before.",
">\n\nThis dick-measuring contest is so silly",
">\n\nLooks like 2023 has a lot of surprises for us",
">\n\n20 ft, 10 ft, 5 ft, 0 ft, chinese jet crashed into american jet.\nno war, but class war",
">\n\nWithin 10 feet? Alright. I throw a rock at the dude. That’ll show him who’s boss.",
">\n\n10 feet how much is that",
">\n\n3 meters",
">\n\nThey would have got it all if they had been lead by legendary pilot, Wi Tu Lo.",
">\n\nFlying upsidedown on top of the other jet?"
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Firstly this actually an opinion that is unpopular so this post is already better then 80% of posts here.
I would be annoyed if someone just ignores me, but i mean if i personally knew you needed some time to rest and not to expect an early response, i would be ok i guess.
Also, that is why i text people. I know they might not be available, but its so theyll answer when they can.
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Im sure what you said applies to this comment | [
"I'm sorry. What did you say?\nI wasn't paying attention. /s",
">\n\nFirstly this actually an opinion that is unpopular so this post is already better then 80% of posts here.\nI would be annoyed if someone just ignores me, but i mean if i personally knew you needed some time to rest and not to expect an early response, i would be ok i guess.\nAlso, that is why i text people. I know they might not be available, but its so theyll answer when they can.\n9/10 good post",
">\n\nSurprise surprise, another introvert trying to feel special."
] |
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It does, I’m also an introvert and see this shot on Reddit all the time. It’s like people wish they were Dexter Morgan 😒 | [
"I'm sorry. What did you say?\nI wasn't paying attention. /s",
">\n\nFirstly this actually an opinion that is unpopular so this post is already better then 80% of posts here.\nI would be annoyed if someone just ignores me, but i mean if i personally knew you needed some time to rest and not to expect an early response, i would be ok i guess.\nAlso, that is why i text people. I know they might not be available, but its so theyll answer when they can.\n9/10 good post",
">\n\nSurprise surprise, another introvert trying to feel special.",
">\n\nIm sure what you said applies to this comment"
] |
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I wouldnt say that its an absolute rule, but sure. | [
"I'm sorry. What did you say?\nI wasn't paying attention. /s",
">\n\nFirstly this actually an opinion that is unpopular so this post is already better then 80% of posts here.\nI would be annoyed if someone just ignores me, but i mean if i personally knew you needed some time to rest and not to expect an early response, i would be ok i guess.\nAlso, that is why i text people. I know they might not be available, but its so theyll answer when they can.\n9/10 good post",
">\n\nSurprise surprise, another introvert trying to feel special.",
">\n\nIm sure what you said applies to this comment",
">\n\nIt does, I’m also an introvert and see this shot on Reddit all the time. It’s like people wish they were Dexter Morgan 😒"
] |
> | [
"I'm sorry. What did you say?\nI wasn't paying attention. /s",
">\n\nFirstly this actually an opinion that is unpopular so this post is already better then 80% of posts here.\nI would be annoyed if someone just ignores me, but i mean if i personally knew you needed some time to rest and not to expect an early response, i would be ok i guess.\nAlso, that is why i text people. I know they might not be available, but its so theyll answer when they can.\n9/10 good post",
">\n\nSurprise surprise, another introvert trying to feel special.",
">\n\nIm sure what you said applies to this comment",
">\n\nIt does, I’m also an introvert and see this shot on Reddit all the time. It’s like people wish they were Dexter Morgan 😒",
">\n\nI wouldnt say that its an absolute rule, but sure."
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How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after? | [] |
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When he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.
But in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?"
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I am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much! | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth."
] |
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It was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!"
] |
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Why lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half."
] |
>
Yeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why."
] |
>
He must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration."
] |
>
All the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won."
] |
>
Why do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil... | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well."
] |
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looks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....
this is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF? | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil..."
] |
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Of course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?"
] |
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Who even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial."
] |
>
Who cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults."
] |
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Yeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so"
] |
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I think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business."
] |
>
Crack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone! | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers."
] |
>
A perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!"
] |
>
Could teach ethics at Trump University! | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony"
] |
>
I died on 9/11 as well. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!"
] |
>
Did you get better? | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well."
] |
>
Well he was only partially dead | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?"
] |
>
MOSTLY dead | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead"
] |
>
It'd take a miracle. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead"
] |
>
I'm not a witch; I'm your wife! | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle."
] |
>
Remember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system.. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!"
] |
>
if only he yelled, " I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values) | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system.."
] |
>
Well yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course) | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)"
] |
>
Man I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)"
] |
>
On his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.
“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.
So... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11? | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics"
] |
>
Also, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’? | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?"
] |
>
I was born a few years before 9/11...
In 1980
Edit: absolutely loving these responses! | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?"
