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Vote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!"
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Government represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action.
90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret."
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Old folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc."
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Old people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously."
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Since everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.
I suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.
Also, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way."
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FWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense."
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It's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.
People saying "they vote" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans."
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In terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced."
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There is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day."
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You got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/
Show me proof 55 plus has rent at 30%
goooooo
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well."
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A lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.
History has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo"
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I hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.
I had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice."
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We research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling."
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Let’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic."
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Younger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.
Having said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders.
My opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.
"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?"
Why YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.
They do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.
VOTE
Like Obama says
Don't complain! VOTE
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes."
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If you are old and retired you have no easy way of augmenting your income to combat inflation. You lack energy and health. But what they do have is time.
We should minimize the handouts to those that need them. Rent control has many bad consequences, mainly they lead to poor upkeep and maintenance as well as a disincentive to building.
What we need is more building. We need more supply. And there are problems there if all they build is single family homes. Unfortunately, the Fed is working against the housing crisis. Basically, there idea is that if the economy is inflated on one side and deflated on the other, on average things are fine, instead of crap everywhere for different reasons.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.",
">\n\nYounger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.\nHaving said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders. \nMy opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.\n\"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?\"\nWhy YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.\nThey do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.\nVOTE\nLike Obama says\nDon't complain! VOTE"
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When we 'older folk' were growing up in the early 70's, we saw affordable housing being built everywhere we went. No one wanted to move into them because of their notoriety of being slums. As government got better, so did the housing. I currently live in sec 8 and have to say, some are good and some are still bad.
Every sec 8 community has their rules on who can live where. In our townhouses only families can live there, but in the 10 story highrise, anyone can live here as long as they're a senior or disabled. There are communities that allow young low income status to live there.
It's all a matter of your needs and how much you research. Back in my day we didn't have internet. We had to go to the library and use a card catalog (look it up, you'll laugh). It took me 8months to find my community but there is now an 8year wait.
This is a perfect setup for me. I no longer have to shovel the sidewalk, we have knowledgeable young men who can fix damned near anything and I have met many nice people. In fact, a few of my high school classmates live here now.
I am 65 and my son is 29. Him and all of his friends vote every election. In 47years I have missed one election and I was in the hospital after a head on car accident. Voting, and voting for the candidate best for you is key. You don't vote for a candidate who wants to disregard disabled and seniors to save money. Seniors and disabled people are under attack as we speak. I must say that the people of New York didn't do their research on one newbie in the house. I did and found him to be as he has presented himself - a liar. Do you want people like that to rule on your destiny?
Anyway, be good to your parents and grandparents. Allow them to live in a nice place. A law was passed in the late 90's stating that pets must be allowed in sec 8. But, absolutely no guns or MedMar. We're fighting to get those two removed from federal policy. There's always something that needs to be corrected or added to that makes our end of life better. Since We The People pay for these elected yahoos, it is up to us to make sure they listen. They're not listening and we must remind them who's boss.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.",
">\n\nYounger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.\nHaving said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders. \nMy opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.\n\"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?\"\nWhy YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.\nThey do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.\nVOTE\nLike Obama says\nDon't complain! VOTE",
">\n\nIf you are old and retired you have no easy way of augmenting your income to combat inflation. You lack energy and health. But what they do have is time. \nWe should minimize the handouts to those that need them. Rent control has many bad consequences, mainly they lead to poor upkeep and maintenance as well as a disincentive to building. \nWhat we need is more building. We need more supply. And there are problems there if all they build is single family homes. Unfortunately, the Fed is working against the housing crisis. Basically, there idea is that if the economy is inflated on one side and deflated on the other, on average things are fine, instead of crap everywhere for different reasons."
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They do it though using great numbers and voting for people who will work for them, not against them.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.",
">\n\nYounger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.\nHaving said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders. \nMy opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.\n\"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?\"\nWhy YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.\nThey do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.\nVOTE\nLike Obama says\nDon't complain! VOTE",
">\n\nIf you are old and retired you have no easy way of augmenting your income to combat inflation. You lack energy and health. But what they do have is time. \nWe should minimize the handouts to those that need them. Rent control has many bad consequences, mainly they lead to poor upkeep and maintenance as well as a disincentive to building. \nWhat we need is more building. We need more supply. And there are problems there if all they build is single family homes. Unfortunately, the Fed is working against the housing crisis. Basically, there idea is that if the economy is inflated on one side and deflated on the other, on average things are fine, instead of crap everywhere for different reasons.",
">\n\nWhen we 'older folk' were growing up in the early 70's, we saw affordable housing being built everywhere we went. No one wanted to move into them because of their notoriety of being slums. As government got better, so did the housing. I currently live in sec 8 and have to say, some are good and some are still bad.\nEvery sec 8 community has their rules on who can live where. In our townhouses only families can live there, but in the 10 story highrise, anyone can live here as long as they're a senior or disabled. There are communities that allow young low income status to live there.\nIt's all a matter of your needs and how much you research. Back in my day we didn't have internet. We had to go to the library and use a card catalog (look it up, you'll laugh). It took me 8months to find my community but there is now an 8year wait.\nThis is a perfect setup for me. I no longer have to shovel the sidewalk, we have knowledgeable young men who can fix damned near anything and I have met many nice people. In fact, a few of my high school classmates live here now.\nI am 65 and my son is 29. Him and all of his friends vote every election. In 47years I have missed one election and I was in the hospital after a head on car accident. Voting, and voting for the candidate best for you is key. You don't vote for a candidate who wants to disregard disabled and seniors to save money. Seniors and disabled people are under attack as we speak. I must say that the people of New York didn't do their research on one newbie in the house. I did and found him to be as he has presented himself - a liar. Do you want people like that to rule on your destiny?\nAnyway, be good to your parents and grandparents. Allow them to live in a nice place. A law was passed in the late 90's stating that pets must be allowed in sec 8. But, absolutely no guns or MedMar. We're fighting to get those two removed from federal policy. There's always something that needs to be corrected or added to that makes our end of life better. Since We The People pay for these elected yahoos, it is up to us to make sure they listen. They're not listening and we must remind them who's boss."
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When baby boomers were the age of today's millennials, they owned 21% of the countries wealth. Millennials own just 5%. Turns out, when you dominate economics and politics you get preferential treatment.
These policies started when the baby boomers were young, and will end after they pass. The Fair Housing Act was passed when Baby Boomers were just entering adulthood. Social Security Amendments of 1965 and 1972 also happened in this time period.
Millennials are treated as irrelevant not just because they don't vote, but because the wealth they would have earned has gone back to their parent's generation. They don't get promoted to managerial or executive positions. They couldn't buy a house young.
If you want the younger generations to have a say in their own future, they need the wealth to lobby for it.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.",
">\n\nYounger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.\nHaving said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders. \nMy opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.\n\"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?\"\nWhy YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.\nThey do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.\nVOTE\nLike Obama says\nDon't complain! VOTE",
">\n\nIf you are old and retired you have no easy way of augmenting your income to combat inflation. You lack energy and health. But what they do have is time. \nWe should minimize the handouts to those that need them. Rent control has many bad consequences, mainly they lead to poor upkeep and maintenance as well as a disincentive to building. \nWhat we need is more building. We need more supply. And there are problems there if all they build is single family homes. Unfortunately, the Fed is working against the housing crisis. Basically, there idea is that if the economy is inflated on one side and deflated on the other, on average things are fine, instead of crap everywhere for different reasons.",
">\n\nWhen we 'older folk' were growing up in the early 70's, we saw affordable housing being built everywhere we went. No one wanted to move into them because of their notoriety of being slums. As government got better, so did the housing. I currently live in sec 8 and have to say, some are good and some are still bad.\nEvery sec 8 community has their rules on who can live where. In our townhouses only families can live there, but in the 10 story highrise, anyone can live here as long as they're a senior or disabled. There are communities that allow young low income status to live there.\nIt's all a matter of your needs and how much you research. Back in my day we didn't have internet. We had to go to the library and use a card catalog (look it up, you'll laugh). It took me 8months to find my community but there is now an 8year wait.\nThis is a perfect setup for me. I no longer have to shovel the sidewalk, we have knowledgeable young men who can fix damned near anything and I have met many nice people. In fact, a few of my high school classmates live here now.\nI am 65 and my son is 29. Him and all of his friends vote every election. In 47years I have missed one election and I was in the hospital after a head on car accident. Voting, and voting for the candidate best for you is key. You don't vote for a candidate who wants to disregard disabled and seniors to save money. Seniors and disabled people are under attack as we speak. I must say that the people of New York didn't do their research on one newbie in the house. I did and found him to be as he has presented himself - a liar. Do you want people like that to rule on your destiny?\nAnyway, be good to your parents and grandparents. Allow them to live in a nice place. A law was passed in the late 90's stating that pets must be allowed in sec 8. But, absolutely no guns or MedMar. We're fighting to get those two removed from federal policy. There's always something that needs to be corrected or added to that makes our end of life better. Since We The People pay for these elected yahoos, it is up to us to make sure they listen. They're not listening and we must remind them who's boss.",
">\n\nThey do it though using great numbers and voting for people who will work for them, not against them."
