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Always explained by experts in "street cred" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real."
] |
>
Sounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies"
] |
>
That's some Breaking Bad shit. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't."
] |
>
Just imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit."
] |
>
I had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking."
] |
>
Thats some cartel shit | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet."
] |
>
Or white supremacist militiamen shit. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit"
] |
>
Found Jussie Smollett’s burner account | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit."
] |
>
This sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account"
] |
>
Sounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen.
This entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life."
] |
>
Thats the cartells for ya.
A coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito abuelta and everyone else inside alone. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life.",
">\n\nSounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. \nThis entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved."
] |
>
Maryvale
There's the problem. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life.",
">\n\nSounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. \nThis entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved.",
">\n\nThats the cartells for ya.\nA coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito abuelta and everyone else inside alone."
] |
>
Classic cartel snatch and grab. Did the dirt and headed back across the border | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life.",
">\n\nSounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. \nThis entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved.",
">\n\nThats the cartells for ya.\nA coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito abuelta and everyone else inside alone.",
">\n\n\nMaryvale\n\nThere's the problem."
] |
>
It can also be cured by decriminalization. Stop treating addicts like criminals unless they hurt others(robbery/theft to support habit, domestic abuse, etc). Get people into treatment when they’re ready instead of throwing them in jail. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life.",
">\n\nSounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. \nThis entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved.",
">\n\nThats the cartells for ya.\nA coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito abuelta and everyone else inside alone.",
">\n\n\nMaryvale\n\nThere's the problem.",
">\n\nClassic cartel snatch and grab. Did the dirt and headed back across the border"
] |
>
I was not trying to treat addicts like criminals, I was pointing to supply/demand at work and the repercussion of illicit drug trade. Alcoholics have full blown options to purchase alcohol at any store and plenty of treatment clinics and liver transplant options. What I was indirectly deducing, is that illegal drug turf war could have been the results of this incident. Or human trafficking. Yes, legalizing all drugs like a true free country, would be ideal. Portugal had pulled the bandaid a long time ago on this and it's doing fine. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life.",
">\n\nSounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. \nThis entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved.",
">\n\nThats the cartells for ya.\nA coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito abuelta and everyone else inside alone.",
">\n\n\nMaryvale\n\nThere's the problem.",
">\n\nClassic cartel snatch and grab. Did the dirt and headed back across the border",
">\n\nIt can also be cured by decriminalization. Stop treating addicts like criminals unless they hurt others(robbery/theft to support habit, domestic abuse, etc). Get people into treatment when they’re ready instead of throwing them in jail."
] |
>
They will not give you a transplant if one is still an alcoholic. | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life.",
">\n\nSounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. \nThis entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved.",
">\n\nThats the cartells for ya.\nA coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito abuelta and everyone else inside alone.",
">\n\n\nMaryvale\n\nThere's the problem.",
">\n\nClassic cartel snatch and grab. Did the dirt and headed back across the border",
">\n\nIt can also be cured by decriminalization. Stop treating addicts like criminals unless they hurt others(robbery/theft to support habit, domestic abuse, etc). Get people into treatment when they’re ready instead of throwing them in jail.",
">\n\nI was not trying to treat addicts like criminals, I was pointing to supply/demand at work and the repercussion of illicit drug trade. Alcoholics have full blown options to purchase alcohol at any store and plenty of treatment clinics and liver transplant options. What I was indirectly deducing, is that illegal drug turf war could have been the results of this incident. Or human trafficking. Yes, legalizing all drugs like a true free country, would be ideal. Portugal had pulled the bandaid a long time ago on this and it's doing fine."
] |
>
only if they know. You can fuck up your liver by taking too many supplements/vitamins and drinking socially :) | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life.",
">\n\nSounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. \nThis entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved.",
">\n\nThats the cartells for ya.\nA coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito abuelta and everyone else inside alone.",
">\n\n\nMaryvale\n\nThere's the problem.",
">\n\nClassic cartel snatch and grab. Did the dirt and headed back across the border",
">\n\nIt can also be cured by decriminalization. Stop treating addicts like criminals unless they hurt others(robbery/theft to support habit, domestic abuse, etc). Get people into treatment when they’re ready instead of throwing them in jail.",
">\n\nI was not trying to treat addicts like criminals, I was pointing to supply/demand at work and the repercussion of illicit drug trade. Alcoholics have full blown options to purchase alcohol at any store and plenty of treatment clinics and liver transplant options. What I was indirectly deducing, is that illegal drug turf war could have been the results of this incident. Or human trafficking. Yes, legalizing all drugs like a true free country, would be ideal. Portugal had pulled the bandaid a long time ago on this and it's doing fine.",
">\n\nThey will not give you a transplant if one is still an alcoholic."