] |
>
Which was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins! | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!"
] |
>
I too was born in June of 1971! | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!"
] |
>
What a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998 | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!"
] |
>
Hey, right next to me! November of '85!! | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998"
] |
>
I think our mothers met in the hospital in 1976 when I was born up to 15 minutes or more before you were. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998",
">\n\nHey, right next to me! November of '85!!"
] |
>
Yes! My mom shared a room with your mom in 2003 and then sadly passed in on 9/11 | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998",
">\n\nHey, right next to me! November of '85!!",
">\n\nI think our mothers met in the hospital in 1976 when I was born up to 15 minutes or more before you were."
] |
>
Like claiming on his taxes he had zero assets and only a $55k job but simultaneously he's also, "made many millions from own business"? | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998",
">\n\nHey, right next to me! November of '85!!",
">\n\nI think our mothers met in the hospital in 1976 when I was born up to 15 minutes or more before you were.",
">\n\nYes! My mom shared a room with your mom in 2003 and then sadly passed in on 9/11"
] |
>
Man, I wonder where all these shitty Republicans are getting these ideas from that they can lie as freely as they want without any repercussions? | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998",
">\n\nHey, right next to me! November of '85!!",
">\n\nI think our mothers met in the hospital in 1976 when I was born up to 15 minutes or more before you were.",
">\n\nYes! My mom shared a room with your mom in 2003 and then sadly passed in on 9/11",
">\n\nLike claiming on his taxes he had zero assets and only a $55k job but simultaneously he's also, \"made many millions from own business\"?"
] |
>
It's worse than no repercussions, I legitimately believe that deep down the Republican base
actively appreciates politicians who just blatantly lie like this. Just people who look you straight in the fucking face and tell you the sky is green.
Lying constantly is an asset and not a liability for Republican politicians, specifically with the right wing base. They have completely given up on objective reality, if people haven't figured that out yet.
Santos figured it out, that's why he did what he did, and why he's an elected politician now. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998",
">\n\nHey, right next to me! November of '85!!",
">\n\nI think our mothers met in the hospital in 1976 when I was born up to 15 minutes or more before you were.",
">\n\nYes! My mom shared a room with your mom in 2003 and then sadly passed in on 9/11",
">\n\nLike claiming on his taxes he had zero assets and only a $55k job but simultaneously he's also, \"made many millions from own business\"?",
">\n\nMan, I wonder where all these shitty Republicans are getting these ideas from that they can lie as freely as they want without any repercussions?"
] |
>
I'd say they see pulling a fast one on an opponent as a sign of strength, yeah, but also (importantly) they don't think there are any politicians that don't lie. Even the ones they like.
It's basically a truism of conservatives that politicians never tell the truth. They might even like some things Dems say, but since everyone is a liar, there must be some catch. Things can never get better. No politician is really better than another. The world exists as it is, is structured as it is, and we must endure it as it is.
Ultimately I think this mindset is a result of the party itself having essentially no ethical or policy standards that are actually enforced (and to be clear, it's not that I think their ethics have to match mine; it's whether they enforce any ethical standards at all). | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998",
">\n\nHey, right next to me! November of '85!!",
">\n\nI think our mothers met in the hospital in 1976 when I was born up to 15 minutes or more before you were.",
">\n\nYes! My mom shared a room with your mom in 2003 and then sadly passed in on 9/11",
">\n\nLike claiming on his taxes he had zero assets and only a $55k job but simultaneously he's also, \"made many millions from own business\"?",
">\n\nMan, I wonder where all these shitty Republicans are getting these ideas from that they can lie as freely as they want without any repercussions?",
">\n\nIt's worse than no repercussions, I legitimately believe that deep down the Republican base\nactively appreciates politicians who just blatantly lie like this. Just people who look you straight in the fucking face and tell you the sky is green.\nLying constantly is an asset and not a liability for Republican politicians, specifically with the right wing base. They have completely given up on objective reality, if people haven't figured that out yet.\nSantos figured it out, that's why he did what he did, and why he's an elected politician now."