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You americans should really stop it with the identity politics. The fact that elderly are treated better doesnt have anything to do with what they do. Society is not an archipelago.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.",
">\n\nYounger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.\nHaving said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders. \nMy opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.\n\"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?\"\nWhy YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.\nThey do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.\nVOTE\nLike Obama says\nDon't complain! VOTE",
">\n\nIf you are old and retired you have no easy way of augmenting your income to combat inflation. You lack energy and health. But what they do have is time. \nWe should minimize the handouts to those that need them. Rent control has many bad consequences, mainly they lead to poor upkeep and maintenance as well as a disincentive to building. \nWhat we need is more building. We need more supply. And there are problems there if all they build is single family homes. Unfortunately, the Fed is working against the housing crisis. Basically, there idea is that if the economy is inflated on one side and deflated on the other, on average things are fine, instead of crap everywhere for different reasons.",
">\n\nWhen we 'older folk' were growing up in the early 70's, we saw affordable housing being built everywhere we went. No one wanted to move into them because of their notoriety of being slums. As government got better, so did the housing. I currently live in sec 8 and have to say, some are good and some are still bad.\nEvery sec 8 community has their rules on who can live where. In our townhouses only families can live there, but in the 10 story highrise, anyone can live here as long as they're a senior or disabled. There are communities that allow young low income status to live there.\nIt's all a matter of your needs and how much you research. Back in my day we didn't have internet. We had to go to the library and use a card catalog (look it up, you'll laugh). It took me 8months to find my community but there is now an 8year wait.\nThis is a perfect setup for me. I no longer have to shovel the sidewalk, we have knowledgeable young men who can fix damned near anything and I have met many nice people. In fact, a few of my high school classmates live here now.\nI am 65 and my son is 29. Him and all of his friends vote every election. In 47years I have missed one election and I was in the hospital after a head on car accident. Voting, and voting for the candidate best for you is key. You don't vote for a candidate who wants to disregard disabled and seniors to save money. Seniors and disabled people are under attack as we speak. I must say that the people of New York didn't do their research on one newbie in the house. I did and found him to be as he has presented himself - a liar. Do you want people like that to rule on your destiny?\nAnyway, be good to your parents and grandparents. Allow them to live in a nice place. A law was passed in the late 90's stating that pets must be allowed in sec 8. But, absolutely no guns or MedMar. We're fighting to get those two removed from federal policy. There's always something that needs to be corrected or added to that makes our end of life better. Since We The People pay for these elected yahoos, it is up to us to make sure they listen. They're not listening and we must remind them who's boss.",
">\n\nThey do it though using great numbers and voting for people who will work for them, not against them.",
">\n\nWhen baby boomers were the age of today's millennials, they owned 21% of the countries wealth. Millennials own just 5%. Turns out, when you dominate economics and politics you get preferential treatment.\nThese policies started when the baby boomers were young, and will end after they pass. The Fair Housing Act was passed when Baby Boomers were just entering adulthood. Social Security Amendments of 1965 and 1972 also happened in this time period.\nMillennials are treated as irrelevant not just because they don't vote, but because the wealth they would have earned has gone back to their parent's generation. They don't get promoted to managerial or executive positions. They couldn't buy a house young. \nIf you want the younger generations to have a say in their own future, they need the wealth to lobby for it."
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The fact that elderly are treated better doesnt have anything to do with what they do.
Sure it does. It has to do with the fact that they vote.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.",
">\n\nYounger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.\nHaving said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders. \nMy opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.\n\"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?\"\nWhy YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.\nThey do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.\nVOTE\nLike Obama says\nDon't complain! VOTE",
">\n\nIf you are old and retired you have no easy way of augmenting your income to combat inflation. You lack energy and health. But what they do have is time. \nWe should minimize the handouts to those that need them. Rent control has many bad consequences, mainly they lead to poor upkeep and maintenance as well as a disincentive to building. \nWhat we need is more building. We need more supply. And there are problems there if all they build is single family homes. Unfortunately, the Fed is working against the housing crisis. Basically, there idea is that if the economy is inflated on one side and deflated on the other, on average things are fine, instead of crap everywhere for different reasons.",
">\n\nWhen we 'older folk' were growing up in the early 70's, we saw affordable housing being built everywhere we went. No one wanted to move into them because of their notoriety of being slums. As government got better, so did the housing. I currently live in sec 8 and have to say, some are good and some are still bad.\nEvery sec 8 community has their rules on who can live where. In our townhouses only families can live there, but in the 10 story highrise, anyone can live here as long as they're a senior or disabled. There are communities that allow young low income status to live there.\nIt's all a matter of your needs and how much you research. Back in my day we didn't have internet. We had to go to the library and use a card catalog (look it up, you'll laugh). It took me 8months to find my community but there is now an 8year wait.\nThis is a perfect setup for me. I no longer have to shovel the sidewalk, we have knowledgeable young men who can fix damned near anything and I have met many nice people. In fact, a few of my high school classmates live here now.\nI am 65 and my son is 29. Him and all of his friends vote every election. In 47years I have missed one election and I was in the hospital after a head on car accident. Voting, and voting for the candidate best for you is key. You don't vote for a candidate who wants to disregard disabled and seniors to save money. Seniors and disabled people are under attack as we speak. I must say that the people of New York didn't do their research on one newbie in the house. I did and found him to be as he has presented himself - a liar. Do you want people like that to rule on your destiny?\nAnyway, be good to your parents and grandparents. Allow them to live in a nice place. A law was passed in the late 90's stating that pets must be allowed in sec 8. But, absolutely no guns or MedMar. We're fighting to get those two removed from federal policy. There's always something that needs to be corrected or added to that makes our end of life better. Since We The People pay for these elected yahoos, it is up to us to make sure they listen. They're not listening and we must remind them who's boss.",
">\n\nThey do it though using great numbers and voting for people who will work for them, not against them.",
">\n\nWhen baby boomers were the age of today's millennials, they owned 21% of the countries wealth. Millennials own just 5%. Turns out, when you dominate economics and politics you get preferential treatment.\nThese policies started when the baby boomers were young, and will end after they pass. The Fair Housing Act was passed when Baby Boomers were just entering adulthood. Social Security Amendments of 1965 and 1972 also happened in this time period.\nMillennials are treated as irrelevant not just because they don't vote, but because the wealth they would have earned has gone back to their parent's generation. They don't get promoted to managerial or executive positions. They couldn't buy a house young. \nIf you want the younger generations to have a say in their own future, they need the wealth to lobby for it.",
">\n\nYou americans should really stop it with the identity politics. The fact that elderly are treated better doesnt have anything to do with what they do. Society is not an archipelago."