] |
>
Well that’s a capitol murder charge! | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life.",
">\n\nSounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. \nThis entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved.",
">\n\nThats the cartells for ya.\nA coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito abuelta and everyone else inside alone.",
">\n\n\nMaryvale\n\nThere's the problem.",
">\n\nClassic cartel snatch and grab. Did the dirt and headed back across the border",
">\n\nIt can also be cured by decriminalization. Stop treating addicts like criminals unless they hurt others(robbery/theft to support habit, domestic abuse, etc). Get people into treatment when they’re ready instead of throwing them in jail.",
">\n\nI was not trying to treat addicts like criminals, I was pointing to supply/demand at work and the repercussion of illicit drug trade. Alcoholics have full blown options to purchase alcohol at any store and plenty of treatment clinics and liver transplant options. What I was indirectly deducing, is that illegal drug turf war could have been the results of this incident. Or human trafficking. Yes, legalizing all drugs like a true free country, would be ideal. Portugal had pulled the bandaid a long time ago on this and it's doing fine.",
">\n\nThey will not give you a transplant if one is still an alcoholic.",
">\n\nonly if they know. You can fuck up your liver by taking too many supplements/vitamins and drinking socially :)"
] |
> | [
"\"\"It's crazy, because I went to school with him last year,\" said the neighbor who did not want to be identified.\"\nOops.",
">\n\nGood thing there is definitely nothing identifiable there. Bake em away toys!",
">\n\nOh there definitely is, he described how he watched the whole thing outside his window. Not much to narrow down there if you have his high school yearbook.",
">\n\nPoor kid/family….there’s so much crazy shit happening around the valley these days. I lived off of Camelback & 19th and there was someone getting shot or robbed daily it seemed. Hell a kid got killed where I regularly walk my dog…needles everywhere, people walking around like zombies, accosted everywhere you go. It’s a madhouse.",
">\n\nThis is the reason I left the city. I used to live near central. The amount of killings, drugs, and homelessness is crazy. The last straw was when one of my special-needs customers was shot and left for dead in the street this past February.",
">\n\nIn 2002 I decided to move to Washington State just outside of Seattle instead of move to an apartment near 24th Street and Osborn. Part of it was the crime in the area, partly because of education (my oldest was about to go into elementary school) and also thinking about what climate change was going to do to the Valley. I still have a lot of family and friends that live there though, so seeing the area decline makes me so sad and worried for them.",
">\n\n24th and Osborn was always tame (by comparison at least) and has gotten better with its proximity to Arcadia and the Biltmore. East of Central has always been miles above the neighborhoods west of Central.",
">\n\nLmao yeah comparing 24th/Osborn to 19th/Camelback is laughable to anyone familiar with the two areas",
">\n\nOh shit! This happened down the street from the Cardinals stadium in Glendale. Literally 1.5 miles. 91ave and Camelback. It used to be a really nice neighborhood. That whole area has gone downhill since they built the stadium.",
">\n\nWhen is the last time Maryvale was a nice neighborhood?",
">\n\nThis is a different part of Maryvale that was middle class and majority farmland. Prior to the stadium being built. Grew up over there. Lived there before the 101 was built.",
">\n\nI thought Maryvale was 75th Ave and Thomas area ? Was stationed in Phoenix area 97 to 01 time frame. Haven't been there since 03",
">\n\nHonestly, I don’t think a lot of people from this area consider it Maryvale. I honestly didn’t realize it was part of Maryvale until this article and I’ve lived here my whole life.",
">\n\nI just remembered the school... It was in Phoenix though, and 91 ave and camelback is Glendale I think ? That might be the distinction.",
">\n\nWhich one? Westview or Kellis? Kellis is Peoria though.",
">\n\nI was talking about Maryvale school in Phoenix.. I do remember Westview, but I think that was Tolleson district when I was there ?",
">\n\nOh okay. Yes, that’s Tolleson district, but it’s in Phoenix. 107 and Indian School is Phoenix.",
">\n\nThere's a thin official Phoenix district that spans pretty far west.\nEdit: looked it up, District 5",
">\n\nThe hitmen were armed with ar15s and coordinated. Probably cartel related",
">\n\nBruh you can buy that shit at Walmart 💀",
">\n\nNot anymore you cant. Regardless, you and your buddies don't all buy them and coordinate a kidnap and murder just because ar15s are legal. You don't usually need multiple long rifles and a team to kidnap a teenager.",
">\n\nDo you know how much easier it is to buy a gun at the gun show coming up than Walmart? Also sportsman’s warehouse has AR15s out the ass",
">\n\nYea but who spends hundreds of dollars on ar15s with multiple people just to kidnap a teen boy? The only time I've seen teams of violent criminals who weren't white supremacists were cartel. Local gangs usually carry pistols, not rifles.",
">\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? Seems like the kid got involved with something he shouldn't have though.",
">\n\n\nWhy exactly are surveillance cameras still so shitty? \n\nBecause the cost of storing and maintaning 24/7 of good quality HD or 4K video stream is a lot.",
">\n\n1080p with a decent bitrate should be less than 1gb per hour, no? Buying 10tb isn't that expensive, maybe $400. That would let you save 10k hours of footage. Or just buy 1tb for $40 and save 1k hours. Maybe I'm missing something.",
">\n\n1080 H.264 High Quality @ 12FPS is about 2 GB per hour. I work in the industry and people don't understand pixels on target and a lot of other subtilties. Most home cameras don't have great images in low light. Lighting is the problem with these images and that's not as cheap as storage :)",
">\n\nI know that doesn’t say subtitles but i can’t stop reading it as subtitles",
">\n\nI need to use a different word as I made the damn comment and read it the same way.",
">\n\nread that line like 7 times.",
">\n\nProlly the usual, took drugs to sell, lost the goods or decided not to pay back.",