] |
>
And this is by design. If their base believes nothing can be done to make the world better, they it follows that nothing SHOULD be done. Government doing nothing benefits the rich, who CAN do something, while the rest of us sit around with our thumbs up our asses getting robbed blind. Complacency and inaction benefit the rich. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998",
">\n\nHey, right next to me! November of '85!!",
">\n\nI think our mothers met in the hospital in 1976 when I was born up to 15 minutes or more before you were.",
">\n\nYes! My mom shared a room with your mom in 2003 and then sadly passed in on 9/11",
">\n\nLike claiming on his taxes he had zero assets and only a $55k job but simultaneously he's also, \"made many millions from own business\"?",
">\n\nMan, I wonder where all these shitty Republicans are getting these ideas from that they can lie as freely as they want without any repercussions?",
">\n\nIt's worse than no repercussions, I legitimately believe that deep down the Republican base\nactively appreciates politicians who just blatantly lie like this. Just people who look you straight in the fucking face and tell you the sky is green.\nLying constantly is an asset and not a liability for Republican politicians, specifically with the right wing base. They have completely given up on objective reality, if people haven't figured that out yet.\nSantos figured it out, that's why he did what he did, and why he's an elected politician now.",
">\n\nI'd say they see pulling a fast one on an opponent as a sign of strength, yeah, but also (importantly) they don't think there are any politicians that don't lie. Even the ones they like.\nIt's basically a truism of conservatives that politicians never tell the truth. They might even like some things Dems say, but since everyone is a liar, there must be some catch. Things can never get better. No politician is really better than another. The world exists as it is, is structured as it is, and we must endure it as it is.\nUltimately I think this mindset is a result of the party itself having essentially no ethical or policy standards that are actually enforced (and to be clear, it's not that I think their ethics have to match mine; it's whether they enforce any ethical standards at all)."
] |
>
What a piece of shit | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998",
">\n\nHey, right next to me! November of '85!!",
">\n\nI think our mothers met in the hospital in 1976 when I was born up to 15 minutes or more before you were.",
">\n\nYes! My mom shared a room with your mom in 2003 and then sadly passed in on 9/11",
">\n\nLike claiming on his taxes he had zero assets and only a $55k job but simultaneously he's also, \"made many millions from own business\"?",
">\n\nMan, I wonder where all these shitty Republicans are getting these ideas from that they can lie as freely as they want without any repercussions?",
">\n\nIt's worse than no repercussions, I legitimately believe that deep down the Republican base\nactively appreciates politicians who just blatantly lie like this. Just people who look you straight in the fucking face and tell you the sky is green.\nLying constantly is an asset and not a liability for Republican politicians, specifically with the right wing base. They have completely given up on objective reality, if people haven't figured that out yet.\nSantos figured it out, that's why he did what he did, and why he's an elected politician now.",
">\n\nI'd say they see pulling a fast one on an opponent as a sign of strength, yeah, but also (importantly) they don't think there are any politicians that don't lie. Even the ones they like.\nIt's basically a truism of conservatives that politicians never tell the truth. They might even like some things Dems say, but since everyone is a liar, there must be some catch. Things can never get better. No politician is really better than another. The world exists as it is, is structured as it is, and we must endure it as it is.\nUltimately I think this mindset is a result of the party itself having essentially no ethical or policy standards that are actually enforced (and to be clear, it's not that I think their ethics have to match mine; it's whether they enforce any ethical standards at all).",
">\n\nAnd this is by design. If their base believes nothing can be done to make the world better, they it follows that nothing SHOULD be done. Government doing nothing benefits the rich, who CAN do something, while the rest of us sit around with our thumbs up our asses getting robbed blind. Complacency and inaction benefit the rich."
] |
>
TBF she died on 9/11/2016. | [
"How was none of this found out while he was running for office instead of after?",
">\n\nWhen he ran back in 2020, his campaign budget of 40,000 did not help.\nBut in 2022, he had millions in campaign budget and the media cannot simply ignore all thses dough and insult the potential customer with the truth.",
">\n\nI am just surprised no journalist just innocently checking his credentials didn’t stumble onto any of this. There is just so much!",
">\n\nIt was a matter of why would he lie about things so easy to check on let's not waste the 15 minutes on this. Now that he has done this I believe many news sources will fact check work/education. Hell Republicans won't shut up about Biden's claim he graduated in the top half of his class and promptly found out he was 75/83 so not top half.",
">\n\nWhy lie about something so easily fact checked? Well, now we know why.",
">\n\nYeah it opened eyes but seriously most news agencies wouldn't bother to fact check his education and resume because it's publically available info and so easy to check the just made asses of themselves and didn't check. Now that this shit has happened and Santos just basically thumbs his nose at it I am sincerely hoping they check even the most basic simple aspects of candidates now. Hell Santos was born in the 80's and claims to have worked for Reagan's administration.",
">\n\nHe must’ve been laughing every time he made crazy shit up and no one called him out on it-and then he won.",