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It’s funny how politicians cater to the people who vote. I think this is pretty much it.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.",
">\n\nYounger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.\nHaving said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders. \nMy opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.\n\"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?\"\nWhy YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.\nThey do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.\nVOTE\nLike Obama says\nDon't complain! VOTE",
">\n\nIf you are old and retired you have no easy way of augmenting your income to combat inflation. You lack energy and health. But what they do have is time. \nWe should minimize the handouts to those that need them. Rent control has many bad consequences, mainly they lead to poor upkeep and maintenance as well as a disincentive to building. \nWhat we need is more building. We need more supply. And there are problems there if all they build is single family homes. Unfortunately, the Fed is working against the housing crisis. Basically, there idea is that if the economy is inflated on one side and deflated on the other, on average things are fine, instead of crap everywhere for different reasons.",
">\n\nWhen we 'older folk' were growing up in the early 70's, we saw affordable housing being built everywhere we went. No one wanted to move into them because of their notoriety of being slums. As government got better, so did the housing. I currently live in sec 8 and have to say, some are good and some are still bad.\nEvery sec 8 community has their rules on who can live where. In our townhouses only families can live there, but in the 10 story highrise, anyone can live here as long as they're a senior or disabled. There are communities that allow young low income status to live there.\nIt's all a matter of your needs and how much you research. Back in my day we didn't have internet. We had to go to the library and use a card catalog (look it up, you'll laugh). It took me 8months to find my community but there is now an 8year wait.\nThis is a perfect setup for me. I no longer have to shovel the sidewalk, we have knowledgeable young men who can fix damned near anything and I have met many nice people. In fact, a few of my high school classmates live here now.\nI am 65 and my son is 29. Him and all of his friends vote every election. In 47years I have missed one election and I was in the hospital after a head on car accident. Voting, and voting for the candidate best for you is key. You don't vote for a candidate who wants to disregard disabled and seniors to save money. Seniors and disabled people are under attack as we speak. I must say that the people of New York didn't do their research on one newbie in the house. I did and found him to be as he has presented himself - a liar. Do you want people like that to rule on your destiny?\nAnyway, be good to your parents and grandparents. Allow them to live in a nice place. A law was passed in the late 90's stating that pets must be allowed in sec 8. But, absolutely no guns or MedMar. We're fighting to get those two removed from federal policy. There's always something that needs to be corrected or added to that makes our end of life better. Since We The People pay for these elected yahoos, it is up to us to make sure they listen. They're not listening and we must remind them who's boss.",
">\n\nThey do it though using great numbers and voting for people who will work for them, not against them.",
">\n\nWhen baby boomers were the age of today's millennials, they owned 21% of the countries wealth. Millennials own just 5%. Turns out, when you dominate economics and politics you get preferential treatment.\nThese policies started when the baby boomers were young, and will end after they pass. The Fair Housing Act was passed when Baby Boomers were just entering adulthood. Social Security Amendments of 1965 and 1972 also happened in this time period.\nMillennials are treated as irrelevant not just because they don't vote, but because the wealth they would have earned has gone back to their parent's generation. They don't get promoted to managerial or executive positions. They couldn't buy a house young. \nIf you want the younger generations to have a say in their own future, they need the wealth to lobby for it.",
">\n\nYou americans should really stop it with the identity politics. The fact that elderly are treated better doesnt have anything to do with what they do. Society is not an archipelago.",
">\n\n\nThe fact that elderly are treated better doesnt have anything to do with what they do.\n\nSure it does. It has to do with the fact that they vote."
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The youth support the elderly, and do in basically all modern societies. The elderly NEED more and PRODUCE less. Theres nothing for us young people to get. We will get the good stuff when we are old, too.
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.",
">\n\nYounger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.\nHaving said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders. \nMy opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.\n\"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?\"\nWhy YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.\nThey do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.\nVOTE\nLike Obama says\nDon't complain! VOTE",
">\n\nIf you are old and retired you have no easy way of augmenting your income to combat inflation. You lack energy and health. But what they do have is time. \nWe should minimize the handouts to those that need them. Rent control has many bad consequences, mainly they lead to poor upkeep and maintenance as well as a disincentive to building. \nWhat we need is more building. We need more supply. And there are problems there if all they build is single family homes. Unfortunately, the Fed is working against the housing crisis. Basically, there idea is that if the economy is inflated on one side and deflated on the other, on average things are fine, instead of crap everywhere for different reasons.",
">\n\nWhen we 'older folk' were growing up in the early 70's, we saw affordable housing being built everywhere we went. No one wanted to move into them because of their notoriety of being slums. As government got better, so did the housing. I currently live in sec 8 and have to say, some are good and some are still bad.\nEvery sec 8 community has their rules on who can live where. In our townhouses only families can live there, but in the 10 story highrise, anyone can live here as long as they're a senior or disabled. There are communities that allow young low income status to live there.\nIt's all a matter of your needs and how much you research. Back in my day we didn't have internet. We had to go to the library and use a card catalog (look it up, you'll laugh). It took me 8months to find my community but there is now an 8year wait.\nThis is a perfect setup for me. I no longer have to shovel the sidewalk, we have knowledgeable young men who can fix damned near anything and I have met many nice people. In fact, a few of my high school classmates live here now.\nI am 65 and my son is 29. Him and all of his friends vote every election. In 47years I have missed one election and I was in the hospital after a head on car accident. Voting, and voting for the candidate best for you is key. You don't vote for a candidate who wants to disregard disabled and seniors to save money. Seniors and disabled people are under attack as we speak. I must say that the people of New York didn't do their research on one newbie in the house. I did and found him to be as he has presented himself - a liar. Do you want people like that to rule on your destiny?\nAnyway, be good to your parents and grandparents. Allow them to live in a nice place. A law was passed in the late 90's stating that pets must be allowed in sec 8. But, absolutely no guns or MedMar. We're fighting to get those two removed from federal policy. There's always something that needs to be corrected or added to that makes our end of life better. Since We The People pay for these elected yahoos, it is up to us to make sure they listen. They're not listening and we must remind them who's boss.",
">\n\nThey do it though using great numbers and voting for people who will work for them, not against them.",
">\n\nWhen baby boomers were the age of today's millennials, they owned 21% of the countries wealth. Millennials own just 5%. Turns out, when you dominate economics and politics you get preferential treatment.\nThese policies started when the baby boomers were young, and will end after they pass. The Fair Housing Act was passed when Baby Boomers were just entering adulthood. Social Security Amendments of 1965 and 1972 also happened in this time period.\nMillennials are treated as irrelevant not just because they don't vote, but because the wealth they would have earned has gone back to their parent's generation. They don't get promoted to managerial or executive positions. They couldn't buy a house young. \nIf you want the younger generations to have a say in their own future, they need the wealth to lobby for it.",
">\n\nYou americans should really stop it with the identity politics. The fact that elderly are treated better doesnt have anything to do with what they do. Society is not an archipelago.",
">\n\n\nThe fact that elderly are treated better doesnt have anything to do with what they do.\n\nSure it does. It has to do with the fact that they vote.",
">\n\nIt’s funny how politicians cater to the people who vote. I think this is pretty much it."