">\n\nYup, thats my thought. Got in too deep playing gangster and owed money to the wrong people. Street Cred is great but street \"justice\" is very real.",
">\n\nAlways explained by experts in \"street cred\" and not kids who get all their information from tv shows and movies",
">\n\nSounds like he fucked around with a drug cartel and then subsequently found out. Hope they find the guys that did it, but they probably won't.",
">\n\nThat's some Breaking Bad shit.",
">\n\nJust imagine raising your child - all those hopes and dreams - shattered. Positively heartbreaking.",
">\n\nI had a friend in HS, late 90's, his whole family was gang affiliated. So, he shows up one day at a park to fight, and some else out of the crowd just shoots him dead, not even 18 yet.",
">\n\nThats some cartel shit",
">\n\nOr white supremacist militiamen shit.",
">\n\nFound Jussie Smollett’s burner account",
">\n\nThis sounds like some kind of action TV show instead of real life.",
">\n\nSounds like a lot of border states honestly. Their homicide rates are low but you see some crazy stories involving kidnapping and murder when they do happen. \nThis entire thing sounds drug related honestly. People armed with assault rifles do a coordinated operation on the residence to kidnap this 17 year old. They shot a person inside but didn't finish them off. Went straight for the 17 year old and escorted him out of the residence into a vehicle at gunpoint. Your typical street beef isn't getting that sophisticated so there is definitely something else involved.",
">\n\nThats the cartells for ya.\nA coworkers uncle got escorted out of his parents house and executed, they left abulito abuelta and everyone else inside alone.",
">\n\n\nMaryvale\n\nThere's the problem.",
">\n\nClassic cartel snatch and grab. Did the dirt and headed back across the border",
">\n\nIt can also be cured by decriminalization. Stop treating addicts like criminals unless they hurt others(robbery/theft to support habit, domestic abuse, etc). Get people into treatment when they’re ready instead of throwing them in jail.",
">\n\nI was not trying to treat addicts like criminals, I was pointing to supply/demand at work and the repercussion of illicit drug trade. Alcoholics have full blown options to purchase alcohol at any store and plenty of treatment clinics and liver transplant options. What I was indirectly deducing, is that illegal drug turf war could have been the results of this incident. Or human trafficking. Yes, legalizing all drugs like a true free country, would be ideal. Portugal had pulled the bandaid a long time ago on this and it's doing fine.",
">\n\nThey will not give you a transplant if one is still an alcoholic.",
">\n\nonly if they know. You can fuck up your liver by taking too many supplements/vitamins and drinking socially :)",
">\n\nWell that’s a capitol murder charge!"
] |
New York finally got a real coffee shop.
With love from Amsterdam | [] |
>
From Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲 | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam"
] |
>
I've been going to "legal" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲"
] |
>
Price. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.
Im in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent. | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be"
] |
>
Guess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent."
] |
>
Now federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy. | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces"
] |
>
remove it from drug testing.
so glad california did this. | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy."
] |
>
My company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing. | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this."
] |
>
Congrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado. | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing."
] |
>
I don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers! | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado."
] |
>
I've been buying my weed over the counter for a year now, does this mean one person decided to actually go through the approval process, pay the fees taxes and greased the right palms?
God NY loves to just create laws that shouldn't exist, let the free market flourish | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado.",
">\n\nI don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers!"
] |
>
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Just smoke the epic weed, dude! | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado.",
">\n\nI don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers!",
">\n\nI've been buying my weed over the counter for a year now, does this mean one person decided to actually go through the approval process, pay the fees taxes and greased the right palms? \nGod NY loves to just create laws that shouldn't exist, let the free market flourish"
] |
>
The problem is they're going to be competing with tons of illegal shops that have been operating for a while now, openly in New York City. Unless the police crack down, legal cannabis has no chance against the black/grey market. | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado.",
">\n\nI don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers!",
">\n\nI've been buying my weed over the counter for a year now, does this mean one person decided to actually go through the approval process, pay the fees taxes and greased the right palms? \nGod NY loves to just create laws that shouldn't exist, let the free market flourish",
">\n\nPay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Just smoke the epic weed, dude!"
] |
>
About 5 years too late lmao
At least this should kick a few of em off kratom | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado.",
">\n\nI don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers!",
">\n\nI've been buying my weed over the counter for a year now, does this mean one person decided to actually go through the approval process, pay the fees taxes and greased the right palms? \nGod NY loves to just create laws that shouldn't exist, let the free market flourish",
">\n\nPay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Just smoke the epic weed, dude!",
">\n\nThe problem is they're going to be competing with tons of illegal shops that have been operating for a while now, openly in New York City. Unless the police crack down, legal cannabis has no chance against the black/grey market."