">\n\nAll the way to the bank. Dude had a 55k a year job and no assets in 2020. This year he's a millionaire who dumped millions into his campaign and no records of where the money came from. He's wanted for fraud in Brazil. And I believe the IRS is now looking into where his money came from and possible tax fraud charges. The FEC is investigating his campaign finances. Hopefully he ends up in jail or extradited to Brazil to face charges there so new York can recall and replace him. His listed residence in NY is an office as well I think not a living quarters so he may be investigated over that as well.",
">\n\nWhy do I get this feeling that he's not even a citizen? I used to be a LEO and people who lie like Santos are always very bad news; either they're Sociopathic, or they have a history of associating with criminals, or possibly both. I think he was big trouble when he was in Brazil...",
">\n\nlooks like mccarthy will keep him around for his upcoming speakership fight....\nthis is the GOP loayalty above quality of character.... WTF?",
">\n\nOf course. They need to waste time and investigate Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next 2 years. They need to know how often he visits pornhub. It’s very crucial.",
">\n\nWho even cares that he likes porn? I'm assuming it's adults.",
">\n\nWho cares if some guy who has no political influence enjoys smoking crack and banging whores, and for some weird reason felt the need to document every time he did so",
">\n\nYeah, I'm not saying Hunter is a great dude. If anything, he needs some help. But I honestly don't really care if he smokes cracks and bangs 30 year old hookers lmao. He's not in office, it's not a political matter. A police matter, maybe, but that's none of my business.",
">\n\nI think we should all have the right to smoke crack and bang 30-year-old hookers.",
">\n\nCrack dealers and 30 year old hookers are this nations backbone!",
">\n\nA perpetual liar….he would fit in great as a trump crony",
">\n\nCould teach ethics at Trump University!",
">\n\nI died on 9/11 as well.",
">\n\nDid you get better?",
">\n\nWell he was only partially dead",
">\n\nMOSTLY dead",
">\n\nIt'd take a miracle.",
">\n\nI'm not a witch; I'm your wife!",
">\n\nRemember when Howard Dean said woohoo too weirdly and he got shit out of the political system..",
">\n\nif only he yelled, \" I grab women by the pussy, and I'm fucking a porn star while my 3rd wife is pregnant, WOOOO\" then he would have become president. (based on the strong family values)",
">\n\nWell yeah, cause “WOOOO” is presidential. It’s the “hoo” part of what Howard Dean said, it was like he was saying “who, who cares?” How can you trust a man that asks “who”??? (/s of course)",
">\n\nMan I wonder if Ric Flair has ever considered a career in politics",
">\n\n\nOn his campaign website, Santos’s team acknowledged that while “George’s mother was in her office in the South Tower on September 11, 2001, when the horrific events of that day unfolded,” she was not among the more than 2,700 people killed at the World Trade Center.\n“She survived the tragic events on September 11th, but she passed away a few years later when she lost her battle to cancer,” the campaign website reads.\n\nSo... how long until we find out she was nowhere near the WTC on 9/11?",
">\n\nAlso, since when is 15 years later a ‘few years’?",
">\n\nI was born a few years before 9/11...\nIn 1980\nEdit: absolutely loving these responses!",
">\n\nWhich was literally right before I was born a few blinks later in 1986! Wow, this new timeline made us twins!",
">\n\nI too was born in June of 1971!",
">\n\nWhat a coincidence, I was born just a six months later in January of 1998",
">\n\nHey, right next to me! November of '85!!",
">\n\nI think our mothers met in the hospital in 1976 when I was born up to 15 minutes or more before you were.",
">\n\nYes! My mom shared a room with your mom in 2003 and then sadly passed in on 9/11",
">\n\nLike claiming on his taxes he had zero assets and only a $55k job but simultaneously he's also, \"made many millions from own business\"?",
">\n\nMan, I wonder where all these shitty Republicans are getting these ideas from that they can lie as freely as they want without any repercussions?",
">\n\nIt's worse than no repercussions, I legitimately believe that deep down the Republican base\nactively appreciates politicians who just blatantly lie like this. Just people who look you straight in the fucking face and tell you the sky is green.\nLying constantly is an asset and not a liability for Republican politicians, specifically with the right wing base. They have completely given up on objective reality, if people haven't figured that out yet.\nSantos figured it out, that's why he did what he did, and why he's an elected politician now.",
">\n\nI'd say they see pulling a fast one on an opponent as a sign of strength, yeah, but also (importantly) they don't think there are any politicians that don't lie. Even the ones they like.\nIt's basically a truism of conservatives that politicians never tell the truth. They might even like some things Dems say, but since everyone is a liar, there must be some catch. Things can never get better. No politician is really better than another. The world exists as it is, is structured as it is, and we must endure it as it is.\nUltimately I think this mindset is a result of the party itself having essentially no ethical or policy standards that are actually enforced (and to be clear, it's not that I think their ethics have to match mine; it's whether they enforce any ethical standards at all).",
">\n\nAnd this is by design. If their base believes nothing can be done to make the world better, they it follows that nothing SHOULD be done. Government doing nothing benefits the rich, who CAN do something, while the rest of us sit around with our thumbs up our asses getting robbed blind. Complacency and inaction benefit the rich.",
">\n\nWhat a piece of shit"
] |
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