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"In the 2018 midterm cycle, 35.6% of 18-29 year-olds showed up to vote. It's considered a particularly high midterm turnout for that age group.\nStill, it's dwarfed by other age groups. 41-64 year-olds had a 59.5% turnout, and 65+ show up at around 66.1%.\nHow do old people keep scoring political victories? They vote.",
">\n\nIt’s not just voting. If you’ve ever been to a county party meeting (for either party) the rooms are dominated by retired people. They’re also more likely to write to elected officials or show up to city council meetings and they have more disposable income for donations. It also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves. Virtually step of the political process including voting, grass roots activism, donations and running for office is largely dominated by older Americans.",
">\n\n\nIt also doesn’t hurt that the majority of high ranking politicians are over 55 themselves\n\nOlder voters tend to vote for their peers.",
">\n\nThat’s sort of true but also generally in order to be considered a viable candidate you have to have a bit of a resume. Someone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election. Usually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run. Both of these take time which naturally results in older candidates for higher positions.",
">\n\n\nSomeone straight out of undergrad running for governor is probably not going to do well in a general election\n\nIn part because they are generally not the peers of most of the people who actually vote. The institutions you outlined earlier has a lot to do with \"who you know.\" And surprise, older voters don't know younger people. Younger voters care a lot less, though, since they're new to the voting game. E.g.the popular support for AOC, who ousted the older establishment Democrat.\n\nUsually in order to get to a high level in politics you either start at a low level and work your way up or you advance to a high level in another field and then you run.\n\nPolitics is not the meritocracy you describe here. Maybe it should be, but in practice, cronyism prevails more often. It's typically enough to be the child of a previous politician, or someone rich enough to influence politicians. Some may coincidentally be hard workers, but it's very much thanks to connections that most politicians ultimately get anywhere. AOC is an exception to the rule, I think, not the rule itself.",
">\n\n\nhow can younger Americans achieve the same economic comfort level given to the older American population by the government\n\nVote. It's not a secret.",
">\n\nVote for who? In my local elections both parties supported \"protecting property values\" and limiting multi-family development that was causing traffic.",
">\n\nIt's not just voting, but also the accumulated effect of a lot of social connections and minor bits of influence all adding up.\nA million twenty-somethings won't have the same ability to get heard or listened to by elected officials in their fifties and older, because none of them run in the same social circles. But your local and state officials have grown up and worked and hung out with peers who are their same age, so they are more in tune with what those people want. \nIt's not even necessarily that elected officials are being advocated to. They might just be doing what they think is 'right,' but if they don't get exposed to the perspectives of younger people (or women/minorities/etc), they don't realize that they're failing to represent those people's interests.\nI'm in Atlanta. Older folks can generally afford homes, and they think having high property values is good for them, and that's just what the prevailing wisdom is among those generations. If you want them to truly understand how shitty it is for millennials and younger to afford homes, you've got to go talk to them.\nIt's not 'just vote for them.' If you vote for them and don't say anything else, they're just gonna, y'know, assume you like what they're doing.",
">\n\nThis. Your representatives in the legislature and Congress are real people that you can actually contact and advise.",
">\n\nI've written letters to our \"elected officials\" and have not had any response or acknowledgement. The abuses of what I refer to as big business and/or big tech., corporate health car, etc. are all largely ignored. Our elected officials now seem to hire specialists to manage their Facebook profile or other social media faces. Visit the web sites provided by either branch of congress and use the provided information to attempt to contact your designated representative. I would really like to hear of any of our representatives who have any time for individual Americans. In their defence, it would be a daunting task given the ratio of our population to the number of representatives we have but, our system has seemingly been taken over by \"big money\" from large groups. Voting and being as informed as possible about issues is the primary path available to us to drive change in our \"democratic\" society. The biggest threat we face may be the forces which attempt to hide facts and issues in order to serve their own interests. Consider the banning of books and AP history classes merely to promote a facade of perfection. We have to be careful that we don't become totally isolated from the society in which we live by ignoring issues and problems. If everything is driven by greed and a lust for power we will have lost just like great civilizations of the past. Consider the fall of Rome, the French Revolution, or the horrors of the \"Great Wars\" and the Crusades.",
">\n\nBecause younger people tend to be more apathetic of politics. It’s a never ending cycle where young people don’t vote because they complain that politicians don’t represent them, but then politicians have no reason to cater to people that don’t vote. \nAlso, I think the US doesn’t have a strong civic culture amongst young people. Most young people don’t even recognize the power of local politics.",
">\n\nOr they recognize it as the corrupt circus it is.",
">\n\n\"These people who vote consistently get what they want. The process is corrupt though, so it's smart not to vote.\"",
">\n\nThe absolute bewilderment and mystification with which young people regard the fact that old people's interests are so well represented because they actually flipping show up to vote consistently!",
">\n\nVote. Old people have twice the voter turn out as young people. There's no other secret.",
">\n\nGovernment represents the VOTING population, and them alone. Simple game theory in action. \n90% of the country could be under 55 but if they don't vote, they don't exist. Politicians work for their constituents, and old people are the largest voting bloc.",
">\n\nOld folks vote in huge percentages. If GenZ was as reliable a block of voters as Boomers, elected folks would be forced to take their demands more seriously.",
">\n\nOld people vote, a lot of politicians with power are older, lobbies for older people are powerful. Young people don't leverage their power in the same way.",
">\n\nSince everyone gets old (barring misfortune), many people view benefits for elderly people as things that will benefit them later on.\nI suppose people in their 20s don't tend to take this into account because retirement is far beyond their planning horizon.\nAlso, there's been an idea in the media that some people have internalized, that social security (etc) will go bankrupt and so it won't be around for younger people. This is nonsense.",
">\n\nFWIW, the Democrats are far more dependent on younger votes than the Republicans, and they advocate at least somewhat for policies that affect them. Case in point: student loans.",
">\n\nIt's more complicated than these comments suggest obviously. The Florida program you cite (I'm not familiar with it) is one thing, but Social Security and other older programs weren't because old people were voting in higher rates. Heck, when Social Security was passed, people still didn't live to be particularly old...they died within a few years of retirement. Nearly every family in America was stuck having to take in their aging parents or let them die bankrupt.\nPeople saying \"they vote\" are oversimplifying the civic advantages of aging. Older people have settled, they tend to own property, they've gone to school board meetings and know who to call when the trash isn't picked up. They know their neighbors and have other local networks to organize around. They're just more politically resourced.",
">\n\nIn terms of local politics, a lot of this is driven by the people who can show up to town meetings. So, people who have time to spend hours talking in an open forum. Retirees don't have to worry about finding a babysitter, skipping work hours, or getting up to work the next day.",
">\n\nThere is a phenomenon where older voters skew richer (basically, poor people tend to not live as long on account of, y’know, poverty). So there’s a class/economics aspect to it as well.",
">\n\nYou got the info wrong. most 55 plus communities are condos and the only break they get is since they don't allow anyone under 18 they dont' have to pay the school portion of the property taxes/\nShow me proof 55 plus has rent at 30% \ngoooooo",
">\n\nA lot of the things we take for granted like social security were not given, they were taken - through mass mobilization of a coalition of working class people demanding action through protest and strike.\nHistory has been white-washed. The older generations won their afforded comforts not through benevolence, but through blood and sacrifice.",
">\n\nI hate to say it but it's true, the younger generation is a bunch of spoiled babies.\nI had a problem at a store and I asked for help, the one who I suspected messed up the order said okay I will check and then proceeded to help all the other customers, so I told her if you need help why don't you ask all the people standing around and then she tells the manager that I was yelling at her. They misunderstand an upset tone for yelling.",
">\n\nWe research. We target weak spots, weak politicians. We don't show up without workable solutions. The AARP does some of the softening up. There's many books on the topic.",
">\n\nLet’s think about this and include the perspective of the old ones. Many years ago in Tennessee, suffrage came down to one more vote. The man who made it had an undying love for his old mother and caved when she insisted he make the world for women a little more fair. This is not a unique case. In addition, since we put the responsibility of replacing bad players with the voter, we have had a lack of understanding of the power of the vote. In the public school setting, we don’t teach the importance of voting and combine the math aspect with it so we can see the facts. And finally, because we often leave politicians in place for many terms, we expose them to incredible opportunities for corruption and the awareness that old age is on the way. It would be prudent for for them to involve themselves in a little corruption and set up opportunities for seniors for care. What they haven’t figured out and what young folks can rely on is the breaking of our health as we have removed physical education and home economics from our general curricula. Money trumps all things so feeding fake food to the children and the poor is the most profitable way to keep school cafeterias, which have to pay for themselves to stay in schools by federal law, alive and well. The Hope for all comes from practicing saving a little money every week. Take the time to learn home and auto maintenance on your own. Teach these things to your children always. And never forget, with the exceptions of lotto winners, those folks that got old and paid off a house and cars, did it just a little at a time. It took them many years. They’re not special (and should never be horses’ asses), just patient. Listening and emulating those that are good at life would be all young folks’ best bet. Knowing God would be frosting on their cakes.",