] |
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Dude looks like he got some bubble tape | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado.",
">\n\nI don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers!",
">\n\nI've been buying my weed over the counter for a year now, does this mean one person decided to actually go through the approval process, pay the fees taxes and greased the right palms? \nGod NY loves to just create laws that shouldn't exist, let the free market flourish",
">\n\nPay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Just smoke the epic weed, dude!",
">\n\nThe problem is they're going to be competing with tons of illegal shops that have been operating for a while now, openly in New York City. Unless the police crack down, legal cannabis has no chance against the black/grey market.",
">\n\nAbout 5 years too late lmao\nAt least this should kick a few of em off kratom"
] |
>
Can we go back to Time Square smelling like piss now? | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado.",
">\n\nI don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers!",
">\n\nI've been buying my weed over the counter for a year now, does this mean one person decided to actually go through the approval process, pay the fees taxes and greased the right palms? \nGod NY loves to just create laws that shouldn't exist, let the free market flourish",
">\n\nPay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Just smoke the epic weed, dude!",
">\n\nThe problem is they're going to be competing with tons of illegal shops that have been operating for a while now, openly in New York City. Unless the police crack down, legal cannabis has no chance against the black/grey market.",
">\n\nAbout 5 years too late lmao\nAt least this should kick a few of em off kratom",
">\n\nDude looks like he got some bubble tape"
] |
>
And I’ll still call in my orders to the same place I always did because dispensaries are low quality, high prices, shit service. | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado.",
">\n\nI don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers!",
">\n\nI've been buying my weed over the counter for a year now, does this mean one person decided to actually go through the approval process, pay the fees taxes and greased the right palms? \nGod NY loves to just create laws that shouldn't exist, let the free market flourish",
">\n\nPay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Just smoke the epic weed, dude!",
">\n\nThe problem is they're going to be competing with tons of illegal shops that have been operating for a while now, openly in New York City. Unless the police crack down, legal cannabis has no chance against the black/grey market.",
">\n\nAbout 5 years too late lmao\nAt least this should kick a few of em off kratom",
">\n\nDude looks like he got some bubble tape",
">\n\nCan we go back to Time Square smelling like piss now?"
] |
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No one will buy at the "legal" places when you can go black market for a better deal. Weed is all over NY. | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado.",
">\n\nI don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers!",
">\n\nI've been buying my weed over the counter for a year now, does this mean one person decided to actually go through the approval process, pay the fees taxes and greased the right palms? \nGod NY loves to just create laws that shouldn't exist, let the free market flourish",
">\n\nPay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Just smoke the epic weed, dude!",
">\n\nThe problem is they're going to be competing with tons of illegal shops that have been operating for a while now, openly in New York City. Unless the police crack down, legal cannabis has no chance against the black/grey market.",
">\n\nAbout 5 years too late lmao\nAt least this should kick a few of em off kratom",
">\n\nDude looks like he got some bubble tape",
">\n\nCan we go back to Time Square smelling like piss now?",
">\n\nAnd I’ll still call in my orders to the same place I always did because dispensaries are low quality, high prices, shit service."
] |
> | [
"New York finally got a real coffee shop.\nWith love from Amsterdam",
">\n\nFrom Amsterdam to New Amsterdam. You love to see it. 🥲",
">\n\nI've been going to \"legal\" sticker shops now for a year. I'm curious how different the dispensaries experience will be",
">\n\nPrice. Sticker shops aren't paying the high taxes a legal place has too.\nIm in Buffalo and fully expect to see sticker stores being targeted when they start opening the legal dispensaries here. The police in outlying suburbs (Cheektowaga) have already raided a sticker store/shut it down, so there is precedent.",
">\n\nGuess it's time to stock up on those $50 ounces",
">\n\nNow federally decriminalize it and remove it from drug testing. Even Canada considers it a breach of personal privacy.",
">\n\n\nremove it from drug testing.\n\nso glad california did this.",
">\n\nMy company stopped testing for it over 2 years ago. They got tired of over 70% of applicants failing.",
">\n\nCongrats! You're about to pay more in taxes than you do for the weed itself. Keep your old dealers number handy. Love- Colorado.",
">\n\nI don't know what those taxes go to in Colorado but in California we've dumped a fuck ton of that money into revamping schools. Of course we still don't pay our teachers shit, but they have nicer areas under construction in probably half the schools in our county. We even put air conditioning in their trailers!",
">\n\nI've been buying my weed over the counter for a year now, does this mean one person decided to actually go through the approval process, pay the fees taxes and greased the right palms? \nGod NY loves to just create laws that shouldn't exist, let the free market flourish",
">\n\nPay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Just smoke the epic weed, dude!",
">\n\nThe problem is they're going to be competing with tons of illegal shops that have been operating for a while now, openly in New York City. Unless the police crack down, legal cannabis has no chance against the black/grey market.",
">\n\nAbout 5 years too late lmao\nAt least this should kick a few of em off kratom",
">\n\nDude looks like he got some bubble tape",
">\n\nCan we go back to Time Square smelling like piss now?",
">\n\nAnd I’ll still call in my orders to the same place I always did because dispensaries are low quality, high prices, shit service.",
">\n\nNo one will buy at the \"legal\" places when you can go black market for a better deal. Weed is all over NY."
] |
What kind of armaments do you imagine Ukraine having that could make a harbour unusable?
They might be able to take out a few warehouses, maybe a bit of rail or if they hit the harbour with everything they have a pier.