">\n\nYounger folks can obtain the same comfort when they are older by working their asses off all of their lives for it, just like the older people did.\nHaving said that, I am well aware of the GROSS inequity that exist between younger people and the Elders. \nMy opinion is that younger people have to match and surpass the Elders when we VOTE. Which party is advocating affordable housing? Democrats. Which party is advocating equitable pay and labor unions? Democrats. Which party is advocating universal and affordable health care? Democrats.\n\"Will that make a difference, Mr Wizard?\"\nWhy YES! it made a difference for the Elders. Then they pulled up the ladders after them and impoverished two generations. They currently hope that they can also cheat a third generation with the time that they have left on this earth.\nThey do it from the comfort of their subsidized homes.\nVOTE\nLike Obama says\nDon't complain! VOTE",
">\n\nIf you are old and retired you have no easy way of augmenting your income to combat inflation. You lack energy and health. But what they do have is time. \nWe should minimize the handouts to those that need them. Rent control has many bad consequences, mainly they lead to poor upkeep and maintenance as well as a disincentive to building. \nWhat we need is more building. We need more supply. And there are problems there if all they build is single family homes. Unfortunately, the Fed is working against the housing crisis. Basically, there idea is that if the economy is inflated on one side and deflated on the other, on average things are fine, instead of crap everywhere for different reasons.",
">\n\nWhen we 'older folk' were growing up in the early 70's, we saw affordable housing being built everywhere we went. No one wanted to move into them because of their notoriety of being slums. As government got better, so did the housing. I currently live in sec 8 and have to say, some are good and some are still bad.\nEvery sec 8 community has their rules on who can live where. In our townhouses only families can live there, but in the 10 story highrise, anyone can live here as long as they're a senior or disabled. There are communities that allow young low income status to live there.\nIt's all a matter of your needs and how much you research. Back in my day we didn't have internet. We had to go to the library and use a card catalog (look it up, you'll laugh). It took me 8months to find my community but there is now an 8year wait.\nThis is a perfect setup for me. I no longer have to shovel the sidewalk, we have knowledgeable young men who can fix damned near anything and I have met many nice people. In fact, a few of my high school classmates live here now.\nI am 65 and my son is 29. Him and all of his friends vote every election. In 47years I have missed one election and I was in the hospital after a head on car accident. Voting, and voting for the candidate best for you is key. You don't vote for a candidate who wants to disregard disabled and seniors to save money. Seniors and disabled people are under attack as we speak. I must say that the people of New York didn't do their research on one newbie in the house. I did and found him to be as he has presented himself - a liar. Do you want people like that to rule on your destiny?\nAnyway, be good to your parents and grandparents. Allow them to live in a nice place. A law was passed in the late 90's stating that pets must be allowed in sec 8. But, absolutely no guns or MedMar. We're fighting to get those two removed from federal policy. There's always something that needs to be corrected or added to that makes our end of life better. Since We The People pay for these elected yahoos, it is up to us to make sure they listen. They're not listening and we must remind them who's boss.",
">\n\nThey do it though using great numbers and voting for people who will work for them, not against them.",
">\n\nWhen baby boomers were the age of today's millennials, they owned 21% of the countries wealth. Millennials own just 5%. Turns out, when you dominate economics and politics you get preferential treatment.\nThese policies started when the baby boomers were young, and will end after they pass. The Fair Housing Act was passed when Baby Boomers were just entering adulthood. Social Security Amendments of 1965 and 1972 also happened in this time period.\nMillennials are treated as irrelevant not just because they don't vote, but because the wealth they would have earned has gone back to their parent's generation. They don't get promoted to managerial or executive positions. They couldn't buy a house young. \nIf you want the younger generations to have a say in their own future, they need the wealth to lobby for it.",
">\n\nYou americans should really stop it with the identity politics. The fact that elderly are treated better doesnt have anything to do with what they do. Society is not an archipelago.",
">\n\n\nThe fact that elderly are treated better doesnt have anything to do with what they do.\n\nSure it does. It has to do with the fact that they vote.",
">\n\nIt’s funny how politicians cater to the people who vote. I think this is pretty much it.",
">\n\nThe youth support the elderly, and do in basically all modern societies. The elderly NEED more and PRODUCE less. Theres nothing for us young people to get. We will get the good stuff when we are old, too."
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Have you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s
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They were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.
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"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s"
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Fucking classic!
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"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s"
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Don't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.
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"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!"
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I'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7
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"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military."
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Google „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.
I wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7"
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Peak denazification moment right there
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"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse"
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Hey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there"
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Was it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?
Just trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis"
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Wasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing
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"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent."
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Classic Satanist synagogue.
(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing"
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I dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool)."
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Nazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?"
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Similar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia"
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Where do you think those "truckers" got their playbook from
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then."
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russias response
UKRAINIA DID IT
PLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US
LIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS
HAW HAW HAW
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from"
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Yeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW"
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if Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?"
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“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working"
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Schools
Hospitals
Churches
Synagogues
Residential buildings
Perhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either."
] |
>
If we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target."
] |
>
Hmm, then we would get an Article 5...
That would suck for Russia.
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland."
] |
>
The irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity.
Antisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia."
] |
>
Russia Orthodox cult
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine."
] |
>
What do you mean by that?
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.",
">\n\nRussia Orthodox cult"
] |
>
They haven’t thought that far ahead yet.
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.",
">\n\nRussia Orthodox cult",
">\n\nWhat do you mean by that?"
] |
>
What more does Russia have to do for a Israel to realise Russia isn’t their friend? Attacking Jews, using nazi like it’s anything and all their partnerships and supplying of Iran.
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.",
">\n\nRussia Orthodox cult",
">\n\nWhat do you mean by that?",
">\n\nThey haven’t thought that far ahead yet."
] |
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Israel knows Russia isn't their friend, but Russia has actively threatened the Jewish population of Russia if Israel provides lethal aid and Israel needs Russia's tacit consent to keep Syrian and Iranian terrorists at bay.
That said Israel has taken out several Iranian drone factories (the drones Russia has been using against Ukraine) as well as provided huge amounts of humanitarian aid including fully staffed (by Israelis) fully functional hospitals, literal tons of medicine and food, and has taken in more Ukrainian refugees than most Western European countries combined.
The notion Israel isn't taking sides or isn't supporting Ukraine is typical Reddit anti-israel bullshit. Israel has done an incredible amount for Ukraine, especially for a country which is smaller than New Jersey and who's GDP is ranked 26th in the world, way below most first world nations, many of whom have done less to aid Ukraine. However their hands are tied by Russia's threat against Russian Jews and the fact Israel needs to not piss off Russia enough that Russia retaliates when Israel defends itself against Syrian and Iranian terrorists who are dead set on blowing up Israeli citizens or ideally (in their mind) wiping the country off the map entirely.
But for a tiny tiny country Israel has done a stunningly huge amount to help Ukraine especially in humanitarian matters, falling just short of providing them lethal aid. Israel deserves a lot of props for everything they've done and how much they're risking by toeing the line as much as they have.
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.",
">\n\nRussia Orthodox cult",
">\n\nWhat do you mean by that?",
">\n\nThey haven’t thought that far ahead yet.",
">\n\nWhat more does Russia have to do for a Israel to realise Russia isn’t their friend? Attacking Jews, using nazi like it’s anything and all their partnerships and supplying of Iran."
] |
>
He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile, "otherwise the building would be totally destroyed," and according to Ehrentreu, the building was harmed but not ruined.
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.",
">\n\nRussia Orthodox cult",
">\n\nWhat do you mean by that?",
">\n\nThey haven’t thought that far ahead yet.",
">\n\nWhat more does Russia have to do for a Israel to realise Russia isn’t their friend? Attacking Jews, using nazi like it’s anything and all their partnerships and supplying of Iran.",
">\n\nIsrael knows Russia isn't their friend, but Russia has actively threatened the Jewish population of Russia if Israel provides lethal aid and Israel needs Russia's tacit consent to keep Syrian and Iranian terrorists at bay.\nThat said Israel has taken out several Iranian drone factories (the drones Russia has been using against Ukraine) as well as provided huge amounts of humanitarian aid including fully staffed (by Israelis) fully functional hospitals, literal tons of medicine and food, and has taken in more Ukrainian refugees than most Western European countries combined.\nThe notion Israel isn't taking sides or isn't supporting Ukraine is typical Reddit anti-israel bullshit. Israel has done an incredible amount for Ukraine, especially for a country which is smaller than New Jersey and who's GDP is ranked 26th in the world, way below most first world nations, many of whom have done less to aid Ukraine. However their hands are tied by Russia's threat against Russian Jews and the fact Israel needs to not piss off Russia enough that Russia retaliates when Israel defends itself against Syrian and Iranian terrorists who are dead set on blowing up Israeli citizens or ideally (in their mind) wiping the country off the map entirely.\nBut for a tiny tiny country Israel has done a stunningly huge amount to help Ukraine especially in humanitarian matters, falling just short of providing them lethal aid. Israel deserves a lot of props for everything they've done and how much they're risking by toeing the line as much as they have."
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WTF is that guy doing in that picture? It looks like he’s smoking crack.
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.",
">\n\nRussia Orthodox cult",
">\n\nWhat do you mean by that?",
">\n\nThey haven’t thought that far ahead yet.",
">\n\nWhat more does Russia have to do for a Israel to realise Russia isn’t their friend? Attacking Jews, using nazi like it’s anything and all their partnerships and supplying of Iran.",
">\n\nIsrael knows Russia isn't their friend, but Russia has actively threatened the Jewish population of Russia if Israel provides lethal aid and Israel needs Russia's tacit consent to keep Syrian and Iranian terrorists at bay.\nThat said Israel has taken out several Iranian drone factories (the drones Russia has been using against Ukraine) as well as provided huge amounts of humanitarian aid including fully staffed (by Israelis) fully functional hospitals, literal tons of medicine and food, and has taken in more Ukrainian refugees than most Western European countries combined.\nThe notion Israel isn't taking sides or isn't supporting Ukraine is typical Reddit anti-israel bullshit. Israel has done an incredible amount for Ukraine, especially for a country which is smaller than New Jersey and who's GDP is ranked 26th in the world, way below most first world nations, many of whom have done less to aid Ukraine. However their hands are tied by Russia's threat against Russian Jews and the fact Israel needs to not piss off Russia enough that Russia retaliates when Israel defends itself against Syrian and Iranian terrorists who are dead set on blowing up Israeli citizens or ideally (in their mind) wiping the country off the map entirely.\nBut for a tiny tiny country Israel has done a stunningly huge amount to help Ukraine especially in humanitarian matters, falling just short of providing them lethal aid. Israel deserves a lot of props for everything they've done and how much they're risking by toeing the line as much as they have.",
">\n\n\nHe added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile, \"otherwise the building would be totally destroyed,\" and according to Ehrentreu, the building was harmed but not ruined.\n\nonly the best headlines here on worldnews"
] |
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He’s blowing a shofar
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.",
">\n\nRussia Orthodox cult",
">\n\nWhat do you mean by that?",
">\n\nThey haven’t thought that far ahead yet.",
">\n\nWhat more does Russia have to do for a Israel to realise Russia isn’t their friend? Attacking Jews, using nazi like it’s anything and all their partnerships and supplying of Iran.",
">\n\nIsrael knows Russia isn't their friend, but Russia has actively threatened the Jewish population of Russia if Israel provides lethal aid and Israel needs Russia's tacit consent to keep Syrian and Iranian terrorists at bay.\nThat said Israel has taken out several Iranian drone factories (the drones Russia has been using against Ukraine) as well as provided huge amounts of humanitarian aid including fully staffed (by Israelis) fully functional hospitals, literal tons of medicine and food, and has taken in more Ukrainian refugees than most Western European countries combined.\nThe notion Israel isn't taking sides or isn't supporting Ukraine is typical Reddit anti-israel bullshit. Israel has done an incredible amount for Ukraine, especially for a country which is smaller than New Jersey and who's GDP is ranked 26th in the world, way below most first world nations, many of whom have done less to aid Ukraine. However their hands are tied by Russia's threat against Russian Jews and the fact Israel needs to not piss off Russia enough that Russia retaliates when Israel defends itself against Syrian and Iranian terrorists who are dead set on blowing up Israeli citizens or ideally (in their mind) wiping the country off the map entirely.\nBut for a tiny tiny country Israel has done a stunningly huge amount to help Ukraine especially in humanitarian matters, falling just short of providing them lethal aid. Israel deserves a lot of props for everything they've done and how much they're risking by toeing the line as much as they have.",
">\n\n\nHe added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile, \"otherwise the building would be totally destroyed,\" and according to Ehrentreu, the building was harmed but not ruined.\n\nonly the best headlines here on worldnews",
">\n\nWTF is that guy doing in that picture? It looks like he’s smoking crack."
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I... think it's time you switched to decaf.
|
[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.",
">\n\nRussia Orthodox cult",
">\n\nWhat do you mean by that?",
">\n\nThey haven’t thought that far ahead yet.",
">\n\nWhat more does Russia have to do for a Israel to realise Russia isn’t their friend? Attacking Jews, using nazi like it’s anything and all their partnerships and supplying of Iran.",
">\n\nIsrael knows Russia isn't their friend, but Russia has actively threatened the Jewish population of Russia if Israel provides lethal aid and Israel needs Russia's tacit consent to keep Syrian and Iranian terrorists at bay.\nThat said Israel has taken out several Iranian drone factories (the drones Russia has been using against Ukraine) as well as provided huge amounts of humanitarian aid including fully staffed (by Israelis) fully functional hospitals, literal tons of medicine and food, and has taken in more Ukrainian refugees than most Western European countries combined.\nThe notion Israel isn't taking sides or isn't supporting Ukraine is typical Reddit anti-israel bullshit. Israel has done an incredible amount for Ukraine, especially for a country which is smaller than New Jersey and who's GDP is ranked 26th in the world, way below most first world nations, many of whom have done less to aid Ukraine. However their hands are tied by Russia's threat against Russian Jews and the fact Israel needs to not piss off Russia enough that Russia retaliates when Israel defends itself against Syrian and Iranian terrorists who are dead set on blowing up Israeli citizens or ideally (in their mind) wiping the country off the map entirely.\nBut for a tiny tiny country Israel has done a stunningly huge amount to help Ukraine especially in humanitarian matters, falling just short of providing them lethal aid. Israel deserves a lot of props for everything they've done and how much they're risking by toeing the line as much as they have.",
">\n\n\nHe added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile, \"otherwise the building would be totally destroyed,\" and according to Ehrentreu, the building was harmed but not ruined.\n\nonly the best headlines here on worldnews",
">\n\nWTF is that guy doing in that picture? It looks like he’s smoking crack.",
">\n\nHe’s blowing a shofar"
] |
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[
"Next: Russian TV explaining how synagogues are where Nazis usually hide.",
">\n\nHave you ever seen a Jew and a Nazi in the same room????? Really makes you think /s",
">\n\nThey were using the Jewish people as bait to draw out the nazis.\n/s",
">\n\nFucking classic!",
">\n\nDon't feel attacked, they shoot missiles at everyone that is not military.",
">\n\nI'm thinking the entire Russian military are just fucking drunk 24/7",
">\n\nGoogle „Panzerschokolade WW2 Germany“.\nI wouldn‘t be surprised if they‘re actually drunk or even high on something worse",
">\n\nPeak denazification moment right there",
">\n\nHey if there no Jewish people then the nazis can just move on. This is an obvious step in the de-nazification of Ukraine. Everyone know if there’s no Jews there no nazis",
">\n\nWas it a Nazi synagogue or anti-Semitic one?\nJust trying to keep my Excel sheet consistent.",
">\n\nWasn't Putin trying to get rid of Satanists too? Could swear that was also a thing",
">\n\nClassic Satanist synagogue.\n(I had only heard that in passing. It shows how powerful people can use religion as a tool).",
">\n\nI dont recall, has russia declared Jews are nazis?",
">\n\nNazi has a looser definition in russian.. it's more akin to anyone anti-russia",
">\n\nSimilar to how Karen’s and members of the “trucker” convoy in Canada use Nazi then.",
">\n\nWhere do you think those \"truckers\" got their playbook from",
">\n\nrussias response\nUKRAINIA DID IT\nPLEASE DON'T SUICIDE DRONE US\nLIKE THOSE STINKY IRANIS\nHAW HAW HAW",