You need some serious tonnage to make a harbour unusable. Like nuke scale tonnage and even that would probably only make the harbour unusable due to radiation. It's like trying to sink a piece of land. | [] |
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"What kind of armaments do you imagine Ukraine having that could make a harbour unusable? \nThey might be able to take out a few warehouses, maybe a bit of rail or if they hit the harbour with everything they have a pier.\nYou need some serious tonnage to make a harbour unusable. Like nuke scale tonnage and even that would probably only make the harbour unusable due to radiation. It's like trying to sink a piece of land."
] |
Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?
No telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call. | [] |
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And to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder.
Can't believe Republicans were defending them. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call."
] |
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Republicans were defending them.
they never turn on their own. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them."
] |
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That's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who "loses." | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own."
] |
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simple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team
¯\(ツ)/¯ | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\""
] |
>
So getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok? | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯"
] |
>
By "moronic friends" I assume you are talking about the federal agents. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?"
] |
>
You know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents."
] |
>
They literally set it up. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone."
] |
>
If someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.
If someone asks, "Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?" and you say, "Bet, I'm in", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.
These idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you? | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up."
] |
>
The FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?"
] |
>
good | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures."
] |
>
Assuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood"
] |
>
Could be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm."
] |
>
If the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon."
] |
>
He probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president."
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She'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected."
] |
>
Yup. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is."
] |
>
Nobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it! | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup."
] |
>
Kidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices.
Naturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!"
] |
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he'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded."
] |
>
The good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.
So he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial) | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts."
] |
>
That’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)"
] |
>
I didn't know you didn't know that! | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this"
] |
>
I suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!"
] |
>
Let’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.
Edit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom."
] |
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I wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language."
] |
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FBI involvement going to be addressed? | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime."
] |
>
Half were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?"
] |
>
Facts. I bet they ain't getting hit | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol"
] |
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Big Meech got 27 smh | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit"
] |
>
Such a wild story. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit",
">\n\nBig Meech got 27 smh"
] |
>
God she's such a nasty piece of shit. Hope she rots in hell for all the senior citizens she killed! | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit",
">\n\nBig Meech got 27 smh",
">\n\nSuch a wild story."
] |
>
Wasn’t he with Antifa? | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit",
">\n\nBig Meech got 27 smh",
">\n\nSuch a wild story.",
">\n\nGod she's such a nasty piece of shit. Hope she rots in hell for all the senior citizens she killed!"
] |
>
An FBI agent got 19.5 years? Wow... | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit",
">\n\nBig Meech got 27 smh",
">\n\nSuch a wild story.",
">\n\nGod she's such a nasty piece of shit. Hope she rots in hell for all the senior citizens she killed!",
">\n\nWasn’t he with Antifa?"
] |
>
Are you missing something? | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit",
">\n\nBig Meech got 27 smh",
">\n\nSuch a wild story.",
">\n\nGod she's such a nasty piece of shit. Hope she rots in hell for all the senior citizens she killed!",
">\n\nWasn’t he with Antifa?",
">\n\nAn FBI agent got 19.5 years? Wow..."
] |
>
Yes. | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit",
">\n\nBig Meech got 27 smh",
">\n\nSuch a wild story.",
">\n\nGod she's such a nasty piece of shit. Hope she rots in hell for all the senior citizens she killed!",
">\n\nWasn’t he with Antifa?",
">\n\nAn FBI agent got 19.5 years? Wow...",
">\n\nAre you missing something?"
] |
>
Who was setup by the FBI | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit",
">\n\nBig Meech got 27 smh",
">\n\nSuch a wild story.",
">\n\nGod she's such a nasty piece of shit. Hope she rots in hell for all the senior citizens she killed!",
">\n\nWasn’t he with Antifa?",
">\n\nAn FBI agent got 19.5 years? Wow...",
">\n\nAre you missing something?",
">\n\nYes."
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Nobody | [
"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit",
">\n\nBig Meech got 27 smh",
">\n\nSuch a wild story.",
">\n\nGod she's such a nasty piece of shit. Hope she rots in hell for all the senior citizens she killed!",
">\n\nWasn’t he with Antifa?",
">\n\nAn FBI agent got 19.5 years? Wow...",
">\n\nAre you missing something?",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWho was setup by the FBI"
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"Imagine, she's trying to protect people of her state from an airborne illness, and their only retort is to try and kidnap then murder her?\nNo telling what other dangers they posed to society at large. This was a good call.",
">\n\nAnd to attempt a coup. It was broader than mere kidnap/murder. \nCan't believe Republicans were defending them.",
">\n\n\nRepublicans were defending them.\n\nthey never turn on their own.",
">\n\nThat's objectively false. They will turn on anyone who \"loses.\"",
">\n\nsimple, cause once they lose, they're no longer on their team \n¯\\(ツ)/¯",
">\n\nSo getting your moronic friends to show up armed to kidnap a governor because your candidates lost is not ok?",
">\n\nBy \"moronic friends\" I assume you are talking about the federal agents.",