">\n\nYeah well, did anyone expect that he was going to approve of it?",
">\n\nif Russia wants Israel to help Ukraine more, it's working",
">\n\n“He added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile”propaganda headline. No picture of the synagogue included either.",
">\n\n\nSchools\nHospitals\nChurches\nSynagogues\nResidential buildings\n\nPerhaps one day Russia will manage to hit a MILITARY target.",
">\n\nIf we are lucky they will hit one in Poland.",
">\n\nHmm, then we would get an Article 5...\nThat would suck for Russia.",
">\n\nThe irony is there but a lot of people do not understand that the contemporary Russian definition of Nazi has nothing to do with a battle against Antisemitism or a sense of justice against oppression. They are described as Nazis because Nazis were the enemies of the Soviet Union or Russia as an entity. \nAntisemitism is unfortunately deeply ingrained in Slavic cultures, another reason why my family left Ukraine when they had the chance and even when settling into a Ukrainian-speaking community in the US, the Antisemitism was so bad they converted just to be left alone. I mean Russia has threatened retaliation against Russian Jews in case Israel openly declares support and provides military assistance (we all know Israel is still providing that support but it is much more clandestine.",
">\n\nRussia Orthodox cult",
">\n\nWhat do you mean by that?",
">\n\nThey haven’t thought that far ahead yet.",
">\n\nWhat more does Russia have to do for a Israel to realise Russia isn’t their friend? Attacking Jews, using nazi like it’s anything and all their partnerships and supplying of Iran.",
">\n\nIsrael knows Russia isn't their friend, but Russia has actively threatened the Jewish population of Russia if Israel provides lethal aid and Israel needs Russia's tacit consent to keep Syrian and Iranian terrorists at bay.\nThat said Israel has taken out several Iranian drone factories (the drones Russia has been using against Ukraine) as well as provided huge amounts of humanitarian aid including fully staffed (by Israelis) fully functional hospitals, literal tons of medicine and food, and has taken in more Ukrainian refugees than most Western European countries combined.\nThe notion Israel isn't taking sides or isn't supporting Ukraine is typical Reddit anti-israel bullshit. Israel has done an incredible amount for Ukraine, especially for a country which is smaller than New Jersey and who's GDP is ranked 26th in the world, way below most first world nations, many of whom have done less to aid Ukraine. However their hands are tied by Russia's threat against Russian Jews and the fact Israel needs to not piss off Russia enough that Russia retaliates when Israel defends itself against Syrian and Iranian terrorists who are dead set on blowing up Israeli citizens or ideally (in their mind) wiping the country off the map entirely.\nBut for a tiny tiny country Israel has done a stunningly huge amount to help Ukraine especially in humanitarian matters, falling just short of providing them lethal aid. Israel deserves a lot of props for everything they've done and how much they're risking by toeing the line as much as they have.",
">\n\n\nHe added that it seems that it wasn't a missile that hit the synagogue, but rather shrapnel from a missile, \"otherwise the building would be totally destroyed,\" and according to Ehrentreu, the building was harmed but not ruined.\n\nonly the best headlines here on worldnews",
">\n\nWTF is that guy doing in that picture? It looks like he’s smoking crack.",
">\n\nHe’s blowing a shofar",
">\n\nI... think it's time you switched to decaf."
] |
Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.
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Deeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved."
] |
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As someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done."
] |
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Obviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue."
] |
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To be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?"
] |
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See, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say "regular". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned."
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1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist."
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Once again, use of language. A "check-up" as defined by the dictionary, as "a medical examination to test your general state of health". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 "check ups" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too."
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So instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like "well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?"
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It’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help."
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I’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Or they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home.
Mental illness can also be very isolating.
|
[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?"
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I work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating."
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It’s all so performative.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan"
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Well that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.
|
[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative."
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Stop reading now :-(
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today."
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They didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?
But the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots
It seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide
The York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-("
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Seems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide."
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yet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.
Officials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work."
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The article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.
Sounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head."
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I’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out.
Such a fucked up and unusual situation.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation."
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When someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation."
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IYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.
Weird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness"
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Just so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home."
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This is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.
I am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone"
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Omg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough."
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Damn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂"
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It’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc.
I also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide
I will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations."
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It's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat.
Best case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy."
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York, PA is not rural.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast."
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The city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural."
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Theists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches."
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That sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA.
And yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere."
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At least they didn't kill the dog
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book."
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Honestly - that poor fucking dog.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog"
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Finally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved
Thank you for all the kind words and support!
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog."
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That’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!"
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Awwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!"
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well at least you see the bright side
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO."
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Very hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side"
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She was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a "hell on earth" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome.
I was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do.
I can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.
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"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations."
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Interesting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize."
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I imagined it was along the lines of Sylvia Plath talking about slitting your wrists with the lights off. It makes it easier to do.