">\n\nYou know, a federal agent catching you in a sting operation where you wanted to kidnap and kill someone doesn't really invalidate the fact you wanted to kidnap and kill someone.",
">\n\nThey literally set it up.",
">\n\nIf someone asks you to pick their car up from the mechanic and unbeknownst to you there are illegal drugs in the trunk, that's a setup.\nIf someone asks, \"Hey, want to kidnap and murder someone?\" and you say, \"Bet, I'm in\", guess what? All it took for you to kidnap and murder someone was being asked. You're still the bad guy.\nThese idiots were willing to kidnap and murder someone and you're upset that they got caught. What does that say about you?",
">\n\nThe FBI instigated the whole plot, as occurs with numerous supposed plots to harm politic figures.",
">\n\ngood",
">\n\nAssuming he serves the entire sentence, he will be 66 when he gets out. Still capable of causing harm.",
">\n\nCould be a lot less if the next GOP president gives him a pardon.",
">\n\nIf the guy was sentenced in a state court he can’t be pardoned by the president.",
">\n\nHe probably could have spent less than 19.5 years removing her by helping to someone else get elected.",
">\n\nShe'll also be replaced by someone else in much less than 19.5 years so that would've happened even if he just sat his ass at home like the hermit that he is.",
">\n\nYup.",
">\n\nNobody tries to kidnap big Gretch and gets away with it!",
">\n\nKidnapper apologists couldn’t resist yet again shilling in the comments for their favorite anti-public health thugs…and demonstrating utter ignorance of long-standing, legitimate law enforcement practices. \nNaturally, if it had been a group of thugs plotting to kidnap a Republican Governor, these kidnapper apologists’ pitchforks would be out, squawking “LOCK THEM UP” with zero due process afforded.",
">\n\nhe'll probably get special treatment by sympathetic guards, make a bunch of new nazi connections, and get out in 5 years for 'good behavior' with a whole lot of new contacts.",
">\n\nThe good behavior credit for federal time is 54 days per year.\nSo he's doing at least 15 years unless he gives the feds something very valuable and they ask a judge to and his sentence (Assuming 1 year in prison awaiting trial)",
">\n\nThat’s super interesting I didn’t know there was a credit system like this",
">\n\nI didn't know you didn't know that!",
">\n\nI suspect someone in prison will kidnap his anus and hold it for ransom.",
">\n\nLet’s not make rape jokes. No one deserves to be raped.\nEdit: you definitely phrased it like a joke, using the parallel between his kidnapping plot, to him being “owned,” by another person. We shouldn’t normalize this kind of language.",
">\n\nI wasn’t joking. This is a likely outcome of incarceration. If you can’t do the time, you can’t do the crime.",
">\n\nFBI involvement going to be addressed?",
">\n\nHalf were FBI, thats not a plot that's a setup lol",
">\n\nFacts. I bet they ain't getting hit",
">\n\nBig Meech got 27 smh",
">\n\nSuch a wild story.",
">\n\nGod she's such a nasty piece of shit. Hope she rots in hell for all the senior citizens she killed!",
">\n\nWasn’t he with Antifa?",
">\n\nAn FBI agent got 19.5 years? Wow...",
">\n\nAre you missing something?",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWho was setup by the FBI",
">\n\nNobody"
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Domestic violence against women is over-reported
What do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?
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Do you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view? | [
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I watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case. | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?"
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So you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?
Verbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery. | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case."
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Yeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery."
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Well, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.”
And your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime? | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse"
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Also worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things. | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?"
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Firstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.
Secondly, you use "report" and not "experience". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.
Yes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently. | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things."
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U can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something.
also u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here. | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently."
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The only way you over report it is by throwing in a fuck ton of false reports but given the amount you'd need to make a meaningful difference in reporting numbers I don't buy it. | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently.",
">\n\nU can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something. \nalso u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here."
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Ok yeah so that supports the idea mens rates are underreported, something I agree with. That said, I don't think women's are "overreported" | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently.",
">\n\nU can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something. \nalso u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here.",
">\n\nThe only way you over report it is by throwing in a fuck ton of false reports but given the amount you'd need to make a meaningful difference in reporting numbers I don't buy it."
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Okay I take the statement that women are overreperted back as I understand that most reports are genuine and false report (in order to victimize themselves) is not large enough to affect the large imagine / data. | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently.",
">\n\nU can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something. \nalso u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here.",
">\n\nThe only way you over report it is by throwing in a fuck ton of false reports but given the amount you'd need to make a meaningful difference in reporting numbers I don't buy it.",
">\n\nOk yeah so that supports the idea mens rates are underreported, something I agree with. That said, I don't think women's are \"overreported\""
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently.",
">\n\nU can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something. \nalso u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here.",
">\n\nThe only way you over report it is by throwing in a fuck ton of false reports but given the amount you'd need to make a meaningful difference in reporting numbers I don't buy it.",
">\n\nOk yeah so that supports the idea mens rates are underreported, something I agree with. That said, I don't think women's are \"overreported\"",
">\n\nΔ \nOkay I take the statement that women are overreperted back as I understand that most reports are genuine and false report (in order to victimize themselves) is not large enough to affect the large imagine / data."