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[
"Daughter was suffering from hallucinations and delusions, had decided to commit suicide. Mother decided she couldn’t let her daughter die alone, so decided to die with her daughter. Father decided he couldn’t live without his family. So they all died together. Very sad case, though a testament for the need for proper mental healthcare. If the daughter had been properly treated, three lives would have been saved.",
">\n\nDeeply tragic story every which way. We keep talking about the need for greater access to mental health services but it is well past time for more to be done.",
">\n\nAs someone who works in mental health. The services are there. We can’t make people reach out and the ones that do often just give up on treatment. It’s not a cut and dry issue.",
">\n\nObviously every jurisdiction is going to be different, however in your jurisdiction if you've got a guy in jail for domestic violence, what's the typical amount of individual one-on-one counselling (from someone who is licensed to provide psychological services to the public) will he get while incarcerated?",
">\n\nTo be perfectly honest they have pretty regular access to mental health care services in prison. It’s a controlled environment where their day is planned.",
">\n\nSee, I'm a lawyer and I love it when people say \"regular\". Because 1 hour per year on January 1st is regular. And I certainly agree that it would be *easy* to provide them with time because they're in a controlled environment where there day is planned. But in American jails those kind of proper individual therapy services are rare and skimpy where they exist.",
">\n\n1 hour per year in January first is annual, not regular, from a medical perspective. Regular check-ups, those are gonna be every 3 months. When you talk specifically about mental health services a stable individual is going to be seen every 3 months. Unstable, every week to monthly until stabilized. Inmates on meds have to go get their meds daily and have a mini-assessment then too.",
">\n\nOnce again, use of language. A \"check-up\" as defined by the dictionary, as \"a medical examination to test your general state of health\". It is not treatment. It is not attempting to fix, or help, or cure, it is a verification of status. Also, a check-up could be a 5 minute thing. Lets say a guy beat his gf until she had a fractured skull and he got a 5 year sentence. He's going to receive 20 \"check ups\" as the totality of his mental health care (assuming no meds, and he is stable). So in that five years, how many hours of a proper one-on-one-psychologist-trying-to-help-this-guy-come-out-of-jail-and-not-beat-women time is this dude going to get?",
">\n\nSo instead of getting her daughter help the mom decided fuck it I'll go too? And the dad was like \"well it'll suck not having my family around, guess I'm out too\"? Really sounds like that whole family needed a whole lot of help.",
">\n\nIt’s so bizarre. At the end of the article it says both the parents were ministers and the whole family had made the decision to withdraw from their community. Like what the hell was happening there?",
">\n\nI’m Christian and I don’t see myself attending church again after these past few years. I see all these Christians forcing their religion and views on the nation and making hateful tone deaf comments, it’s really leaves a bad taste in your mouth. \nOr they could’ve gone the other way and their views were much more strict / radical so they did their own services at home. \nMental illness can also be very isolating.",
">\n\nI work with a guy who goes to church a lot, wears a cross necklace, Jesus bracelet, good southern man as these type like to portray themselves. We saw a guy OD in his car last week, medics and cops showed up as we were leaving… he says “I don’t know why they bother saving these people”. I’ve heard people say this shit before and usually their best answer is something about the cost of narcan",
">\n\nIt’s all so performative.",
">\n\nWell that’s the saddest shit I’ve read today.",
">\n\nStop reading now :-(",
">\n\nThey didn't kill the dog if y'all were wondering, and the earpro was for the gunshot to themselves I guess? But if you're killing yourselves, what's the point of protecting your ears?\n\nBut the suicide pact itself was solidly planned, with police telling the outlet that there were specific instructions for the family dog to be taken care of, and the dog had been drugged so that it would not bite first responders, CBS21 reported. The family was also wearing ear protection, which could have blocked the sound of the gunshots\n\nIt seems like all 3 were in on it so IDK why it's a murder-suicide\n\nThe York County Coroner’s office ruled the parents’ deaths homicides, and the daughter’s death a suicide.",
">\n\nSeems to allude that the daughter shot all three thus the murder suicide. I guess even with consent they're still treating it as murder? Dunno the specifics on how that'd work.",
">\n\nyet the article clearly states they dont know who shot whom.\n\nOfficials have not determined who shot the parents and the sequence of the shootings. According to the York County Coroner’s office, all three died from gunshot wounds to the head.",
">\n\nThe article also clarifies that the coroner's office labeled the parents' deaths as homicides, not the police investigating.\nSounds like the coroner's best guess is that the daughter actually pulled the trigger (and that coroner's report is publicly available, hence the article having multiple references to it), but the case is still open and the police are not making any definitive statements until they finish their investigation.",
">\n\nI’ve tried to off myself and couldn’t imagine taking my parents out before I did it. I wouldn’t want that to be the last thing I saw before checking out. \nSuch a fucked up and unusual situation.",
">\n\nWhen someone is suffering from intense delusions, they might believe and feel they're sending their parents directly to heaven as an act of kindness",
">\n\nIYDRTA: The dog is ok for now. it was drugged by the family so it wouldn't attack first responders.\nWeird, tragic story, but I hope the dog at least finds a good home.",
">\n\nJust so sad and must be so frightening for the dog who went to sleep w its family and then come to with everything and everyone gone",
">\n\nThis is why when my depression got bad enough for me to actually start making plans to off myself, I got a cat. I knew how upset he'd be if I disappeared. He'd be confused. Somehow I could rationalize any person I knew being better off without me, but I was the center of my cat's world. There was no way he could be happy if I died, so I stayed alive for him.\nI am doing much better now! I can always find at least one or two reasons to see tomorrow, and that is enough.",
">\n\nOmg Same!!! 180 headspace now but back then it was too easy of a thought on how easy it would be to pill yourself to eternally sleep. The cold water imagery that would snap me out of it was imagining my cat trying to wake me up (licking my nose or trying to nudge me etc). I think its a strong choice of self to decide your time but its strong choice of self to make it another day for love. Life is short but eternity is forever so ive learned to see the gift the life. To mental health and pets 🥂",
">\n\nDamn. Must've been a close family. It's a shame they didn't seek help for her paranoia and hallucinations.",
">\n\nIt’s sad but the religious community used to be the source for mental healthcare but it hasn’t been for sometime. Sounds like her parents were religious nut jobs and couldn’t accept her mental illness as some sort of neurological disorder and may have had some distrust of the help that would be available. So instead of getting their child care they may have double downed on the religion which sounds like a nightmare for their poor daughter who was experiencing hallucinations etc. \nI also find the suicides ironic bc as far as I’m aware the Christian communities look down strongly on and even condemn those who unfortunately commit suicide\nI will also note schizophrenia is strongly hereditary so there’s a good likelihood one of the parents had it or one of the grandparents. Sounds like an unfortunate tragedy.",
">\n\nIt's very common in rural PA for religious people to use their churches for mental health care, still. It's not a great solution depending on the church, you're probably just gonna sit with the pastor while they try and tackle an issue they have literally no qualifications to treat. \nBest case, the church in question believes in modern medicine and mental healthcare and encourages you to utilize therapy in addition to church counseling services - worst case you're being called a godless heathen for going through post partum depression or something. I know women who've ended up kind of 'marrying' into some of these weird little appalachian churches and it's a total shitshow. PA goes from northeast megalopolis to snake dancing for christ real fast.",
">\n\nYork, PA is not rural.",
">\n\nThe city of York is not - how does that negate my point if you can drive 10 minutes outside of York and straight up hit amish country or truly rural areas - that's true for most cities in the state outside of Philly and Pittsburgh that have extensive trailing suburbs, and there are hyper religious groups in the suburbs around those areas too, I'm just speaking of my own personal experience with small mountain churches.",
">\n\nTheists turn to clueless clergy everywhere in the nation; it's not limited to rural Pennsylvania. Why would a church in an urban area be any better equipped to treat mental illness? It's the same bible filled with the same nonsense everywhere.",
">\n\nThat sounds like a vast oversimplificiation of a large issue, but ok - there's nothing I said to imply this is limited to rural PA, this is a story based in central PA(which is kind of a weird religious make up, itself, if you know anything about the area) which is why I brought up my personal experiences with PA. \nAnd yah, idk, I'm not religious but there's a huge difference between evangelicals and like...quakers...like to the point where they might as well not be the same religion - but it's still the same book.",
">\n\nAt least they didn't kill the dog",
">\n\nHonestly - that poor fucking dog.",
">\n\nFinally scheduled an appointment for first time therapy today. Take your mental health seriously you are loved\nThank you for all the kind words and support!",
">\n\nThat’s awesome! Fair warning, therapists aren’t one fits all. If you don’t like one, find another, don’t quit!",
">\n\nAwwe, but they gave their dog drugs to keep him from getting shot by first responders and left instructions for his care! That's pretty amazing IMO.",
">\n\nwell at least you see the bright side",
">\n\nVery hard to read this story. I have an uncle who took his own life, but this is on another level. I can’t understand the parents in this situation, as a parent myself, it is not within me to see death to this extent as an answer to a problem in this context. There’s a million questions, but ultimately this is a sign that people/companies need to talk about mental health way more and have more professional medical support. You can get a cough looked at, but if you say your depressed most doctors roll their eyes. If you feel like life is too much to bear, ask for help, there is no shame in feeling hopeless, powerless or depressed. You can talk to me if you want. We as a society need to make it less taboo, be there for each other and have that dialogue as acceptable in our daily conversations.",
">\n\nShe was hallucinating and deluded, clearly a state of psychosis. That is a powerful combo for a \"hell on earth\" sort of feeling. Struggling with that for months or years leads lots of people to suicide. The thing here is that she was truthful to her parents about her intentions and they agreed that after watching her suffer for a long time that it was the best outcome. \nI was close to this point myself a few times with delusions before, but I didn't tell anyone and managed to get through it, mostly through drinking myself numb. Even with medication, which most people think fully treats these disorders, the meds don't always work all the way, sometimes dulling the psychosis is all you can do. \nI can see how the parents reached that conclusion. I'm not thrilled about it, but I empathize.",
">\n\nInteresting choice to wear ear protection while you’re all committing suicide together."
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