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Why do you think it's unintentional? | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently.",
">\n\nU can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something. \nalso u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here.",
">\n\nThe only way you over report it is by throwing in a fuck ton of false reports but given the amount you'd need to make a meaningful difference in reporting numbers I don't buy it.",
">\n\nOk yeah so that supports the idea mens rates are underreported, something I agree with. That said, I don't think women's are \"overreported\"",
">\n\nΔ \nOkay I take the statement that women are overreperted back as I understand that most reports are genuine and false report (in order to victimize themselves) is not large enough to affect the large imagine / data.",
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Women are a lot more engaged in verbal/psychological abuse and toxic controlling behavior compare to men,
Here's the thing though---that's not illegal. What would the police do about it?
men will often regard minor (means small, not the age minor) abuse as acceptable while women will not accept minor abuse
I'm not sure what to do about this. Is there a way to convince men to find this behavior less acceptable? Do you have any ideas? | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently.",
">\n\nU can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something. \nalso u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here.",
">\n\nThe only way you over report it is by throwing in a fuck ton of false reports but given the amount you'd need to make a meaningful difference in reporting numbers I don't buy it.",
">\n\nOk yeah so that supports the idea mens rates are underreported, something I agree with. That said, I don't think women's are \"overreported\"",
">\n\nΔ \nOkay I take the statement that women are overreperted back as I understand that most reports are genuine and false report (in order to victimize themselves) is not large enough to affect the large imagine / data.",
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">\n\nWhy do you think it's unintentional?"
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Idk, we've seen people convicted of coercing others to commit suicide. I could see a scenario where they're charged with inflicting that level of mental harm intentionally. | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently.",
">\n\nU can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something. \nalso u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here.",
">\n\nThe only way you over report it is by throwing in a fuck ton of false reports but given the amount you'd need to make a meaningful difference in reporting numbers I don't buy it.",
">\n\nOk yeah so that supports the idea mens rates are underreported, something I agree with. That said, I don't think women's are \"overreported\"",
">\n\nΔ \nOkay I take the statement that women are overreperted back as I understand that most reports are genuine and false report (in order to victimize themselves) is not large enough to affect the large imagine / data.",
">\n\nHello /u/CarsAndSpeeds, if your view has been changed or adjusted in any way, you should award the user who changed your view a delta. \nSimply reply to their comment with the delta symbol provided below, being sure to include a brief description of how your view has changed.\n\n∆\n\nor \n\n!delta\n\nFor more information about deltas, use this link. \nIf you did not change your view, please respond to this comment indicating as such! \nAs a reminder, failure to award a delta when it is warranted may merit a post removal and a rule violation. Repeated rule violations in a short period of time may merit a ban. \nThank you!",
">\n\nWhy do you think it's unintentional?",
">\n\n\nWomen are a lot more engaged in verbal/psychological abuse and toxic controlling behavior compare to men,\n\nHere's the thing though---that's not illegal. What would the police do about it?\n\nmen will often regard minor (means small, not the age minor) abuse as acceptable while women will not accept minor abuse\n\nI'm not sure what to do about this. Is there a way to convince men to find this behavior less acceptable? Do you have any ideas?"
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Men underreporting domestic violence its one branch of men generally not reporting nor informing anyone about personal struggles due to social estigmas.
Men are generally still view in a very patriarcal lense compared to women, this means that men are still judged for being weak, afraid, insecure, and vulnerable. and men experiment extreme shame from this.
Domestic violence its just one branch, but for example In suicide, women report over 3 times more than men that they experience frequent suicide ideation, however 80% of total suicides are from men, showing the enormous discrepancy between reporting mental issues and how much there in men.
There is also a gender bias in current politics, since social movements for equality are more or less dominated by feminism, and although feminism would like to deny this, I do believe that feminism its very gynocentric. which means its about equality for women issues first and foremost.
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Howrever this patriarcal issues stem from very ancient roles we, even as before we were humans have taken, society its moving towards equality and we all want that, but men are far left behind, women don´t underreport, women are years ahead of us in terms of equality and they feel free to do so. we need to strive to live in a just world like them were we are treated fairly if we are vulnerable men. | [
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently.",
">\n\nU can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something. \nalso u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here.",
">\n\nThe only way you over report it is by throwing in a fuck ton of false reports but given the amount you'd need to make a meaningful difference in reporting numbers I don't buy it.",
">\n\nOk yeah so that supports the idea mens rates are underreported, something I agree with. That said, I don't think women's are \"overreported\"",
">\n\nΔ \nOkay I take the statement that women are overreperted back as I understand that most reports are genuine and false report (in order to victimize themselves) is not large enough to affect the large imagine / data.",
">\n\nHello /u/CarsAndSpeeds, if your view has been changed or adjusted in any way, you should award the user who changed your view a delta. \nSimply reply to their comment with the delta symbol provided below, being sure to include a brief description of how your view has changed.\n\n∆\n\nor \n\n!delta\n\nFor more information about deltas, use this link. \nIf you did not change your view, please respond to this comment indicating as such! \nAs a reminder, failure to award a delta when it is warranted may merit a post removal and a rule violation. Repeated rule violations in a short period of time may merit a ban. \nThank you!",
">\n\nWhy do you think it's unintentional?",
">\n\n\nWomen are a lot more engaged in verbal/psychological abuse and toxic controlling behavior compare to men,\n\nHere's the thing though---that's not illegal. What would the police do about it?\n\nmen will often regard minor (means small, not the age minor) abuse as acceptable while women will not accept minor abuse\n\nI'm not sure what to do about this. Is there a way to convince men to find this behavior less acceptable? Do you have any ideas?",
">\n\nIdk, we've seen people convicted of coercing others to commit suicide. I could see a scenario where they're charged with inflicting that level of mental harm intentionally."
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">\n\n\nDomestic violence against women is over-reported\n\nWhat do you mean by this? That you believe there is a chronic issue of women just lying about abuse at a systemic level?\nBecause calling it 'over reported' implies you think the number of abused women is too high.",
">\n\nDo you have any peer-reviewed studies to support your view?",
">\n\nI watched Ben Shapiro’s show and in one of them (my bad I forgot which one) he had stated that mens are more prone to verbal abuse compared to women and are less likely to report their abuse. Familiar things were also said by a LEFTIST Vaush on his YouTube when he discussing the Johnny VS Amber case.",
">\n\nSo you’re ignoring the actual evidence in favor of something you think you remember hearing on a YouTube video?\nVerbal abuse is not generally a crime. Physical abuse is. If a woman makes a mean comment to her boyfriend, what crime is there to report? If a guy hits his girlfriend, that’s battery.",
">\n\nYeah I agree verbal abuse might not be crime but it is still a type of domestic violence, one of my friend grow up in China and he knew how bad it can be as he were often yelled at with vicious words by teacher for minor infractions and parent. Many girlfriends do this instead of beating their boyfriends which is not crime but I believe it is still a form of domestic abuse",
">\n\nWell, sure, all kinds of abuse are bad. But words aren’t “violence.” \nAnd your claim in this thread is that “domestic violence reports” are skewed. But why would verbal abuse get reported to the police at all if it’s not a crime? You’re arguing that there should be more police reports made against women who didn’t commit a crime?",
">\n\nAlso worth pointing out that domestic abuse and domestic violence are two different but related things.",
">\n\nFirstly, all data would suggest that domestic violence across the board is underreported. I'd suggest you first change your view to focus on the relative difference between male/female and female/male domestic violence. This has been widely research and non-report is the most common outcome of any form of domestic violence.\nSecondly, you use \"report\" and not \"experience\". the prevailing perspective is that 1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women experience domestic violence. These are vastly short of reported numbers. This data comes from methods of gathering that dont' have social repurcussions and are more likely to be accurate than actual reports which invoke shame/social-embarassment etc. to your points.\nYes, physical violence is treated differently than emotional. It is much more dangerous to exit a physically abusive relataionship safely than one that is emotionally abusive. The types of interventions and need for escalation by our limited resources do skew in that direction and likely does hit the genders differently.",
">\n\nU can’t over report crime. U can under report it yea, not over. Men’s Is almost certainly under reported, but u can’t over report something. \nalso u kinda are anti feminist as there is still a gender gap in Western European country’s. Including the UK. there’s definitely internalised msyogony and sexism rife here.",
">\n\nThe only way you over report it is by throwing in a fuck ton of false reports but given the amount you'd need to make a meaningful difference in reporting numbers I don't buy it.",
">\n\nOk yeah so that supports the idea mens rates are underreported, something I agree with. That said, I don't think women's are \"overreported\"",
">\n\nΔ \nOkay I take the statement that women are overreperted back as I understand that most reports are genuine and false report (in order to victimize themselves) is not large enough to affect the large imagine / data.",
">\n\nHello /u/CarsAndSpeeds, if your view has been changed or adjusted in any way, you should award the user who changed your view a delta. \nSimply reply to their comment with the delta symbol provided below, being sure to include a brief description of how your view has changed.\n\n∆\n\nor \n\n!delta\n\nFor more information about deltas, use this link. \nIf you did not change your view, please respond to this comment indicating as such! \nAs a reminder, failure to award a delta when it is warranted may merit a post removal and a rule violation. Repeated rule violations in a short period of time may merit a ban. \nThank you!",
">\n\nWhy do you think it's unintentional?",
">\n\n\nWomen are a lot more engaged in verbal/psychological abuse and toxic controlling behavior compare to men,\n\nHere's the thing though---that's not illegal. What would the police do about it?\n\nmen will often regard minor (means small, not the age minor) abuse as acceptable while women will not accept minor abuse\n\nI'm not sure what to do about this. Is there a way to convince men to find this behavior less acceptable? Do you have any ideas?",
">\n\nIdk, we've seen people convicted of coercing others to commit suicide. I could see a scenario where they're charged with inflicting that level of mental harm intentionally.",
">\n\nMen underreporting domestic violence its one branch of men generally not reporting nor informing anyone about personal struggles due to social estigmas.\nMen are generally still view in a very patriarcal lense compared to women, this means that men are still judged for being weak, afraid, insecure, and vulnerable. and men experiment extreme shame from this.\nDomestic violence its just one branch, but for example In suicide, women report over 3 times more than men that they experience frequent suicide ideation, however 80% of total suicides are from men, showing the enormous discrepancy between reporting mental issues and how much there in men.\nThere is also a gender bias in current politics, since social movements for equality are more or less dominated by feminism, and although feminism would like to deny this, I do believe that feminism its very gynocentric. which means its about equality for women issues first and foremost.\n...\nHowrever this patriarcal issues stem from very ancient roles we, even as before we were humans have taken, society its moving towards equality and we all want that, but men are far left behind, women don´t underreport, women are years ahead of us in terms of equality and they feel free to do so. we need to strive to live in a just world like them were we are treated fairly if we are vulnerable men."
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